Article (The Aust) : Underage footy sex preying alleged

[-alex-]

I really dont think footy players are stupid enough to purposely have sex with underage girls. Footy players are sleazy but its easy enough to say no.

Jorgie- I think they are that stupid. Of course they know how old the girls are. They know they can have pretty much anyone who throws themselves at them and they will take advantage of that.

Why are they victims? They have consented. They were not raped.

They are not victims of anything but their own ignorance. I may come across as unsympathetic but i do not feel sorry for them for hooking up with a player. I do feel sorry that they truly believe these players will "date" them afterwards.

I agree with this 100% The girls are just as stupid as the guys in this scenario. They have delusions of being a footballers girlfriend, when most of the time all the guy wants is a root and boot. And deep down I am pretty sure these girls know that is all they are going to be, but at crunch time cant hack being rejected once he has gotten what he wants from her.

 

[purpleskittles]

The perpetrator's first objective is to gain control of the victim so the rape can be completed. Some strategies are physical violence, threatening violence, scare-tactics and the use of alcohol or other drugs. Another strategy is that the perpetrator first attempts to gain the victim's trust and create a situation she can not get out of. Strategies vary, depending on the situation, the relationship between perpetrator and victim as well as on the perpetrator's intent.
All investigations clearly show that women who have been raped tended to avoid to resist. This is true for both marital and stranger rapes. No resistance is presumed to be the best defense, but the lack of resistance could be held against the victim later in court. Research in this area points to two things:

• Attempts by the woman to defend herself against aggression and rape in her own home are seldom successful. Physical resistance is also rare within a marriage.
• To actively defend oneself and physically and verbally resist the perpetrator decrease the risk for completed rape by a stranger. By and large, the risk for injuries does not appear to be higher because the woman resisted, even if the common belief is that it is "safest" not to resist. Traditionally, women learn that no resistance is the best strategy in a rape situation. However, there are two obvious problems with this viewpoint. First, the non-resistance may be used against them in court; and, second, new research shows that women who physically resist an assault by a stranger have a good chance to avoid being raped.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/sex-rape-effects.htm

I attended 5 seminars held by a leading Raped detective in Aus/Nz and he had profiled hundred of ******s and a common factor amongst them all he said was that ******'s bothered less with women who fought back because when she fought back - it made things take longer and also it bought attention to what was happening thus increasing the risk of getting caught.

 

[bLaQDoG..]

Agreed



This is not about consent and enjoying group sex. It only becomes a "story" when people come out saying that they got into a situation where they felt threatened into it.

Wrong.

It only becomes a "story" when footballers are involved.

Why are the thousands of other cases not brought up in the media - yet, all these incidents are collectively associated with the NRL?

 

[Nexus]

The perpetrator's first objective is to gain control of the victim so the rape can be completed. Some strategies are physical violence, threatening violence, scare-tactics and the use of alcohol or other drugs. Another strategy is that the perpetrator first attempts to gain the victim's trust and create a situation she can not get out of. Strategies vary, depending on the situation, the relationship between perpetrator and victim as well as on the perpetrator's intent.
All investigations clearly show that women who have been raped tended to avoid to resist. This is true for both marital and stranger rapes. No resistance is presumed to be the best defense, but the lack of resistance could be held against the victim later in court. Research in this area points to two things:

• Attempts by the woman to defend herself against aggression and rape in her own home are seldom successful. Physical resistance is also rare within a marriage.
• To actively defend oneself and physically and verbally resist the perpetrator decrease the risk for completed rape by a stranger. By and large, the risk for injuries does not appear to be higher because the woman resisted, even if the common belief is that it is "safest" not to resist. Traditionally, women learn that no resistance is the best strategy in a rape situation. However, there are two obvious problems with this viewpoint. First, the non-resistance may be used against them in court; and, second, new research shows that women who physically resist an assault by a stranger have a good chance to avoid being raped.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/sex-rape-effects.htm

I stopped reading after the first line.. do you know why??

Because she wasnt f%^king raped. And you are also insinuating that if she said No, they would have raped her. Thats a mighty big assumption you are making there.

 

[DJ1]

I stopped reading after the first line.. do you know why??

Ignorance is bliss?

Because she wasnt f%^king raped. And you are also insinuating that if she said No, they would have raped her. Thats a mighty big assumption you are making there.

I'm not making that assumption at all.

The emotional trauma which this girl displayed is obviously condusive to a non consensual situation. Much of the trauma is actually directed inwards. "Why didn't I get up and walk out?". "Why did I lie there whilst they did that to me?"

This apparent trauma is identical to that experienced by rape victims. The emotional scarring is the same.

Are you suggesting that this womans emotional trauma was non-existent?

 

[mofo sixx]

this piece of Mutton wishes she was underage

she needs to give up the Ronnie Cooting and go get a job @ Arnotts making Gorilla biscuits

 

[DJ1]

I attended 5 seminars held by a leading Raped detective in Aus/Nz and he had profiled hundred of ******s and a common factor amongst them all he said was that ******'s bothered less with women who fought back because when she fought back - it made things take longer and also it bought attention to what was happening thus increasing the risk of getting caught.

and during your 5 seminars, was the topic of the rationale and psychology of failure to fight back from the victims perspective discussed? How many of these situations go unreported each year due to the stigma attached?

 

[Nexus]

Ignorance is bliss?



I'm not making that assumption at all.

The emotional trauma which this girl displayed is obviously condusive to a non consensual situation. Much of the trauma is actually directed inwards. "Why didn't I get up and walk out?". "Why did I lie there whilst they did that to me?"

This apparent trauma is identical to that experienced by rape victims. The emotional scarring is the same.

Are you suggesting that this womans emotional trauma was non-existent?

The trauma is the exact same experienced by rape victims?? Oh FFS.

I am suggesting she had regret, but thats about it. I dont believe it keeps her up at night.

You can try and compare this to rape all you want but you are deadset clutching at straws.

But hey thats society today isnt it, no one is responsible for their own actions anymore, its always someone elses fault.

 

[DJ1]

The effect on a victim of rape is the same if they kick and scream as opposed to simply lying there in shock and not resisting.

The post-traumatic effects on this girl clearly indicate that this was a consensual situation which got out of hand and became a non-consensual situation (regardless of the expression of communication of non consent). The culture of sweeping these issues under the carpet and even normalising them is clearly wrong.

 

[B-Train]

The effect on a victim of rape is the same if they kick and scream as opposed to simply lying there in shock and not resisting.

The post-traumatic effects on this girl clearly indicate that this was a consensual situation which got out of hand and became a non-consensual situation (regardless of the expression of communication of non consent). The culture of sweeping these issues under the carpet and even normalising them is clearly wrong.

"Clearly indicate"?

Well I'm glad we got that sorted then.

How does this "clearly indicate" and how can you definitively say anything?

Obviously you have your opinion and you are entitled to it. In this instance I and many others disagree. But please don't try and pass of any fo what you are saying as fact.

 

[DJ1]

"Clearly indicate"?

She has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress syndrome with 3 clinically reported suicide attempts. That's a reasonably clear indication for me.

 

[B-Train]

She has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress syndrome. That's a reasonably clear indication for me.

One's diagnosis doesn't make it fact. I'm sure many other specialists would have other theories/diagnosis.

Conversely you could also get a doctor/pshycologist to diagnose some of the players with some such condition.

The amount of "bi=polar" or players with "depression" after they get caught doing something wrong is alarming. All a bit too convenient.

Again, people are responsible for their own actions. She has "post traumatic stress syndrome" according to you.

"Post" being the operative word.

All that diagnosis means is that she now fixates on that event in her head and suffers accordingly. In my mind it is because she regrets the terrible situation she got herself into and wishes it never happened.

 

[B-Train]

She has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress syndrome with 3 clinically reported suicide attempts. That's a reasonably clear indication for me.

One could gamble away their life savings and want to kill themselves.

That doesn't mean that the government, TAB, society was to blame. Or that their friend/family was.

If they had PTS would that be a "clear indication" that society was to blame because it peddles gambling in a myriad of ways?

 

[DJ1]

In a nutshell,

There is far more evidence that she has post-traumatic stress disorder than your theory that she hasn't evidenced by your hypothesis that there may be someone out there somewhere on the planet that may give a different diagnosis.

Your repeated attempts to negate the emotional trauma that this person is going through deflection of the issue doesn't change what she is feeling and dealing with on an emotional level.

 

[Spot]

In a nutshell,

There is far more evidence that she has post-traumatic stress disorder than your theory that she hasn't evidenced by your hypothesis that there may be someone out there somewhere on the planet that may give a different diagnosis.

Your repeated attempts to negate the emotional trauma that this person is going through deflection of the issue doesn't change what she is feeling and dealing with on an emotional level.

You're a good man DJ1. How you can stay calm and rational amid this bombardment of hearsay, guesswork and supposition is beyond me. Its attitudes expressed by some in this forum that permeate through league and leads to players having no guilt or remorse for victims of some of their atrocities. They and many on here honestly can't see anything wrong with their actions and wonder what all the fuss is about. Thats the saddest part of all of this.

 

[DJ1]

One could gamble away their life savings and want to kill themselves.

That doesn't mean that the government, TAB, society was to blame. Or that their friend/family was.

If they had PTS would that be a "clear indication" that society was to blame because it peddles gambling in a myriad of ways?

Wanting to kill yourself is not the same as being diagnosed with PTS. Not all PTS sufferers are suicidal. Now this is a crap analogy.

 

[B-Train]

Your repeated attempts to negate the emotional trauma that this person is going through deflection of the issue doesn't change what she is feeling and dealing with on an emotional level.

I suppose you failed to read this DJ?

All that diagnosis means is that she now fixates on that event in her head and suffers accordingly. In my mind it is because she regrets the terrible situation she got herself into and wishes it never happened.

I acknowledged that she is suffering mentally. That much is obvious. Call it trauma, guilt, remorse, post traumatic stress disorder, whatever.

I'm not negating that and never have. Please don't put words in my mouth and avoid what I am really saying.

You seem completely unwilling to listen to anyone's side of the argument other than your own so I will no longer bother discussing this with you.

 

[DJ1]

You're a good man DJ1. How you can stay calm and rational amid this bombardment of hearsay, guesswork and supposition is beyond me.

If I don't, Berries will ban me.

 

[B-Train]

Wanting to kill yourself is not the same as being diagnosed with PTS. Not all PTS sufferers are suicidal. Now this is a crap analogy.

Crap analogy? You're the one who brought that up! Take a look DJ!

She has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress syndrome with 3 clinically reported suicide attempts. That's a reasonably clear indication for me.

Now you are all over the place, trying to refute what I'm saying and in the process refuting what you said yourself.

 

[DJ1]

I suppose you failed to read this DJ?

I acknowledged that she is suffering mentally. That much is obvious. Call it trauma, guilt, remorse, post traumatic stress disorder, whatever.

I'm not negating that and never have. Please don't put words in my mouth and avoid what I am really saying.

You seem completely unwilling to listen to anyone's side of the argument other than your own so I will no longer bother discussing this with you.

Apologies if you feel that I have not understood you. That is not my intent.