Opinion Video ref forward pass adjudication

[King Gus]

The bunker will be guessing as the forward velocity of the player passing the ball needs to be calculated to determine if the pass was thrown forward.
The most simple way to judge a forward pass is to get more linesmen so they can be in a better position to see if the throwing motion of the hands was aimed forward. There should be at least 4 linesmen and preferably 8 - 4 on each sideline set to their section of the field. The current 1 linesmen on each sideline results in tons of forward passes being missed.

If they want to cut out forward pass put a chip inside the ball and track it.

 

[bulldogsmyte]

If they want to cut out forward pass put a chip inside the ball and track it.

They still need to track and record the velocity of the player who threw the ball and calculate it - all done at real time. Then there is the issue of tech related faults, bugs, outages etc and then relaying that info to the ref - all in real time. The game will become like NFL with all the stoppages and bugs. If a player running at 40km/hr throws the ball 1km/hr backward the ball will still travel forward.

 

[Scoooby]

Video reffs are getting worse by the second actually, definitely see it in our games. But also starting to see it in a lot of others now. And how blatant it is is shocking as well.. and with absolutely no accountability. It’s pretty fucked.

as for the forward pass. They can’t rule on that and did.

 

[Bulldog Brower]

ti

It evened out in this game. Mahoney's pass to Xerri's try was blatantly forward but it was about time we got lucky with the ref.

Actually, Fox's try also shouldn't have been a try. If you look at it carefully, his foot touched the line and you can see a bit of the white marking move. I can't believe that the commentators and bunker didn't notice it. But I don't care, we deserve a decision go our way.

 

[John Matrix]

Said it before, until the NRL holds them accountable and reverses game changing calls they are trolling us fans.

 

[bulldogsmyte]

Actually, Fox's try also shouldn't have been a try. If you look at it carefully, his foot touched the line and you can see a bit of the white marking move. I can't believe that the commentators and bunker didn't notice it. But I don't care, we deserve a decision go our way.

Well spotted. Watching it slow mo first time it's hard to see as the knights player obscures most of fox's left foot. Would have been better if we scored this try against NRL ref's favourites Manly and Brisbane.

 

[King Gus]

They still need to track and record the velocity of the player who threw the ball and calculate it - all done at real time. Then there is the issue of tech related faults, bugs, outages etc and then relaying that info to the ref - all in real time. The game will become like NFL with all the stoppages and bugs. If a player running at 40km/hr throws the ball 1km/hr backward the ball will still travel forward.

Interesting

 

[TwinTurbo]

All they need to measure is the first few cm's out of the hand, what happens after that is irrelevant. The ball can travel forwards, backwards, sideways, float, wherever it likes, just as long as it leaves the hand/s backwards for 1 mm or more. That's the difficulty, the measurements is over a very short distance and at reasonable speed, the passing player is moving, plus the ball is often rotating and/or spinning as it leaves the hand. It's hell of a thing to measure.

If it was easy it would have already been done.


Always a Bulldog

 

[Dogmonster]

ti

It evened out in this game. Mahoney's pass to Xerri's try was blatantly forward but it was about time we got lucky with the ref.

I missed that wearing my blue and white glasses.

 

[bulldogsmyte]

I missed that wearing my blue and white glasses.

I'm not complaining. Plenty of teams have scored against us with blatant forward passes over the last few years.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Then there is the issue of tech related faults, bugs, outages etc and then relaying that info to the ref - all in real time.

Soccer balls have components inside them for goal line technology. Those balls get the shit kicked out of them and I haven't seen a fault yet

The electrical current that runs through the cables generates a magnetic field. A sensor suspended in the ball measures the magnetic fields as soon as the ball comes into contact with them and transmits data about the ball's location to receivers located behind the goal that relay the data to a central computer.

 

[bulldogsmyte]

Soccer balls have components inside them for goal line technology. Those balls get the shit kicked out of them and I haven't seen a fault yet

The electrical current that runs through the cables generates a magnetic field. A sensor suspended in the ball measures the magnetic fields as soon as the ball comes into contact with them and transmits data about the ball's location to receivers located behind the goal that relay the data to a central computer.

There is a big difference between tracking soccer balls and rugby league forward passes. The velocity of the soccer player is irrelevant. The velocity of the rugby league player IS relevant. How would the sensor know when the ball is being carried and when it is being passed? A lot of soccer decisions doesn't have to be tracked and notify the ref in instant real time. It often goes to VAR like a bunker decision. How would forward passes be tracked and alerted to refs in instant real time?

 

[Trinfly]

Looks like TK after the Roosters game

 

[CaptainJackson]

There is a big difference between tracking soccer balls and rugby league forward passes. The velocity of the soccer player is irrelevant. The velocity of the rugby league player IS relevant. How would the sensor know when the ball is being carried and when it is being passed? A lot of soccer decisions doesn't have to be tracked and notify the ref in instant real time. It often goes to VAR like a bunker decision. How would forward passes be tracked and alerted to refs in instant real time?

I was more pointing out that they can put devices in balls and they don't get damaged, their durability.

Have no idea how they'd decide to do it but the technology is durable enough to last

 

[bulldogsmyte]

I was more pointing out that they can put devices in balls and they don't get damaged, their durability.

Have no idea how they'd decide to do it but the technology is durable enough to last

I doubt this will be done in the NRL. They need an additional system external to the ball to track the players to detect when the ball was passed which then has to communicate with the sensor inside the ball. This means EVERY pass in the game has to be tracked, evaluated at real time and notify the ref.
It's not just one camera, it has to be multiple cameras located around the field. All that and there is still no guarantee that the multiple cameras will detect every single pass when there are any number of players packed together and there could be a very short pass obscured in traffic.
That means there will be scenarios where the system cannot detect a pass and then somehow the ref has to make a call in a split second when the ref expects the system to detect all passes.
So what is the ref supposed to do? Not make a call because the system is supposed to call forward passes or make a call and be constantly overruled by the system in real time?
This is far more complicated compared to the system in soccer which just monitors the ball and a static goal line.

 

[Pavdogg82]

I initially thought the Reed pass to Xerri was forward but it is the angle of the camera. On the other angle it shows that it is flat at worst. It was a great pass by Reed, backwards out of the hands. Try time.
If it was forward, then Harry Grant throws about 60% of his forward passes, he is always pushing the refs with his flat passes to forwards.

 

[Rebuilding Phase]

If they could rule on forward passes that would suck for broncos , sorry @Kaz

 

[Kaz]

If they could rule on forward passes that would suck for broncos , sorry @Kaz

You lie. You are not sorry.