Pay Extension

[Malpass]

The club needs to enlist the services of a psychic medium to make contact with ted glossop and get him to coach the side from the afterlife so we can play like we did when we were " the entertainers ".....
Seriously I just watched pays presser. Same old crap.ffs maybe he should fire up at these guys.seems like they don't give a rat's......

 

[EB18]

The only extension Pay should be getting is a dick extension.

 

[wendog33]

There are pros than cons for an immediate change of coach. The pros are that often with a change of coach performances improves somewhat, and that should help with recruitment.
However I am almost certain that our club is having trouble finding a proven replacement coach at present. Sacking coaches mid year would not be encouraging for any prospective coach, no matter how proven he might be.

Thats a fair point Kelpie but having the club and team sink further and further each week, is not encouraging for a prospective coach or player. That's our reality atm.

What do we do. Put up with it when there seems no prospect of Pay learning or give the club a chance with someone else.

Something is terribly wrong. Remember the difference DWZ made. Immediate confidence builder to team mates initially. But that's all fallen over.

Thompson may have the same positive effect initally. How hopeless it would be if he goes the same way.

There is no alternative than to change coach. It's all thats left. The game changing players may not come.

 

[bradyk]

So not wanting to be spooners is an unrealistic expectation??
That’ll do me your cooked

The other guy brought up Leicester City winning the Premier League . That's what the miracle reply is aimed at. We're expected to finish second last, we're currently sitting last, make what you will out of that. Going into the season 99% of you had unrealistic expectations.

 

[bradyk]

I wrote this in another thread but I think pay supporters should consider the following


need 4/5 top line players using war chest . The club is not only the new parra but I think they will be the new titans . By new titans I mean the following
They will pay massive overs to get anyone but it will be those that are at the end of the careears who don’t give a shit and just after a pay cheque and won’t give 2 fucks about their performances as they will be playing knowing they will have no chance of a premiership and will kiss any potential rep career good bye. This is what the pay supporters don’t get , a war chest is only useful if you had a once off bad year , ala 2008 , not a basket case of a club that is perefennially at the bottom with a coach who has achieved fuck all

I told you guys we had to pay overs from day one (I was laughed at, impossible to be the case, etc). Our situation is more comparable to the Knights more so than the Titans. The Knights who were worse off than us, team and coach, were able to recruit players. Saying we can't recruit players because of our team and coach is a myth.

 

[Kelpie03]

Thats a fair point Kelpie but having the club and team sink further and further each week, is not encouraging for a prospective coach or player. That's our reality atm.

What do we do. Put up with it when there seems no prospect of Pay learning or give the club a chance with someone else.

Something is terribly wrong. Remember the difference DWZ made. Immediate confidence builder to team mates initially. But that's all fallen over.

Thompson may have the same positive effect initally. How hopeless it would be if he goes the same way.

There is no alternative than to change coach. It's all thats left. The game changing players may not come.

I agree with everything you said, we are sinking further and further every week, but I just cant see any other decent coach wanting the job. In our current situation any aspersing coach would be aware that the coaching job at our club would very likely destroy any chance of him becoming a successful NRL coach in the future, and that's why we are standing in cattle poo.
Not having any inside info, I would say give Bennet 2 years as coaching coordinator, (if and with very a big if he want's the job) with 1 or 2 young aspiring assistants, would for me be the best way out of this mess. IMHO Bennet may not be a great RL tactician he once was, but would still have some value as a man manager.
I feel that a team effort would be more appealing to players and to any aspiring young coaches.

 

[bradyk]

I have made an appointment for you to see the concussion specialist, booked you, Horse and the other nuffs on here to get your heads checked.
Apparently 3 seasons of evidence is not enough for you guys... always have a fucking excuse. Its mentally draining listening to.you guys still back him..
Dude we are shit from top to bottom, from the head honcho all the way down to the players.
Pay will not be re-signed that's a given. Whether he lasts the year or not god knows.

There are more than reasonable excuses (in some cases facts) to bring up and the reason for X. Last night still wasn't good enough. The roster is the biggest concern. Pay not being re-signed isn't a given and you all would of said the same last year. If a top coach isn't available (or maybe Fitzgibbon) he'll be extended. Pay's done a good job considering everything but if someone better is available I'm not going to say no, am I.

 

[GA45]

The other guy brought up Leicester City winning the Premier League . That's what the miracle reply is aimed at. We're expected to finish second last, we're currently sitting last, make what you will out of that. Going into the season 99% of you had unrealistic expectations.

You completely missed the point of Leicester comment because you think the coach is doing wonders at Canterbury

 

[bradyk]

You completely missed the point of Leicester comment because you think the coach is doing wonders at Canterbury

No, you went into the season expecting us to win the premiership. Was it possible, yes. Was it likely, fk no. You're just confirming my unrealistic expectations posts.

 

[GDR]

No, you went into the season expecting us to win the premiership. Was it possible, yes. Was it likely, fk no. You're just confirming my unrealistic expectations posts.

We have finished the last 2 season very strongly.. how is it an unrealistic expectation to see that sort of form from earlier in the year.. this "cattle" has proven they can win.. the evidence keeps pointing to the coaches inability to manage a roster...

 

[DinkumDog]

If he’s not sacked by tomorrow morning, I’m finished

It's afternoon Alzz and as far as I'm aware Pay is still coach.


DO YOU NEED A HAND PACKING??

 

[Riggs80]

I told you guys we had to pay overs from day one (I was laughed at, impossible to be the case, etc). Our situation is more comparable to the Knights more so than the Titans. The Knights who were worse off than us, team and coach, were able to recruit players. Saying we can't recruit players because of our team and coach is a myth.

no I wouldn’t compare to the knights , brown came in as a NEW coach and was looking at improving the side year in year out, he didn’t buy a whole new side in one year . Also he had a much younger side and people could see the Individual players actually improving . And far more importantly they had the media on their side to help recruit via nine with Joey and fox via Matty .
Do you think knights were able to recruit by trotting out a dopey like pay when they were recruiting , no they used current immortal in johns and Matty who is well known via fox, and Buderus who is a part of the NSW origin setup . Even titans are using Meninga (current Australian coach) when they try recruit . Who are the bulldogs going to use , pay (blah) or do they have a high profile elite/superstar explayer that this generation of players look up to to help recruit

‘whereas the titans just like the bulldogs who have become perennial under achievers with no chance of the 8 and you are seeking to keep the same shit coach who has NOT improved any player and seeking to buy a whole new side In one hit .

a player at his peak or one of the absolute young guns in game coming through will not join a side like bulldogs with pay still in charge , all that you can get is players after one last pay cheque who will not put in , ala titans or rejects that can’t even get game time in other shit clubs .

 

[wendog33]

I agree with everything you said, we are sinking further and further every week, but I just cant see any other decent coach wanting the job. In our current situation any aspersing coach would be aware that the coaching job at our club would very likely destroy any chance of him becoming a successful NRL coach in the future, and that's why we are standing in cattle poo.
Not having any inside info, I would say give Bennet 2 years as coaching coordinator, (if and with very a big if he want's the job) with 1 or 2 young aspiring assistants, would for me be the best way out of this mess. IMHO Bennet may not be a great RL tactician he once was, but would still have some value as a man manager.
I feel that a team effort would be more appealing to players and to any aspiring young coaches.

Yes some good ideas for change.

The only fact that can't be disputed is we need change. We need results.

Who is best placed to provide that change and results, and hope, to current players and any new players who would consider joining our team to improve it.

Can't see it being Pay unfortunately.

 

[bradyk]

We have finished the last 2 season very strongly.. how is it an unrealistic expectation to see that sort of form from earlier in the year.. this "cattle" has proven they can win.. the evidence keeps pointing to the coaches inability to manage a roster...

Even with finishing last season strong, before a ball was kicked we were expected to finish 15th this year. What does that tell you? It tells me we overachieved last year.

 

[Moey]

There are more than reasonable excuses (in some cases facts) to bring up and the reason for X. Last night still wasn't good enough. The roster is the biggest concern. Pay not being re-signed isn't a given and you all would of said the same last year. If a top coach isn't available (or maybe Fitzgibbon) he'll be extended. Pay's done a good job considering everything but if someone better is available I'm not going to say no, am I.

Him not being resigned is a given. Unless a miracle happens. Given the ppl we have on the board it wouldn't surprise me if that miracle happens. But other than that no chance he is staying next year. No idea who they are chasing though.
Pay hasnt done a good job.

 

[GDR]

Even with finishing last season strong, before a ball was kicked we were expected to finish 15th this year. What does that tell you? It tells me we overachieved last year.

Not everyone had us finishing 15th I'm sorry... Some expert tippers had us Smokey's for the 8. So I'm sorry poor excuse.. and besides how many of these so called experts even get it remotely correct? .... Preseason tipping is just an educated guess..

 

[bradyk]

Not everyone had us finishing 15th I'm sorry... Some expert tippers had us Smokey's for the 8. So I'm sorry poor excuse.. and besides how many of these so called experts even get it remotely correct? .... Preseason tipping is just an educated guess..

Majority of tippers had us bottom four. Betting odds had us second last. I had us finishing 12th on heart. Everyone on this forum's opinion means less than an analyst. I'm not sure why you'd say that as a reason to strengthen your own opinion. When we're talking about realistic expectations there's a bit more than feel that goes into it. If people were genuinely thinking (putting expectations on) we wouldn't finish around 15th I don't think it was realistic.

 

[GDR]

Majority of tippers had us bottom four. Betting odds had us second last. I had us finishing 12th on heart. Everyone on this forum's opinion means less than an analyst. I'm not sure why you'd say that as a reason to strengthen your own opinion. When we're talking about realistic expectations there's a bit more than feel that goes into it. If people were genuinely thinking (putting expectations on) we wouldn't finish around 15th I don't think it was realistic.

So by your own admission we are going worse than expected... nevermind .. you sir are a lost cause.. much like our mastermind coach..

 

[bradyk]

So by your own admission we are going worse than expected... nevermind .. you sir are a lost cause.. much like our mastermind coach..

You need to learn to read. If that's your conclusion for what I've said regarding this year you're a lost cause.

 

[GA45]

No, you went into the season expecting us to win the premiership. Was it possible, yes. Was it likely, fk no. You're just confirming my unrealistic expectations posts.

What drugs are you on???

My comment was implying a coach plays a role in getting the best out of their players. The Leicester coach got the best out of his players that season. Pay is getting zero out of his players that is why we are last . That’s on the coach and his staff so get off your high horse about odds etc and have a real hard look at what is actually happening with this coaching group