U.S. Politics - Thread

[Mr 95%]

Gets some popcorn, a ginger beer, puts feet up...and sits back. Boy I wonder what replies will come to this copy and paste gem.

 

[CroydonDog]

You actually buy this shit?

Lmfao

Trumptards

There's a lot to pick from there, but I particularly liked the bit about how a judge dying (before Trump was even elected) and another retiring rates as an "achievement".

 

[wendog33]

No the best possible socialised medicine saved his life

Those 8 doctors in white coats out the front of Walter Reid sure was impressive.

Even turned them into part of a lying circus.

 

[CaptainJackson]

There's a lot to pick from there, but I particularly liked the bit about how a judge dying (before Trump was even elected) and another retiring rates as an "achievement".

Or mitch mcconnell blocking Obama from selecting district judges which now magically becomes Obama was lazy and Trump is the hardest working president EvErZzzzz and theyre not stacking the courts

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The buffoon in the White House just brokered two Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.

The buffoon in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.

The buffoon in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.

The buffoon in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democrat parties.

The buffoon in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.

The buffoon in the White House neutralized the North Koreans, stopped them from developing a further nuclear capability, sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.

The Buffoon in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the economy. Hello.

The buffoon in the White House has accomplished the appointing of two Supreme Court Justices and close to 300 Federal Judges.

The buffoon in the White House lowered your taxes and caused your stock market to move to record levels over 100 times, positively impacting the retirements of tens of millions of citizens.

The buffoon in the White House fast-tracked the development of a COVID Vaccine - it will be available within weeks - we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.

The buffoon in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration had crippled and had fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office.

The buffoon in the White House uncovered widespread pedophilia in the government and in Hollywood. The buffoon in the White House is exposing world wide sex trafficking of minors and bringing children home to their families.

The buffoon in the White House works for free and has lost well over 2 billion dollars of his own money while serving. He's done all of this and much more in the face of relentless undermining and opposition from people who are threatened because they know they are going to be exposed as the criminals that they are if he is re-elected. I got it, you don't like him. How special of you. He is serving you and ALL the American people. What are you doing besides calling him names?"

Oddly enough, a few of those points are true.

 

[Dawgfather]

Trump has indeed been far more effective and less dangerous than ppl predicted before and during the 2016 election.

in part, this was not difficult because the media and many individuals acted as if he was the devil incarnate. The reaction was mostly emotional, exaggerated and if you paid attention, nonsensical. People would claim he was so stupid that he didn’t know what he was saying, and in the same breath claim he had hatched the greatest spy plot of human history by winning the presidency while acting as an asset for Russia.

Something that gives a good summary of Trump I find is the following:

“Trumps enemies interpret him literally but don’t take him seriously.

Trumps supporters take him seriously but don’t interpret him literally.”

It’s been an interesting 4 years with very few people having enough integrity and presence to actually characterise Trump with any semblance of truth (both right and left wing).

The truth lies somewhere around the idea that Trump is no devil and also no god. He has been unique, offered a different narrative from any president (in many decades or possibly ever). He has generally been effective at accomplishing things that benefit the ‘little American’.

He has maintained consistent messages compared to most politicians who float with the breeze:

DC is a swamp, career politicians are corrupt and he intends to call it out regularly (and does). He followed through so far that he got impeached for trying to investigate Biden with the Ukraine).

Countries need to have control of their borders or they are not a country. A substantial amount of wall has been built. I remember most ppl laughing in 2016 when he suggested a wall could be built.

America is a great place founded on great ideals but it needs constant revision to ensure the ideals are being strived for.

he consistently speaks about rights under the constitution as an originalist (that rights are fundamental and should be interpreted as they were when written).

and probably most importantly, he ran on the idea the American economy would be amazing again, and it was until Wuhan flu came along. Something lefties should have appreciated is the huge number of jobs that went to minorities. Black, woman and Hispanic unemployment went extremely low.

Finally, Trump is indeed a colourful figure. He is loose with the truth if you interpret him literally. However, I don't think this is the right way to look at Trump. You need to look at him as the representation of something broader - America's loss of faith in many of it's institutions. This loss of faith resulted in the election of a businessman with many faults, but one who told America's people that life could be better than what they were getting under decades of corporate lobbying and political corruption while being ruled by career politicians who would earn millions of dollars as the little Americans were being robbed blind, jobs sent overseas and their rights disappearing.

 

[wendog33]

Trump has indeed been far more effective and less dangerous than ppl predicted before and during the 2016 election.

in part, this was not difficult because the media and many individuals acted as if he was the devil incarnate. The reaction was mostly emotional, exaggerated and if you paid attention, nonsensical. People would claim he was so stupid that he didn’t know what he was saying, and in the same breath claim he had hatched the greatest spy plot of human history by winning the presidency while acting as an asset for Russia.

Something that gives a good summary of Trump I find is the following:

“Trumps enemies interpret him literally but don’t take him seriously.

Trumps supporters take him seriously but don’t interpret him literally.”

It’s been an interesting 4 years with very few people having enough integrity and presence to actually characterise Trump with any semblance of truth (both right and left wing).

The truth lies somewhere around the idea that Trump is no devil and also no god. He has been unique, offered a different narrative from any president (in many decades or possibly ever). He has generally been effective at accomplishing things that benefit the ‘little American’.

He has maintained consistent messages compared to most politicians who float with the breeze:

DC is a swamp, career politicians are corrupt and he intends to call it out regularly (and does). He followed through so far that he got impeached for trying to investigate Biden with the Ukraine).

Countries need to have control of their borders or they are not a country. A substantial amount of wall has been built. I remember most ppl laughing in 2016 when he suggested a wall could be built.

America is a great place founded on great ideals but it needs constant revision to ensure the ideals are being strived for.

he consistently speaks about rights under the constitution as an originalist (that rights are fundamental and should be interpreted as they were when written).

and probably most importantly, he ran on the idea the American economy would be amazing again, and it was until Wuhan flu came along. Something lefties should have appreciated is the huge number of jobs that went to minorities. Black, woman and Hispanic unemployment went extremely low.

Finally, Trump is indeed a colourful figure. He is loose with the truth if you interpret him literally. However, I don't think this is the right way to look at Trump. You need to look at him as the representation of something broader - America's loss of faith in many of it's institutions. This loss of faith resulted in the election of a businessman with many faults, but one who told America's people that life could be better than what they were getting under decades of corporate lobbying and political corruption while being ruled by career politicians who would earn millions of dollars as the little Americans were being robbed blind, jobs sent overseas and their rights disappearing.

Unfortunately reads like you have rose coloured glasses on Dawg.

Entitled to your opinion but Trump is no better than the professional politicians.

If he didn't lie, had some integrity and didn't have corrupt, seedy sycophants around him then you may have that guy we are all looking for, but no, Trump isn't that guy IMO.

He is corrupt, as much as any of them. Probably more so, as we will probably find out when the senate investigations commence in January

 

[Dawgfather]

The other thing I should have mentioned is that Trump has had a more effective foreign policy than any other president for decades.

This is an amazing stat given U.S. career politicians constantly have praised themselves for their relationships with world leaders. Despite these relationships, the U.S. has has awful foreign policies for decades resulting in endless wars.

Trump has finally (largely) stopped the middle east wars and has now even managed to get multiple peace deals signed.

North Korea is no longer an imminent threat as it was when Obama/Biden passed over the keys to the white house either.

 

[speedy2460]

Oddly enough, a few of those points are true.

Actually, they are probably all true. Some may have been exaggerated, some not that important.
But the biggest achievement is his determination to drain the swamp. The previous administration, and probably all Democratic
governments have been abysmal (probably except Kennedy). The criminal activities they were involved in is mind boggling.
I hope the Epstein case is prosecuted to its fullest, and reveals exactly who was involved.

 

[wendog33]

Leaders in the Middle East are watching the polls in America

Big decisions have been put on hold until American voters make up their minds

www.economist.com

 

[wendog33]

An assessment of Donald Trump’s record on trade

What have the president’s threats and deals achieved?

www.economist.com

 

[wendog33]

What Donald Trump did for hydrocarbons

The president has pursued a high-risk, low-reward energy strategy

www.economist.com

 

[CaptainJackson]

Oddly enough, a few of those points are true.

Points being true vs points being true because trump was responsible for it, are two completely different things.

Stop pandering to the trumptards who obviously have NFI how to fact check those points and pass off as genuine "acheivement"

The sudan "peace deal" is more about a change in government in sudan than what Trumps cabinet achieved.

His so called acheivements with black and Latino employment figures and prosperity are true for the first 2 years of his term, you know when Obama's policies were still in effect, but not true for these last 2 years, you know when the Trump affect starting taking place due to policy lag.

As I said there's a massive difference between points being true vs points being true because trump caused them

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The other thing I should have mentioned is that Trump has had a more effective foreign policy than any other president for decades.

This is an amazing stat given U.S. career politicians constantly have praised themselves for their relationships with world leaders. Despite these relationships, the U.S. has has awful foreign policies for decades resulting in endless wars.

Trump has finally (largely) stopped the middle east wars and has now even managed to get multiple peace deals signed.

North Korea is no longer an imminent threat as it was when Obama/Biden passed over the keys to the white house either.

North Korea is no longer an imminent threat?

North Korea: What missiles does it have?

North Korea could provide Russia with weapons to support its war in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Most of Trump's foreign policy is just your standard Nationalist policy. Pulling out of UNESCO, the Paris accords, the Human Rights Council, the fly over treaty, cutting WHO funding. It's all foreign policy that is anti-foreign. It's all designed to help US citizens first while leaving everyone else to suffer.

Sure, you should put your country first. But is it morally right to ensure that all others suffer for the American people?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Points being true vs points being true because trump was responsible for it, are two completely different things.

Stop pandering to the trumptards who obviously have NFI how to fact check those points and pass off as genuine "acheivement"

The sudan "peace deal" is more about a change in government in sudan than what Trumps cabinet achieved.

His so called acheivements with black and Latino employment figures and prosperity are true for the first 2 years of his term, you know when Obama's policies were still in effect, but not true for these last 2 years, you know when the Trump affect starting taking place due to policy lag.

As I said there's a massive difference between points being true vs points being true because trump caused them

But the points are true. There is a buffoon in the white house.

 

[Dawgfather]

North Korea is no longer an imminent threat?

North Korea: What missiles does it have?

North Korea could provide Russia with weapons to support its war in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Most of Trump's foreign policy is just your standard Nationalist policy. Pulling out of UNESCO, the Paris accords, the Human Rights Council, the fly over treaty, cutting WHO funding. It's all foreign policy that is anti-foreign. It's all designed to help US citizens first while leaving everyone else to suffer.

Sure, you should put your country first. But is it morally right to ensure that all others suffer for the American people?

No doubt North Korea are a threat. However it is no longer the imminent threat it was during the handover of power from Obama to Trump.

 

[Dawgfather]

. It's all designed to help US citizens first while leaving everyone else to suffer.

Wow imagine that? A U.S. president making policy decisions based on the interests of the citizens of America.

American presidents have no business making decisions for citizens of foreign countries.

Politicians are elected to serve the people who elect them. Not random citizens from foreign countries.

 

[wendog33]

Why Donald Trump’s Debt is a National Security Risk

If you owe someone a lot of money, they have leverage over you. To whom, exactly, does the U.S. president owe this money?

www.defenseone.com

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Wow imagine that? A U.S. president making policy decisions based on the interests of the citizens of America.

American presidents have no business making decisions for citizens of foreign countries.

Politicians are elected to serve the people who elect them. Not random citizens from foreign countries.

But is it morally correct to remove all foreign aid?

Is it morally correct to cause problems for future generations to make the current generations happier?

 

[Dawgfather]

But is it morally correct to remove all foreign aid?

Is it morally correct to cause problems for future generations to make the current generations happier?

Depends whether you think the middle east and North Korea are in a worse or better position than ~2014-2016. The current policies appear to have these regions now in far better circumstances than had been the case previously.

Another truism - each sovereign country is responsible for their own outcomes, their own laws and their own security. Sure there are instances where countries fall apart and their needs to be some global movement to help support them, but fundamentally, America has no business having soldiers in the middle east.