Article (The Aust) : Underage footy sex preying alleged

[bLaQDoG..]

This stuff doesn't just happen with FOOTBALLERS FFS!!!!

It's a male thing. Men can be dirty sleazebags - get the fk over it and stop bringing the name of this sport down!

I have heard countless stories from mates and people I know who have had group sex with women.

And even from the womens perspective - I know women who have had countless group sex sessions with men. Up to 12 men at a time. She loved it too. Don't give me this bullcrap.

This is an overhyped story - I can't believe ABC have made a story out of this. Get ****ed.

 

[purpleskittles]

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the culture. Why is she the one being put forward as the spokesperson? If the culture was heading in the right direction the spokesperson (in public perception) would be a far better example.

The culture or the media? As they are the ones who seek her as the spokesperson. The media are seeking a woman who basically does what they are tying to stop. You use the serial killer analogy. Well you don't get a serial killer to preach about why its bad to kill and why it should be stopped.

Why? She is entitled to talk about this issue as are we. It is the inaction to address the cultural problem that has put her forward as the spokesperson.

She is entitled to talk about it - but for someone who willingingly seeks it out, its a bit hard to criticise the culture isn't it? A tad hypocritical? Like me trashing footballers in one breath for sleeping around, then screwing 10 of them!

You only have to look at sports forums to see a great motivator for people not to come forward. Anyone who does come out a tell a sordid story about a "celebrity" (insert sport here) player, is trashed, called a slut, skrag etc. There is a phenominal amout of pressure "not" to come forward.

Well if you do not want to come forward and put a potential ****** behind bars - then shut up, because its all your word against his, and reputations are tarnished even though nothing is proven. Is that fair on an innocent player? (if they are innocent). I have had a friend raped, and i have had friends (wrongly) accused of rape - and on both sides, lives are destroyed. So unless these women are willing to stand up and take concrete action then i believe they should honestly shut up - because it's nothing more then empty accusations until its properly investigated.

We are not talking about a consensual one on one event here are we? We are talking about the right to say "no" at any point in an encounter and people being put into emotionally threatening situations where they may have given consent to a point of one or two, then found themselves in a room full of people who climbed in the bathroom window.

Each situation has been different - i have only heard of the one occasion when there were 6+ people in the room and that was the Matty johns scandal. The girls can attempt to leave at anytime they want. They can say no anytime they want. If it then becomes a struggle - it is rape, but fact is as long as she continues for whatever reasons and makes no attempt to leave or stop it - in the eyes of the law it is still consensual.

 

[bLaQDoG..]

DJ1 I have met this Charmyne Palavi girl. Many words come to mind when I think of her, but rape victim is not two of them. Trust me on this one. This girl has been f*cking players since the 80s my friend.....

Oh SNAP!

Game, set and match.

 

[Your Mum]

And where was the part where she said, "I did not give consent to that". It's easy - if people start coming in, you pull your pants up, and you leave. It's as simple as that. The girl is 19, yes she is young, but she's not mentally retarded.

wouldnt that be anybody's reaction?

This girl is using the excuse that she wasnt out at a club or drunk that she was at work waitressing dressed in a tshirt and 3/4 pants.

I know a girl who was in the exact situation many years ago when she was 18or 19 and she was prepositioned and hassled by two famous football players and she did not go back to their room and told them where to go.

unless the girl is mentally retarded and the player knew that, i dont see how she was taken advantage of.

 

[DJ1]

Did she at any time say no or stop? Not from what ive seen or heard.

At what point does the initial consent become null and void? If Im with a woman, does that mean i should get consent before foreplay, then ask for consent again before having sex and then should I ask for it again if I want to cuddle afterwards?? No, because that is borderline ridiculous. I would assume all was ok unless the woman said no or asked me to stop. (as would everyone) If i kept going after that .. then i would be in hot water.

It is the predatory behaviour created by the situation. If your mate picks up, do you generally walk into the bedroom where they are "having relations" and begin masturbating?

Unfortunately, many women will not know how to effectively communicate their dissent when suddenly faced with 10 masturbating drunks whilst having consensual sex with their selected partner(s).

 

[doctr]

When will this be let go?? She must be making a killing with all the money theyre paying her to talk ****

 

[B-Train]

Unfortunately, many women will not know how to effectively communicate their dissent when suddenly faced with 10 masturbating drunks whilst having consensual sex with their selected partner(s).

So instead she will willingly engage in group sex with a great deal of men not complaining once during or stopping? Please.

 

[Nexus]

This is not about completely consensual group sex. This is about a culture where what begins as consensual sex becomes a coersively threatening non consensual situation.

Why did the 10 others magically appear in the room where consensual sex was occurring? Because it is the done thing.

Culture .. oh please, like footballers only do this thing.

Why they mgically appeared, i dont know. Personally it is not my thing, and if I were the player, I would have told them to get lost, however people have weird fetishes.

so 10 others show up, she sees them and the next choice she made was her defining one. She had every opportunity then and there to get up and go, she didnt, so it obviously didnt bother her that much despite what she says 7 years on. Actions speak louder then words, and its our actions that define us.

 

[PigBenis]

Give it up Dj1. deadset

 

[DJ1]

This stuff doesn't just happen with FOOTBALLERS FFS!!!!

Agreed

I have heard countless stories from mates and people I know who have had group sex with women.

And even from the womens perspective - I know women who have had countless group sex sessions with men. Up to 12 men at a time. She loved it too. Don't give me this bullcrap.

This is an overhyped story - I can't believe ABC have made a story out of this. Get ****ed.

This is not about consent and enjoying group sex. It only becomes a "story" when people come out saying that they got into a situation where they felt threatened into it.

 

[Nexus]

It is the predatory behaviour created by the situation. If your mate picks up, do you generally walk into the bedroom where they are "having relations" and begin masturbating?

Unfortunately, many women will not know how to effectively communicate their dissent when suddenly faced with 10 masturbating drunks whilst having consensual sex with their selected partner(s).

No i dont walk into the room my mate is in with a woman and start masturbating. As i said, thats not my thing or wouldnt be my mates thing. But there are alot of guys out there with weird fetishes that would. Alot of people get off on it (which hundred of thousands of pornos can back up) To me its a bit weird and gross, but its not illegal.

What do you mean many women will not know how to effectivly communicate etc etc ... What study did you read this from, cause it aint no study I have heard before. Me thinks you just made that up.

 

[Just Me]

Culture .. oh please, like footballers only do this thing.

Why they mgically appeared, i dont know. Personally it is not my thing, and if I were the player, I would have told them to get lost, however people have weird fetishes.

so 10 others show up, she sees them and the next choice she made was her defining one. She had every opportunity then and there to get up and go, she didnt, so it obviously didnt bother her that much despite what she says 7 years on. Actions speak louder then words, and its our actions that define us.

Exactly. I'm sure we have ALL made silly silly mistakes, I'm not talking just about people who we go to bed with, but mistakes in general - some of them we regret miserably. Do you see us blaming others? Nope. Coz at the end of the day, we are the only ones who can be blamed for our actions!!!

 

[DJ1]

The culture or the media? As they are the ones who seek her as the spokesperson. The media are seeking a woman who basically does what they are tying to stop. You use the serial killer analogy. Well you don't get a serial killer to preach about why its bad to kill and why it should be stopped.

The media will grasp onto any spokesperson they can. Unfortunately a lack of leadership by the NRL in this area has resulted in them not being the spokesperson.

She is entitled to talk about it - but for someone who willingingly seeks it out, its a bit hard to criticise the culture isn't it? A tad hypocritical? Like me trashing footballers in one breath for sleeping around, then screwing 10 of them!

Definitely hypocritical. That doesn't excuse the issue with the culture.

Well if you do not want to come forward and put a potential ****** behind bars - then shut up, because its all your word against his, and reputations are tarnished even though nothing is proven. Is that fair on an innocent player? (if they are innocent). I have had a friend raped, and i have had friends (wrongly) accused of rape - and on both sides, lives are destroyed. So unless these women are willing to stand up and take concrete action then i believe they should honestly shut up - because it's nothing more then empty accusations until its properly investigated.

And yet rape still occurs and is unreported every day.

Each situation has been different - i have only heard of the one occasion when there were 6+ people in the room and that was the Matty johns scandal. The girls can attempt to leave at anytime they want. They can say no anytime they want. If it then becomes a struggle - it is rape, but fact is as long as she continues for whatever reasons and makes no attempt to leave or stop it - in the eyes of the law it is still consensual.

The disturbing trend in these repeated scenarios is the reaction of the players. If a player picks up a woman and is engaged in consensual sex and suddenly 10 of his team mates appear around the bed masturbating, what does he do?

Does he say "Get the **** out of here you guys. I want some privacy."

No?

Why not?

It indicates that this is a normal and potentially regular behaviour.

 

[Just Me]

No i dont walk into the room my mate is in with a woman and start masturbating. As i said, thats not my thing or wouldnt be my mates thing. But there are alot of guys out there with weird fetishes that would. Alot of people get off on it (which hundred of thousands of pornos can back up) To me its a bit weird and gross, but its not illegal.

What do you mean many women will not know how to effectivly communicate etc etc ... What study did you read this from, cause it aint no study I have heard before. Me thinks you just made that up.

Exactly. A guy I work with was telling us just the other week about this guy we work with who went home with some girl he had just met. They were getting it on in the lounge room, when the girls flatmate came in, with his wang out masturbating. She slapped the flatmates wang away, told him to f*ck off and that was it. Simple.

 

[DJ1]

So instead she will willingly engage in group sex with a great deal of men not complaining once during or stopping? Please.

Emotional trauma commonly has that result. Fact!

 

[DJ1]

Culture .. oh please, like footballers only do this thing.

Why they mgically appeared, i dont know. Personally it is not my thing, and if I were the player, I would have told them to get lost, however people have weird fetishes.

so 10 others show up, she sees them and the next choice she made was her defining one. She had every opportunity then and there to get up and go, she didnt, so it obviously didnt bother her that much despite what she says 7 years on. Actions speak louder then words, and its our actions that define us.

And the actions of the initial player(s) who were having consensual sex indicates that having 10 maturbating teammates suddenly appear is completely normal behaviour.

That is the issue with the culture in respect to women.

 

[purpleskittles]

The media will grasp onto any spokesperson they can. Unfortunately a lack of leadership by the NRL in this area has resulted in them not being the spokesperson.




Definitely hypocritical. That doesn't excuse the issue with the culture.



And yet rape still occurs and is unreported every day.



Each situation has been different - i have only heard of the one occasion when there were 6+ people in the room and that was the Matty johns scandal. The girls can attempt to leave at anytime they want. They can say no anytime they want. If it then becomes a struggle - it is rape, but fact is as long as she continues for whatever reasons and makes no attempt to leave or stop it - in the eyes of the law it is still consensual.

[/QUOTE]


The culture is in society - not just the NRL. It happens every week in society - are we only blowing up the issue of group sex because they are footy players and some girls feel regretful later?

Yes rapes occur everyday and are unreported, but we should be pushing for these women to report them to the correct authorities when they occur. Not run to a media outlets months, years after it occurs.

Does not matter how much the NRL try and "clean" up this culture fact is - it will always exist because it's not limited to the NRL or sport for that matter. What they also need to be doing is pushing the women to come forward when it happens.

I am not saying i agree with 10 people walking in to masturbate while two others have sex - but it isn't illegal. Not until the girl actually says no or attempts to leave.

Regret is not the same an non-consensual.

 

[DJ1]

What do you mean many women will not know how to effectivly communicate etc etc ... What study did you read this from, cause it aint no study I have heard before. Me thinks you just made that up.

The perpetrator's first objective is to gain control of the victim so the rape can be completed. Some strategies are physical violence, threatening violence, scare-tactics and the use of alcohol or other drugs. Another strategy is that the perpetrator first attempts to gain the victim's trust and create a situation she can not get out of. Strategies vary, depending on the situation, the relationship between perpetrator and victim as well as on the perpetrator's intent.
All investigations clearly show that women who have been raped tended to avoid to resist. This is true for both marital and stranger rapes. No resistance is presumed to be the best defense, but the lack of resistance could be held against the victim later in court. Research in this area points to two things:

• Attempts by the woman to defend herself against aggression and rape in her own home are seldom successful. Physical resistance is also rare within a marriage.
• To actively defend oneself and physically and verbally resist the perpetrator decrease the risk for completed rape by a stranger. By and large, the risk for injuries does not appear to be higher because the woman resisted, even if the common belief is that it is "safest" not to resist. Traditionally, women learn that no resistance is the best strategy in a rape situation. However, there are two obvious problems with this viewpoint. First, the non-resistance may be used against them in court; and, second, new research shows that women who physically resist an assault by a stranger have a good chance to avoid being raped.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/sex-rape-effects.htm

 

[Slippery]

This chick should seriously shut her horse head up.

 

[B-Train]

Emotional trauma commonly has that result. Fact!

Emotional trauma?

Again, going by this logic, what about the "emotional trauma" of each of the players that engaged in this?

Why does every excuse get made for the woman but not the men?

You can't have it both ways.

You can't make one set of rules for women and not for men.

You can't say she suffered from this but they acted like predators.

Why is she not a predator and they aren't victims?

Could that argument not be made?

Again, everyone is responsible for their own actions. But if you want to use a certain argument or logic, at least be fair and apply it to both sides.