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Underage footy sex preying alleged

Caroline Overington | May 13, 2009
Article from: The Australian


NRL players invited underage girls to their homes so they could ply them with alcohol and have sex, said Charmyne Palavi, 39, who appeared in Monday's controversial Four Corners program.

The ABC report about degrading group sex rites among NRL players, which threatens the careers of some of the game's biggest names, attracted more than 1.01 million viewers.

It was far from Ms Palavi's first foray in the spotlight, as she has celebrated her romps with footballers in British newspapers and magazines, and appeared in a documentary about her sex life.

She went further in the interview with the ABC's Walkley-nominated Sarah Ferguson. In a part of the tape that didn't make it to air but is available on the ABC website, she said footballers invited girls who were too young for nightclubs to private homes for sex.

She said the girls, who hoped to be football girlfriends, were filmed on mobile phones having sex with half the team.

The report named The Footy Show's funnyman Matthew Johns and former teammate Brett Firman as participants in a group sex session with a 19-year-old girl in New Zealand in 2002.

Police investigated but no charges were laid.

Johns, who fled to Broome with his family this week, will meet Nine chief David Gyngell this morning to discuss his future.

NRL chief executive David Gallop said yesterday Johns's career was under "a massive question mark".

"He was part of our membership campaign," Mr Gallop said.

"That's finished now, but I'm aware that he'll be talking to his employers on various levels.

"Everyone involved in the game must accept that they need to change their attitudes towards women or find another job. Violence against women is abhorrent and sexual assault and the degradation of women is just that. So much of what we saw last night (on Four Corners) was fundamentally indefensible."

Social networking websites such as Twitter and Facebook were alive with the story yesterday, as was the ABC website.

One poster wrote: "A good friend of mine is an ex-rugby player and the stories are all true. The first guy leaves the door unlocked so the others can come on in and they all have their way with whatever naive girl they bring back."

But another poster said women prowled nightclubs looking for footballers to take to bed "one-on-one, two, three, whatever ... they are predatory go-getters, after the big catch, on the make. They are treated by these guys as badly as they allow themselves to be treated."

Mr Gallop said there was no space for "clubs and players to complain about the media or the fact that victims have spoken out".

NSW Opposition spokesman for women Pru Goward said women should go to court against footballers who abused them, "because otherwise, the ugliness of it all smears everyone".

"It's extraordinary after all these years of allegation that nobody has ever been charged," Ms Goward said.

Ms Palavi reached the peak of her fame last year, when the "Cougar of Coogee" told a British tabloid she had romped with England veteran Keith Senior.

She says she meets footballers in tanning salons, where she has worked, or in nightclubs and has been photographed embracing players, including Darren Lockyer and Greg Inglis.

Footballers send her videos of themselves masturbating.

She told the ABC she knew of a team "where they get 16 to 17-year-old girls over, because they can't get into nightclubs".

"There is one players' house that is the one place they come to," she said.

"They ply these girls with alcohol ... and they disappear into a room with boys."
 
lol as if you would believe what this ugly whore says
 
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lol as if you would believe what this ugly whore says

The "argument from personal incredulity" holds no water here. There is nothing in this report which you can say with certainty "That did not happen." If anything, it is completely believable. Your "ad hominem" attacks against this girl simply display your inability to effectively answer the challenge that this question raises.

I feel so sorry for these girls who put themselves into these situations where they are preyed on by these pricks. I have 3 daughters. This culture, which for too long has been swept under the carpet in virtually all sports, needs to change.

DJ
 
The "argument from personal incredulity" holds no water here. There is nothing in this report which you can say with certainty "That did not happen." If anything, it is completely believable. Your "ad hominem" attacks against this girl simply display your inability to effectively answer the challenge that this question raises.

I feel so sorry for these girls who put themselves into these situations where they are preyed on by these pricks. I have 3 daughters. This culture, which for too long has been swept under the carpet in virtually all sports, needs to change.

DJ

Werd !
 
The "argument from personal incredulity" holds no water here. There is nothing in this report which you can say with certainty "That did not happen." If anything, it is completely believable. Your "ad hominem" attacks against this girl simply display your inability to effectively answer the challenge that this question raises.

I feel so sorry for these girls who put themselves into these situations where they are preyed on by these pricks. I have 3 daughters. This culture, which for too long has been swept under the carpet in virtually all sports, needs to change.

DJ

I have 2 daughters, one 17 and one 15. The 17yo adores certain league players, one Benji Marshall in particular, much to my shame and disgust. (I feel like a failure as a parent). Anyway, my point being is that she's naive enough to believe that footballers are wholesome loving characters who wouldn't dream of doing anything disgusting. I can see how some impressionable young girls can get into these situations and am grateful sometimes that we live at Armidale and are far enough away from these influences.
 
I'm sorry, but if Ms Palavi was so concerned about these underage girls, why not go to the police???

And isn't Charmyne the same person who was f*cking a 12, sorry, a 17-18 year old herself, giving him loads of money, then he dumped her arse??? Do I smell revenge?
 
I really dont think footy players are stupid enough to purposely have sex with underage girls. Footy players are sleazy but its easy enough to say no.
 
Can I ask something?

Why is it that you guys constantly bring up the fact that you feel sorry for the girls because of the culture etc?

If a 17 year old junior League player (a young man) engaged in these same activities would you guys be saying "you feel sorry for these guys who out themselves in these sitautions" and harp on about "the culture"?

No, you wouldn't.

Why is it OK to feel sorry for the girl and not a player? Going by the logic you guys are using, is he too not a victim of this endemic "culture"? Is he also not a victim of "peer prssure" or wanting to fit in as part of the group?

Now I don't believe any of that and think everyone when they reach a certain age (lets say for arguments sake past 14), no matter how impressionable or naive they are is responsible for their own actions.

Again, why do you guys feel sorry for the girl and not the player or a young player when similar things happen? Did you guys feel sorry for Taumata for beating people up all of the time? Was that not part of "the culture"? Did you feel sorry for Dane Tilse? No? Why is that? Because they are responsible for their own actions and should know better.

So should these girls/women and they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
Can I ask something?

Why is it that you guys constantly bring up the fact that you feel sorry for the girls because of the culture etc?

If a 17 year old junior League player (a young man) engaged in these same activities would you guys be saying "you feel sorry for these guys who out themselves in these sitautions" and harp on about "the culture"?

No, you wouldn't.

Why is it OK to feel sorry for the girl and not a player? Going by the logic you guys are using, is he too not a victim of this endemic "culture"? Is he also not a victim of "peer prssure" or wanting to fit in as part of the group?

Now I don't believe any of that and think everyone when they reach a certain age (lets say for arguments sake past 14), no matter how impressionable or naive they are is responsible for their own actions.

Again, why do you guys feel sorry for the girl and not the player or a young player when similar things happen? Did you guys feel sorry for Taumata for beating people up all of the time? Was that not part of "the culture"? Did you feel sorry for Dane Tilse? No? Why is that? Because they are responsible for their own actions and should know better.

So should these girls/women and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Yeah im not getting it either and personally Im sick of the whole thing. It has been made out to be so much more complex then it actually is because people are looking to deep into things.
 
I'm sorry, but if Ms Palavi was so concerned about these underage girls, why not go to the police???

And isn't Charmyne the same person who was f*cking a 12, sorry, a 17-18 year old herself, giving him loads of money, then he dumped her arse??? Do I smell revenge?

The motive is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not a culture exists and is it being perpetuated or even encouraged by the system.

If a couple robs a bank and he later dumps his partner who then goes to the cops, do we say "the robbery didn't occur because her motive for telling us is revenge."?
 
I'm sorry, but if Ms Palavi was so concerned about these underage girls, why not go to the police???

And isn't Charmyne the same person who was f*cking a 12, sorry, a 17-18 year old herself, giving him loads of money, then he dumped her arse??? Do I smell revenge?

Not to mention she herself admitted to assisting in the hook ups of females and NRL players. So is she assisting them?

Also the players are preying on these girls - I think it would be safe to say, the players wouldn't be the girls first.
 
I really dont think footy players are stupid enough to purposely have sex with underage girls. Footy players are sleazy but its easy enough to say no.

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Still no response Captain. I think we lost her.
 
Not to mention she herself admitted to assisting in the hook ups of females and NRL players. So is she assisting them?

Also the players are preying on these girls - I think it would be safe to say, the players wouldn't be the girls first.

Exactly. I could have punched her when I saw the smugness in her face when she was boasting about the fact that she sleeps with them. Big sh1t - you're not curing cancer honey, you're spreading your legs.

And the cry of rape? Sorry, I don't buy it for a minute. If you got raped by an NRL Player, why would you continue sleeping with them?
 
Man I so wish I was a league player. I would be so into that.
 
Can I ask something?

Of course

Why is it that you guys constantly bring up the fact that you feel sorry for the girls because of the culture etc?

Due to the fact that an endemic culture perpetuates destructive behaviour resulting in victims on both sides of the equation.

If a 17 year old junior League player (a young man) engaged in these same activities would you guys be saying "you feel sorry for these guys who out themselves in these sitautions" and harp on about "the culture"?

I do feel sorry for all parties involved. The guys are a victim of the culture. The girls are a victim of what the culture produces.

No, you wouldn't.

I just did.

Why is it OK to feel sorry for the girl and not a player?

It's not. Similarly however, our society will tend to be more compassionate to the victim who has been done to as opposed to the doer. The victims of a serial killer will always garner more societal compassion than the killer themselves despite the victim having made a stupid decision to walk down that alley of their own free will and the serial killer themselves being a product of a sexually abused childhood.

Going by the logic you guys are using, is he too not a victim of this endemic "culture"? Is he also not a victim of "peer prssure" or wanting to fit in as part of the group?

Definitely. It still does not excuse predatory bahaviour.

Now I don't believe any of that and think everyone when they reach a certain age (lets say for arguments sake past 14), no matter how impressionable or naive they are is responsible for their own actions.

Cause and effect still has an effect.

Again, why do you guys feel sorry for the girl and not the player or a young player when similar things happen? Did you guys feel sorry for Taumata for beating people up all of the time? Was that not part of "the culture"? Did you feel sorry for Dane Tilse? No? Why is that? Because they are responsible for their own actions and should know better.

Not true

So should these girls/women and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Not true
 
Exactly. I could have punched her when I saw the smugness in her face when she was boasting about the fact that she sleeps with them. Big sh1t - you're not curing cancer honey, you're spreading your legs.

And the cry of rape? Sorry, I don't buy it for a minute. If you got raped by an NRL Player, why would you continue sleeping with them?

She is a glorified slut. They want to talk about cleaning up the league culture yet the spokesperson for it all is a lady who knowingly and willingly seeks players just too hook up with them. She should grow up and stop living in denial and go home and look after her kids.

Then she talks about how she wants to stop the culture and is speaking out about it for that reason. Well then report your rape - because one way to stop it happening again to someone else, would for someone to be charged.

The girls know what the players want - if they stupidly believe they will get more from it, is it the players faults? Not to mention, how many guys do this on a weekly basis at nightclubs? Sweet talk a chick, buy her a few drinks, take her home and never call again after that night. If you are going to get into bed with a guy straight off the bat - can you expect much from it? Really?
 
She is a glorified slut. They want to talk about cleaning up the league culture yet the spokesperson for it all is a lady who knowingly and willingly seeks players just too hook up with them. She should grow up and stop living in denial and go home and look after her kids.

Then she talks about how she wants to stop the culture and is speaking out about it for that reason. Well then report your rape - because one way to stop it happening again to someone else, would for someone to be charged.

The girls know what the players want - if they stupidly believe they will get more from it, is it the players faults? Not to mention, how many guys do this on a weekly basis at nightclubs? Sweet talk a chick, buy her a few drinks, take her home and never call again after that night. If you are going to get into bed with a guy straight off the bat - can you expect much from it? Really?

My sentiments exactly.
 
Not to mention she herself admitted to assisting in the hook ups of females and NRL players. So is she assisting them?

Doesn't change the effect on the victims.

Also the players are preying on these girls - I think it would be safe to say, the players wouldn't be the girls first.

Doesn't change the effect on the victims
 
And the cry of rape? Sorry, I don't buy it for a minute. If you got raped by an NRL Player, why would you continue sleeping with them?

I wouldn't matter how many people someone sleeps with prior to or after a rape. It is still a rape.
 
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