Gus on Six Tackles with Gus regarding Bulldogs recruitment and development

[Nasheed]

Who knows? They might only be able to offer 600k for all we know. It's not like they have millions to spend like us.

My point is, if a team offers 700k for a player, we don't have to offer a million. That's called overpaying. You go up by increments of 25-50k. I'd hate to see you at a property auction!

Just offer Grant a mil plus over 4 years and after two years if he isn't worth it just slip Coke in his drink and tell asada and we can move on.

 

[Cappuccino]

We need an eye roll react

 

[ash160]

hard to believe but I remember Storm players and coach when they were building the club early 2000’s they were looking to the Bulldogs as a club to try and emulate the culture and toughness.

whatever Folksey was doing back then just worked. Wish he was still around to offer some guidance right now

 

[GA45]

Nasheed here,
There is actually a problem with this logic.

what Gus is relying on is the logic that If you farm young players, you can get them performing for you cheaper because they will not be on a high wage compared to what you can get elsewhere.

Traditionally this has been true. You get a playa crack first grade, find his feet on the back end of one season and then the next two years they play below market value until the roosters or Titans swoop in on a big deal that takes them away.

However, the fault there is this relies on players accepting this and the recent trend is they feel insulted at getting less than their market value dictates.
Look at Ryan Matterson last year. Bateman this year. Mitchell Moses the year before and the year before that, pongas as massive deal and the Tongan kids deal with Souths this year and the other Tongan at the Titans.

The trend is actually to identify prime meat early and actually pay overs to steal them from the womb.

Gus' logic can work at Penrith as it is the largest junior nursery in the world and theres First graders if the future who aren't even making their Ball side, and then you have the broncos who can pay unders to their players in line with cheap Brisbane real estate and barriers to exit like family, upheaval moving etc.

The best play is team composition. Identify the right players in the right positions and identify them at the right age and treat them well! Look after them in non monetary ways. Something our Club has not been doing to certain ethnic groups in their youth that the tigers have picked up on.

Nasheed is this the first post you have done in quite some time without the influence of drugs?

 

[vegny]

How many junior clubs roosters have?

 

[maroondog72]

Heard we have to pay overs to attract top players next year

Huge if true

Fuuuuuuccccckkk
If you hadn’t pointed that out I would never have known!!

 

[JUNKYARD DOGS]

We are starting to get some good juniors come through now, just offer Grant/Bateman or Fifita a healthy contract shed some dead wood and the rest will sort itself out.
Blood some juniors such as Schoup, Biondi and Topine and play Averillo and RT more

 

[Northern Beaches dog]

This is what people do not understand.
It is very well documented that we a hooker and a half back. Until we get that, we will not be a top 8 team.
The thing is, who is out there? Ok, Harry Grant, lets say we dont get him....Then what?
This is not NBA2K where you can just go and make up a player and put him in your squad.

People seem to think that because we have money, then it automatically means you can get top line players. This is not the case.

If we dont get Grant, then we keep JMK at hooker and we will get the same results.

 

[dogwhisperer]

No, everyone has got it wrong. What he was saying was these players will come to the bulldogs for less because Campsie, Belmore, Lakemba, Wiley Park and Punchbowl are the classiest suburbs in the world. Which player doesn’t want to hang out there.

 

[Packstar]

Des neglected the juniors. It's going to take 5 plus years to rebuild that. We need to sign 1st graders. Not necessarily super stars but harden 1st graders. When we have a junior ready they enter and the recruitment for that position stops. I said we won't win a comp for 10yrs because this recruitment won't be the contending for comp it will be the one after that and after that. By than we have 7 or 8 juniors . Some with 2 yrs in 1st grade some with 4 and some rookies . But we are a long way from this position. We need to focus on 18 to 20 yr olds and 2 older spine players to get started next year.
We need Gus .

Des did not neglect the juniors.

Des is like Bennett, they can only coach a team with a top 4 roster.

It is not the job of a head coach to develop juniors. It is the job of the club. A head coach only coaches the NRL side.

To add to that, the head coach does not run the club

 

[GoTheDoggies]

That sort of talk has been done to death. We neglected the junior systems and Penrith haven't, who has been in more finals series in the last 10 years and made more GF appearances?

The fact is working around the salary cap is proven to be successful. Storm, Roosters, Manly, Sharks and us from 2012 on wards made the finals in consecutive years.

Why can't we do both? Have the juniors but also work around the cap like the Roosters and Storm do.

 

[GoTheDoggies]

Either way you have to pay overs to retain your juniors when clubs like Newcastle throw 600k at a rookie Ponga for example.

 

[GoTheDoggies]

hard to believe but I remember Storm players and coach when they were building the club early 2000’s they were looking to the Bulldogs as a club to try and emulate the culture and toughness.

whatever Folksey was doing back then just worked. Wish he was still around to offer some guidance right now

Their most successful period was when they cheated the cap.

 

[vegny]

No, everyone has got it wrong. What he was saying was these players will come to the bulldogs for less because Campsie, Belmore, Lakemba, Wiley Park and Punchbowl are the classiest suburbs in the world. Which player doesn’t want to hang out there.

Ive been telling ppl this.
If you have a talented son and roosters, sharks and dogs chasing him, would you send him to belmore? No wonder we only get country kids and kiwis. Cos their parents dont know about sydney suburbs. Lol

 

[Kennelnator]

Des did not neglect the juniors.

Des is like Bennett, they can only coach a team with a top 4 roster.

It is not the job of a head coach to develop juniors. It is the job of the club. A head coach only coaches the NRL side.

To add to that, the head coach does not run the club

Absolutely spot on mate.

Some folks just dont get it!

Not only do we have to invest heavily back into our junior system, we need to look into new markets.

Something down the lines of the Pacific Islands, and outback NSW and QLD

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Either way you have to pay overs to retain your juniors when clubs like Newcastle throw 600k at a rookie Ponga for example.

Meanwhile we throw 600k+ at a bench prop

 

[Jarrad El Hickey]

The raiders I can somewhat agree with but the knights for example have improved off the back of paying money for the like of Mitchell Pearce, klemmer, ponga etc, same with the roosters, yea you need juniors coming through and we don’t exactly have an abundance coming through but at some point you’ve gotta spend some cash to improve the club

 

[oldpuppy]

Just offer Grant a mil plus over 4 years and after two years if he isn't worth it just slip Coke in his drink and tell asada and we can move on.

I'm liking your work of late

 

[Spoonman84]

The raiders I can somewhat agree with but the knights for example have improved off the back of paying money for the like of Mitchell Pearce, klemmer, ponga etc, same with the roosters, yea you need juniors coming through and we don’t exactly have an abundance coming through but at some point you’ve gotta spend some cash to improve the club

You can only learn so much off other clubs “rebuilding”. They all have unique circumstances and everyone is different. It’s not a one size fits all approach. As you say the Raiders and Knights are miles apart in the way they went about things.

 

[The DoggFather]

We need to raid Fiji.