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    Opinion Connor Tracey what a gun!

    let’s play taaffe at fullback? :tearsofjoy: I really hope we don’t change unnecessarily. Tracey can slot in at wing or centre and still be effecting. But after 3 200m+ games in a row why change a spine position to accomodate taaffe? I always said it when he came over. This guy is the best...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    Tracey has run for 200+ meters the last 3-4 weeks. This wouldn’t be the week I’d put him at centre to accommodate Taaffe. With no king or Kiraz we do need some stability and meters. Tracey is a great winger too. But he is one of the many reasons we are doing so well this year. Safe at the back...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    One of my favourite players and he keeps on impressive me week in week out. This week I’m impressed with his Adam’s Apple. I’ve seen testicles half the size of that thing.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    The 17 named seems a little smoke and mirrors. Especially with Sua on the bench and Turpin in out of nowhere. I guess experience in these situations is good. But would be surprised if that is the 17. Hughes I doubt is risked with a bye next week and possibly close to 3 weeks from today to...
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    Burton discussion

    Prime tolman was a machine. But I think Des and his hardon for the way tolman rolled his ball between his legs ruined him. But when he first came over and the 3-4 years of his absolute prime for us he was averaging 35+ tackles and running 150m+ without missing a tackles. And also barely missed...
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    Official Bulldogs Unveil Harvey Norman Women’s Premiership Side

    Is he playing for the women’s after his suspension?
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    Kid has huge potential and is a big meter eater and try scorer. Just lacks elite level hands. Can spill a few you would t expect him to. But let’s see after a full off season and a few nrl trial games and almost a dozen reserve grade games under his belt. Hopefully he has a big game.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    This. They knew Kiraz was gone and critta was in origin. So no surprised they pulled Wilson and Sua from reserves.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 12 vs Dolphins @ Accor THU 22nd May 7.50pm

    Surely Underhill comes in. You’d want him to start. But I don’t think Cirro normally throws the young pups into the deep end. And starting a nrl game at prop on debut. That would be the toughest test possible. Crazy to think how decimated by injuries and suspensions we are. Luke smith I...
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    Next week team

    I wonder how Josh Jackson would go. I know he is 2 years removed from the game. But he should be ok for a 15 min off the bench? Not that it will ever happen. Wonder if a year or 2 off would help his body. He is still only 34. But yeh. More a hypothetical thing then anything.
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    Opinion Looking Ahead

    Belmore is a better place when we are up the top. Been through 7 years of dark days. So having an extended period in the #1 spot is always mad. As long as we are winning it will always be a good weekend for me 8-)
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    How do you rate …

    Seemed the only thing he could catch out there was blades of grass on his face. Dropped everything else, then does a circus trick one legged kick over the top. Wish Tracey tackled him haha but oh well. Definitely wasn’t the highest fantasy pointed player out there. 6 errors most from routine...
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    Opinion Bailey Hayward

    He is a great player and plays way bigger than his size. Almost like a more polished less brash Josh Reynolds. In saying that I don’t think he is a week in week out 7. Maybe a 6 with a dominant halves partner. But he wouldn’t work with Burton. Not a knock on the kid at all. I think his...
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    The Offical Reed Mahoney Appreciation Thread

    His concentration during games earlier this year was a bit poor. But to be fair had really come good after the 2 times he got subbed off. Hopefully if he gets an origin jersey he can really step up and lead us as the player he can be.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 11 vs Roosters @ Accor FRI 16th May 8pm

    Great to watch. But boggie23’s heart isn’t what it used to be :sweatsmile: especially having lived through Des ball and nose whistle interviews, pay ball and probably the worst of them all Barrett ball. You are right though. Fully fit Hayes could have been touch and go to make the team and run...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 11 vs Roosters @ Accor FRI 16th May 8pm

    I just looked at the stats after the game mark naquestrianigganate got the most fantasy points? Haha. That has to be a gee up. He dropped 16 kicks. Fair enough scored 2 tries but doubt he caught a bomb all night. Only ran for 133 too if you think maybe he just slayed it bringing the ball up so...
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    DSF HIA

    Funny thing is most serious concussions is from trying to tackle a player. If a player did what Spencer did on defence he most likely gets sinned binned. But it’s just the way the game is at the moment with ball in hand if you lower your centre of gravity you are able to use your shoulder to...
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    Score prediction/ man of the match/ crowd vs rorters

    Hopefully we can beat the raiders. Huge game for us. Then have the pooster then then I think we have something like 3 games in a month. So should help a few of the players that have some niggles freshen up.
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    Luke Smith

    His penis must just be veins and nothing else :tearsofjoy: haha.
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    The Bulldogs have fixed their flaws from 2024 - The Rugby League Eye Test

    Is there a 3 word summery for the. I started reading. Then realised it’s like 5 full pages of scrolling and got a head ache. Is it basically 2025 bulldogs better?
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    Your early 2025 SOO teams

    If he’s 18th man hope his phone is fully charged so he won’t need to drive 15 mins away to get a “charge” if you know what I mean :tearsofjoy:
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    News Why the Canterbury Bulldogs Being Top of the Ladder Is a Huge Win for the NRL

    Penrith make a suburb relevant. We make the game bigger. Like mentioned above. Any game of rugby league you watch. You’ll see dogs jerseys somewhere. North Queensland vs Canberra raiders, sharts vs Souths in Perth, Melbourne vs warriors in New Zealand. There will be a dozen random dogs fans...
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    News Why the Canterbury Bulldogs Being Top of the Ladder Is a Huge Win for the NRL

    When raiders haven’t sold out a 25k stadium for 30 year and the dogs roll into town (literally) and sell it out with 40% being dogs fans and you’d think the home team was on top in the second half with the cheering. That’s phenomenal. And that’s after 65k at Good Friday. Not that any team...
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    Opinion Bailey Hayward

    Knowing fetch he probably has money on it somewhere that he goes to Perth haha.
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    Opinion Bailey Hayward

    If reedy gets picked for origin do you think Bailey plays 80 at hooker? Might have been why he was getting some time there? Or possibly because Mahoney did something silly in the game. Either way. Hayward makes a handy 6/9/13 in the modern game. I think in a year or 2 he turns into a Mann type...
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    SIGN CIRO FOR LIFE

    I think maybe wait until the end of the season incase skeletor or flange senior become available? :p haha. Jokes. Not only an attractive looking man and no nose whistle when he talks. Looks like a people person and man manager like no other in the game. You can tell his experience and...
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    Opinion We need new halves

    Doing the wrong kicks to get the nfl scouts attention. If we go to Vegas next year and every kick even kicks for touch from penalties are torpedo punts then sure he is looking for a contract :p haha. But end over end kicks 5m out in the corner wouldn’t make any nfl scout raise an eyebrow.
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    Burton discussion

    If we had the luxury of a Munster or Cleary then absolutely he doesn’t hold a candle to them and play him at centre or lock or back row or wherever he fits in. But yeh. Not sure having a starting half paring of Hayward and Sexton will keep us in the top 4. Give him a few weeks. I’m sure his...
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    Burton discussion

    To be fair not his best game. But he’s had what 4-5 game this year? I think he needs a few more games to really get any sort of momentum. He is out of form. But in saying that his boot is reliable and generally lands 5 out in that corner and our kick chase led by kikau and our first 3 tackles...
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    Salmon injured

    Didn’t he grab him jersey after he score and say we are bulldogs or something :sweatsmile: I’m not good at lip reading though :p haha.
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    2025 Round 10 - Other Team Lists and Game Discussion

    They might come back to only concede 5 in the second half? After 6 in the first :p
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    2025 Round 10 - Other Team Lists and Game Discussion

    Tigers looking good for a top 8 hey……. Some things will never change. Death, taxes and tigers not making the 8 it seems :sweatsmile:
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    News 'He honestly just said, 'I'm the captain, boys, jump on my shoulders because I'll take ya''!

    Just needs to focus on his brain snaps and his concentration and game awareness. Dips in and out of games which has cost us at times. Just needs to do his job which is tackle and distribute and a big showing in the next fortnight could snag him a starting spot in origin and your hope that...
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    Official Ryan Sutton released immediately

    Is he even fit to play this year? Back to back ACLs you think his best form won’t come to the end of 2026. Silly signing for this year. Not that the titans have a shortage of forwards.
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    Kurtis Morrin appreciation

    Agree. Different beast coming on and tearing teams apart. Hopefully he isn’t injured. Unless once the momentum swung cirro stuck to what worked. Think we only had 6 interchanges the whole game.
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    Kurtis Morrin appreciation

    The quicker DSF is out of the team unfortunately the better. Not fit enough for NRL. Probably needs a solid month in reserves to work on his game, and bring his fitness up a little. We were just blessed Hayes came back on after his HIA. When Morrin and to a lesser extent Hayward came on you...
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    Official Ciraldo Discussion

    Flange senior pulling power with signings is far superior to Cirros :p Every washed up high money player picks Flange senior every time.
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    Ciraldo Presser vs Faders

    Seeing as it’s free coffee for a clean sheet. Surely the boys deserve a short black after that. But tell them to stop letting teams doing that. My heart isn’t what it used to be.
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    Kurtis Morrin appreciation

    Ran like a psychopath which is what we needed. Not that he was the only reason but was part of the momentum swing in the second half. Imagine giving him 15 more cm and 20 more kg would basically be Tony Williams. But not scared. Didn’t let anyone down today and rarely does when coming up...
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    60 Tackles !!

    Did the gayders make 1 tackle without holding a forearm to our players head when on the ground? Even when we scored they were coming in late :p
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    Salmon injured

    What’s the prognosis? To be fair. Not to be harsh. But fully fit its business as usual, we could cover him with the next man up. But with so many key forwards out it’s not the time to lose players. We were lucky Hayes came back on. I thought he was done for the night. But yeh. If Salmon is...
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    Is Critta the king of clutch?

    When nothing was happening or going our way he stood up and lead us to victory. Rarely do you see a player fire up when it’s 20-4 and you are down. But reminded me a bit of Cleary last week when he took it on himself. Then the belief just swung our way. He dismantled the raiders left edge...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 10 vs Raiders @ Canberra SAT 10th May 3pm

    Solomon looks like Stephen Hawkins haha.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 10 vs Raiders @ Canberra SAT 10th May 3pm

    Nice, thick, hard specimens :sweatsmile: They do also have thick necks too haha.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 10 vs Raiders @ Canberra SAT 10th May 3pm

    If you break it down we have 4 13s in the team, and then Hopoi who is a second rower but I know has been playing mins in the middle in reserves. Then Hayes who is a big thick human will be slotted at second row according to the team sheet? Unless something changes? Hayward starting makes...
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    Official Gus on Twitter

    Is that Ron Palmer haha. Wonder why there was no Rothfield. Maybe he was busy with NRL360 haha :p
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Dom Young free to leave roosters

    Definitely left for a nice big top up on what they were on. Probably same as kouparitsis :p All left as quick as they arrived when their form dipped though :p
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    Official Gus on Twitter

    I feel like not the first time he’s kissed Gus :tearsofjoy: you don’t get picked every week and be scared of the coach and the gm :tearsofjoy:
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Dom Young free to leave roosters

    Pretty sure mason, omeley and anasta were all dicked when their form dropped off. Shipped off at first chance. Caused like they were sliced bread and thrown out like dry crusts at the end.
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    Official Gus on Twitter

    Good to see Burton composed under pressure :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Dom Young free to leave roosters

    The roosters curse. Went hard for young and the cheese. Both out the door before end of their contract. Then went hard for David Fifita and he might be out the door at the titans very soon haha. Funny thing is when cheese signed he said how great the club was. How politis wowed him. How he...
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    Opinion Bulldogs team for origin

    If they want to fit in all the usual suspects and lose the series you’d think latrell, turbo and best would be in contention (if fit of course which is a big ask)? Hope not because critta deserves his spot. But I have a feeling Laureen will do something retarted. There is a massive fascination...
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    Luke Smith not named in NSW CUP

    More likely actually will be hopoi even though cirro didn’t really trust him last year. I’m sure he’d be more confident with giving him the 10-15 min role off the bench.
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    Luke Smith not named in NSW CUP

    To be completely fair don’t think he is ready for NRL. Unfortunately we will likely see a Hutchinson come in or maybe Taaffe. We are very light on forwards. Can see Mann or Hayward at 13 with Solomon at 12. So it could be a little 2-3 week cameo from show and go hutch.
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    With key players out - how many will we win?

    It will be hard the next 4-5 weeks. When Curren comes back atleast we have a forward that can start and play big mins. Probably goes straight into right back row like he did earlier this year? But yeh. We will be a bit light on. Especially when you need dsf to come on for a second stint, and...
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Dom Young free to leave roosters

    Hypothetically (not that I am saying which should we go for or anything like that). But Young or Saab if you had to choose one? Young historically hasn’t been a meter eater or a get out of trouble type (even though he is a unit). Great try scorer, shit house defender. Saab much the same. But...
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    News CANTERBURY BULLDOGS INK HISTORIC DEAL WITH COOPER CRONK’S OLD SCHOOL

    Wait is this to get a pick of their players? Or is this for other kids we sign in the area to use their facility for training and high performance stuff?
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    Opinion Nobody is perfect, well nobody except Harry Hayes!

    Kid has looked every bit a first grader since coming into nrl. Just plays a very simple game that works. Run hard tackle hard. Is hungry in defence. Makes huge effort plays. And to think 2 years ago was playing centre in reserve grade. Must be a cirro favourite and you can tell he trusts him...
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    Official Canberra V Bulldogs score prediction and MOTM

    Can we get to the second bye with 1 loss? That would be huge if we do. Crazy broncos play the best half of football all year and it costs us a loss that we shouldn’t have had (our worst half and their best. And this week they were back to normal broncos). But I guess every win brings you closer...
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    Opinion Goal kicking

    This is the same situation as Tracey last year. Got his chance grabbed the zub with 3 hands and never looked back. Yes critta was rocky at the start. But as if he was doing an hour of conversions every day after training just incase he needs to. Yes not the hardest kicks. Was basically more or...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 9 vs Titans @ Suncorp SUN 4th May 1.50pm

    It’s scary seeming he is still on the bench in the 23 jersey. Giving me tingles and not the good variety ones.
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    Official Gus on Twitter

    Might be fox? Jokes. Yeh that’s the most distorted thing I’ve ever seen sent to Gus. Like how sad must your life be to send that crap.
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    Official Injury updates

    Apparently was misdiagnosed. But wasn’t getting better. Then had it reassessed. Was a higher grade then they thought so went in for surgery. Which sucks as it was 2-3 weeks after injury so delayed him a little. Tonight kid to get through virtually to game week and train with it. I know LeBron...
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    Official Bulldogs sign Finau Latu

    Yeh. Worked out well with Leo, Todd, salmon :p, underhill on top of Hughes, king Curren and sitili. Then young latu who is promising. And a few more in the younger grades still developing. Not the time to be getting into a bidding war. They they don’t want to be here there is always someone...
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    Official Bulldogs sign Finau Latu

    Post like these need an aubergine reaction :hearteyes: If we were this good last year we probably even snag Stefano. But honestly he isn’t really needed, in a year or 2 we will have so many young forwards we will start to lose some.
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    Official Ciraldo Discussion

    Coaches job is to get a team ready, prepared, mentally and physically up for the game. If you drop a ball 2nd tackle. Cop 2 tries in the first 10 mins and get a sin bin before we had the ball to attack its team stupidity. funny thing is the ref review thought Burton and sitili should have...
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    Booted

    Hopefully it holds up ok. My experience from new turf is it takes a while to be strong underfoot. But im sure they know what they are doing.
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Finau Latu Meets with Bulldogs as well as Knights

    Not sure if he actually wants to play fullback or just get paid as one. To be fair he had a big game with difficult conditions on Thursday. I doubt welsh could have done what he did.
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    Opinion MAXWELL DAVID KING KONG

    Exactly. Like he might make the 18 or the train on squad. Or might play a game if there are injuries. But if he gets a ashes call up at the end of the year and potentially becomes a cult in England he might get a nice paycheque when he is ready to retire for one last hooray over there for 1-2...
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    Daily Telegraph/Rothfield Finau Latu Meets with Bulldogs as well as Knights

    I agree with you we are super thing with our edges. But also Gus and cirro don’t believe in subbing back rowers off. So having another gun back rower in the mix might frustrate him if he is playing middle or off the bench. I think Gus values the 1, 6, 9. He likes middles. But doesn’t believe...
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    2025 Round 8 - Other Team Lists and Game Discussion

    I was just saying the same thing. Guy is goated after this game. Talk about atmosphere :hearteyes:
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    2025 Round 8 - Other Team Lists and Game Discussion

    How good is the dj at the tigers game. We should poach him or his song list atleast :p
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    Official Bulldogs sign Finau Latu

    They have 2 promising kids in their reserves. And they bring in what’s up brothers kebabs and a heartless Klemmer? Thank goodness we got ciro over flange senior. Luckily no one off the kennel is running the club they were spilling their loads 3x a day for senior flange. Every move he has made so...
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    Turn around in [emoji640] years

    It’s almost the whole ladder has flipped. Parra eels are top to rock bottom and dogs broncs sitting on top.
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    Selwyn Cobbo

    Cobbo is the new age Inglis/mitchell. Fat and lazy. Yes can get you a win here and there. But will mainly drag you down if they are in key positions week in weeks out. Didn’t latrell have a win no kick return meters last year? Like just couldn’t be stuffed?
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    Positional depth

    We do have fill ins at fullback but nothing really up to Tracey’s standards. Kiraz, Wilson, Taaffe and even critta can slot in if need be. But yes we don’t have a ready made gun to walk in. We do have Taytay in flegg but the kid is skin and bones won’t be nrl ready for a bit. We have a few...
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    Official Judiciary report round 8

    To be fair I only saw the replay. Looked like he got him good though but I’ll take your word for it 8-) still a butt hurt player.
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    Official Dogs sign Leo Thompson (2026)

    Runs over 100 every game. Makes over 35 tackles and barely misses any. Playing like one of us already. Shame we can’t slot him in the #10 blue and white jersey next week. Having a double punch of King and Thompson next year. Big bodies and great defensive mobility. You’d be looking over your...
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    Kurt Mann needs to start at 13

    Week in week out, Mann and Hayes changes our attack and defence when they come on. Tackles that sting and normally punching holes through the opposition or doing effort plays to get us the ball. problem is if Solomon doesn’t start he can’t come off the bench…. And we all know he won’t not...
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    Sexton!!!

    I mentioned it when Burton went down the first time. Sexton has no boot on him. His accuracy, his long kicks, his hang time. Definitely not up there. Some of his short drop outs look bad. Like kid just doesn’t have a natural boot which is ok if he plays with Burton. What’s been strange is last 2...
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    Official Judiciary report round 8

    What about Mitchell almost killing the young storm fullback. If he doesn’t miss origin 1 then surely he is a protected species. Runs on the board with those type of lazy dirty tackles. If sitili gets 5 weeks (all be it 2 different charges) that must be 6 minimum.
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    WTF happened?

    We had everything that could go wrong in the first 40 go wrong. Broncos were putting their hand in the toilet and were pulling out diamonds. Happens. Same players that were ripping 40/20s in the first half and setting up try and try with kicks couldn’t kick it off the square in the second. I...
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    Opinion Bailey Hayward

    To be fair last 2 game Mahoney deserved to get benched. How a dummy half can have the ball slip out of his hands like that. Just no concentration at all. Fair enough last night he was playing with wet balls. But the south’s game was 26 degrees. The club is a bit offside with Reed at the moment...
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    Official Bulldogs sign Finau Latu

    Sign klemmer and rfm and what’s up brothers kebabs haha. Funny thing is we made those retarded sign decisions for a good 10 years. I’m happy now we are doing things right. Bring in the best kids and turn them into men. The recruitment of the tigers and dragons reminds me of the dark days at...
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    No Source Dce

    Is he back with good oil this time? :tearsofjoy:
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    News BULLDOGS YOUNG GUN MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME

    Exactly. You can’t rush him. He is skin and bones. Let him build into his body and learn the game. Can’t see him in first grade for a while. But you know with cam and Gus they won’t throw anyone in too early.
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    News BULLDOGS YOUNG GUN MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME

    He is a good kid. Hopefully injuries are behind him and gets some time on the field. Could be pushing for nrl some time next season if all things go well.
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 8 vs Broncos @ Suncorp THU 24th April 7.50pm

    Wonder if he is 100% for or DSF slots in. Hope he is playing. Broncos soft defence would struggle against his size, speed and footwork.
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    Dally M Votes - Canterbury edition.

    Exactly. Tracey was looking good. But I guess 170+m run is nothing mind boggling if king get 260 and 35 tackles. But to be fair a premiership is better then a dally m. Like great to get the recognition. But I doubt anyone remembers who’s won the last 10 dally m but most would remember the...
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    Official Ciraldo Discussion

    Let the nrl keep on sucking off the storm and roosters and sharks who have no supporter base and couldn’t fill up a 5k stadium :p If you want longevity of the comp your want a strong dogs team. I remember Gus said it 10 years ago. If you want a strong nrl you want a strong bulldogs. Never a...
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    Official Ciraldo Discussion

    What a crazy 24 months. To take over such a poorly performing team and to get us to the finals in 12 months then at the top of the table within 18 is insane when you think about it. Still very early but hope there is more to come. I said it in another thread. But if cirro can get us to a couple...
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    Bulldogs first Regular Season loss this season?

    Not to jinx us with a loss this week. But the most wins to start a season was 15 I think? Not expecting that at all. To be fair I thought we would have lost 1 atleast without burtos or kikki. The fact it’s 6 on the trot is insane. Even the first year with cirro we had a solid start to the...
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    Opinion Bulldogs in State Of Origin

    To be fair I’d rather as few distractions as possible. But if I was to pick the best. Mann and king must be there. King has been almost the best prop over the first 7 weeks. Eats meters had been playing lockdown defence. Mann has been the perfect energiser bunny. He is aging like a fine wine...
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    Do other teams do this?

    A few weeks ago when Curren played right side back row Wilson, critta sexy and curren were having a little bonding session over coffee. Just good to have that connection and confidence with new combinations. Also good to just catch up over coffee and talk tactics as your own little quartet. We...
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    OFFICIAL | PRE-GAME Rnd 8 vs Broncos @ Suncorp THU 24th April 7.50pm

    Shame about Todd and Hayes. But we have ample back ups. Would have been good to have Hayes pinch some holes up brisbanes frail defence. This broncos team reminds me of the 90s broncos. Only played one side of the ball. Where we are a bit like the raiders. You’d feel you came up against the...
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    Official Gus on Twitter

    I was going to say. Out of our squad who is likely to not be here or is the first to drop out. Panthers got decimated over 5 years. We definitely will get ripped apart eventually. Can’t keep them all. But wonder who the first to get a big offer will be.
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    Official 2025 NSW CUP Jersey Flegg Ron Massey Scores ,Squads and Team News

    Was that Wilson tackling the air again for one of the Souths tries haha. In saying that can’t hate on the kid too much. 4 tries. But we haven’t conceded since Kiraz returned :yum:
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    Kiraz and Monty wing combo

    Absolutely. I was always a huge fan. But his actions on that night and more importantly after I can not bide with. Did his job. But we are better without him which I didn’t expect. Having 4 players in the back 5 that can run 100m in a half of footy is a huge advantage. Also love when the boys...
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    Opinion Goal kicking

    I think this is the key. Was he doing 1-2 hrs after training every day just on goal kicking when you are the back up? Had a few bad misses the first few weeks but has improved. Not sure if he can consistently be an 80% kicker. But neither can Burton at the moment. Hopefully who ever steps up can...
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    Kiraz and Monty wing combo

    Wonder what fox is thinking now. Throwing his dogs career away for some selfishness and now is literally bottom of the table and doesn’t look like he’ll get back to the top any time soon. Literally penthouse to the dog house, and that’s a bit of a slap in the face to rate eels as highly as being...
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