How many weeks for Latrell?

[Psycho Doggie]

Typical, blame everyone else for your own shortcomings. Never takes responsibility and acknowledgement for any indiscretions. Now having his missus come out putting the blame on others, get fucked!

Thommo copping 5 weeks for a shove to a player who didn't even require treatment IS the NRL system not working. Mitchell's flying shoulder to the head of Manu who missed the rest of the season as a result is a whole other kettle of fish. He is a repeat offender for misplaced dangerous aggression, and that is what the NRL system was designed to dissuade.

The real problem with NRL system is that it is arbitrary, the judiciary doesn't have the discretion to decide that a given sanction is being handed down due to process or technicality, and therefore waive any carry over effects. Pretty sure they can't even decide that the MRC grading is too high, so they are stuck between guilty or innocent. Sure Thommo's shove on Brailey was unnecessary, but the grading was OTT. He keeps copping guilty verdicts because of technicalities. Mitchell on the other hand, it is plain for all to see that he is inappropriately aggressive, a cheap shot merchant.

Despite this, Thommo has put up no public fuss over his treatment. Can't say the same for team mitchell.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Thommo copping 5 weeks for a shove to a player who didn't even require treatment IS the NRL system not working. Mitchell's flying shoulder to the head of Manu who missed the rest of the season as a result is a whole other kettle of fish. He is a repeat offender for misplaced dangerous aggression, and that is what the NRL system was designed to dissuade.

The real problem with NRL system is that it is arbitrary, the judiciary doesn't have the discretion to decide that a given sanction is being handed down due to process or technicality, and therefore waive any carry over effects. Pretty sure they can't even decide that the MRC grading is too high, so they are stuck between guilty or innocent. Sure Thommo's shove on Brailey was unnecessary, but the grading was OTT. He keeps copping guilty verdicts because of technicalities. Mitchell on the other hand, it is plain for all to see that he is inappropriately aggressive, a cheap shot merchant.

Despite this, Thommo has put up no public fuss over his treatment. Can't say the same for team mitchell.

Well said, not much that I can add. The NRL system suffers the same deficiencies as all compulsory sentencing, regardless of how many gradings of offences are included. There are particular instances where the compulsory gradings are inappropriate and there is no discretion allowed, no matter how logical and appropriate it may be.

Always a Bulldog

 

[wendog33]

Well said, not much that I can add. The NRL system suffers the same deficiencies as all compulsory sentencing, regardless of how many gradings of offences are included. There are particular instances where the compulsory gradings are inappropriate and there is no discretion allowed, no matter how logical and appropriate it may be.

Always a Bulldog

Shouldn't have carry over points if you have to serve some sort of punishment?

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Shouldn't have carry over points if you have to serve some sort of punishment?

I'd distinguish between carry over points and carry over effect. Carry over points are simply the remaining points after 100 points have been paid per game suspended. So if someone earns 350 points they serve 3 games and have 50 carry over points.

Carry over effects refer to the way the system adds a percentage to the base points earned for an offense because of previous guilty verdicts. This exists to address unwanted behaviour on the field, to capture repeat offenders. That is why previous offences of the same type attract a higher percentage than non-similar previous offences.

But it also means that Thommo got stung for more games because of the guilty verdict for an eye gouge. He claimed it was accidental, and Tamou stated he stayed down to earn the penalty and it wasn't as bad as he made out. But the judiciary had to choose if an eye gouge occurred or not, and they couldn't say it didn't. Everyone was stuck with the grading given by the MRC, which was made BEFORE Tamou made his statement. When a system puts people in that position the system has a problem. The result of such technicality is that Thommo copped a longer ban this season for another technical issue where again the MRC was OTT with the grading.

In the case of Mitchell, the system is actually doing what it was designed to do. Sanction repeat offenders and motivate them to change their behaviour with the threat of carry over effects. Can Mitchell take a more "football smart" option in situations like the Manu attack down the wing? Yes, there is 0% need to do what he did, Manu was covered and had no realistic options for a pass, additionally if he'd managed to slip in a kick, or evade Mitchell, or get away a miracle pass, the fullback would have been out of position, it was a poor call by Mitchell no matter which way you look at it.

By contrast can Thommo change something that would mean he'd never accidentally put a finger in someones eye? Not really, no. If a given offense before the judiciary is based on technicality or process, and there isn't a reasonable expectation that the player needs to make changes, then the judiciary should have the discretion to waive any carry over effects, not to mention down grade the offense.

 

[wendog33]

I'd distinguish between carry over points and carry over effect. Carry over points are simply the remaining points after 100 points have been paid per game suspended. So if someone earns 350 points they serve 3 games and have 50 carry over points.

Carry over effects refer to the way the system adds a percentage to the base points earned for an offense because of previous guilty verdicts. This exists to address unwanted behaviour on the field, to capture repeat offenders. That is why previous offences of the same type attract a higher percentage than non-similar previous offences.

But it also means that Thommo got stung for more games because of the guilty verdict for an eye gouge. He claimed it was accidental, and Tamou stated he stayed down to earn the penalty and it wasn't as bad as he made out. But the judiciary had to choose if an eye gouge occurred or not, and they couldn't say it didn't. Everyone was stuck with the grading given by the MRC, which was made BEFORE Tamou made his statement. When a system puts people in that position the system has a problem. The result of such technicality is that Thommo copped a longer ban this season for another technical issue where again the MRC was OTT with the grading.

In the case of Mitchell, the system is actually doing what it was designed to do. Sanction repeat offenders and motivate them to change their behaviour with the threat of carry over effects. Can Mitchell take a more "football smart" option in situations like the Manu attack down the wing? Yes, there is 0% need to do what he did, Manu was covered and had no realistic options for a pass, additionally if he'd managed to slip in a kick, or evade Mitchell, or get away a miracle pass, the fullback would have been out of position, it was a poor call by Mitchell no matter which way you look at it.

By contrast can Thommo change something that would mean he'd never accidentally put a finger in someones eye? Not really, no. If a given offense before the judiciary is based on technicality or process, and there isn't a reasonable expectation that the player needs to make changes, then the judiciary should have the discretion to waive any carry over effects, not to mention down grade the offense.

Well put.

 

[Dognacious]

Would you say the same thing about steve price …

Probably. Sure hes a legend player but would have hurt a lot more if we had lost someone like Sherwin at the time

 

[JayBee]

Personally think they need to visit having games graded based on importance.

100 points - NRL regular season fixture
200 points - SOO/Finals wk 1-3
300 points - GF

So if you cop a 350 point in round 24 of the NRL season, you will miss the round 25 regular game, and week 1 of the finals - can play week 2, and have 50 carry over.

 

[Freakzilla]

Personally think they need to visit having games graded based on importance.

100 points - NRL regular season fixture
200 points - SOO/Finals wk 1-3
300 points - GF

So if you cop a 350 point in round 24 of the NRL season, you will miss the round 25 regular game, and week 1 of the finals - can play week 2, and have 50 carry over.

Been saying this exact same thing for years.

 

[Freakzilla]

If Latrell Mitchell plays Souths win

 

[Bazildog]

If Latrell Mitchell plays Souths win

Maybe, but we will never know..

 

[B-Train]

If Latrell Mitchell plays Souths win

Probably. But he couldn't help himself with his cheap shots so he cost himself and his team a chance at a premiership.

Taafe and Paulo's mistakes and Walkers intercept lost Souths that game tonight.

 

[Dogmonster]

Should have played tonight fullstop, you want to see the best play the best.

 

[BELMORE]

Should have played tonight fullstop, you want to see the best play the best.

Maybe he should stop being a dirty **** then he could of played

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Mitchell is the only bloke at souffs who is ok with tonights result, he can claim they missed him.

If he is awake up he'd recognise he needs to play a bit more wisely, so he isn't missing next time. Doesn't seem like that is likely though.

 

[Bulldog1966]

Should have played tonight fullstop, you want to see the best play the best.

BULLSHIT not when A. youracunt and B. you break peoples faces illegally C. refer to A LOL

 

[Dogmonster]

Maybe he should stop being a dirty **** then he could of played

So it was alright for Liam Martin to get away with every shoulder charge he did tonight.

 

[Dogmonster]

BULLSHIT not when A. youracunt and B. you break peoples faces illegally C. refer to A LOL

Was an accident , yes it was careless not on purpose.

 

[BELMORE]

So it was alright for Liam Martin to get away with every shoulder charge he did tonight.

Yeah because he didn’t do any. Latrel mitchel is a serial offender you dope. He kicked aj brimson in the jaw and broke it on purpose.

get your lipstick out dog monster, latrell is coming

 

[Dogmonster]

Yeah because he didn’t do any. Latrel mitchel is a serial offender you dope. He kicked aj brimson in the jaw and broke it on purpose.

get your lipstick out dog monster, latrell is coming

Fuck up grimace

 

[KambahOne]

Latrell Mitchell can suck shit all off season and wake up every day with that foul taste of failure and disappointment and may it last his entire career at that putrid, maggot filled club.