News Bulldogs star tees off in anti-vax critics as NSW makes stand-down call

Hacky McAxe

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So the state shouldn't get involved if someone chooses to ingest alcohol and get behind the wheel of a vehicle
Not really relevant as the state isn't forcing someone to take something in that instance.

My stance is that the state shouldn't get involved as far as forcing vaccination. But safety comes first. That means that state schools can prevent a kid from attending if they haven't been vaccinated because it's a protection for the other children. But they can't force someone to take the vaccine.

In this case though, it's more a case of a private entity being influenced by the state. The NRL operates as a privately owned entity and can therefore set its own rules. If it wants to allow players to vaccinate then the government shouldn't be able to force the NRL to force players to vaccinate as each player can make the decision based on their own merit. If a player doesn't want to play with other non-vaccinated players then that's their decision and it's the way it's been for decades.

But if the NRL wants players to be vaccinated then they should also be free to set the "no jab, no play" rule. But it shouldn't be forced by the state or federal governments.
 

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Not really relevant as the state isn't forcing someone to take something in that instance.

My stance is that the state shouldn't get involved as far as forcing vaccination. But safety comes first. That means that state schools can prevent a kid from attending if they haven't been vaccinated because it's a protection for the other children. But they can't force someone to take the vaccine.

In this case though, it's more a case of a private entity being influenced by the state. The NRL operates as a privately owned entity and can therefore set its own rules. If it wants to allow players to vaccinate then the government shouldn't be able to force the NRL to force players to vaccinate as each player can make the decision based on their own merit. If a player doesn't want to play with other non-vaccinated players then that's their decision and it's the way it's been for decades.

But if the NRL wants players to be vaccinated then they should also be free to set the "no jab, no play" rule. But it shouldn't be forced by the state or federal governments.
Your school example is the same thing.

You're saying you're ok with the state saying, you have to get vaccination if you're going to attend school.

How is this different to the state saying that to play you must have vaccinated players?
 

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Your school example is the same thing.

You're saying you're ok with the state saying, you have to get vaccination if you're going to attend school.

How is this different to the state saying that to play you must have vaccinated players?
The state doesn't run the NRL. By the same merits, the state shouldn't be allowed to tell private schools that they can or can't force vaccination. And the state doesn't force private schools to vaccinate.
 

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The state doesn't run the NRL. By the same merits, the state shouldn't be allowed to tell private schools that they can or can't force vaccination. And the state doesn't force private schools to vaccinate.
So essentially you're saying private entities shouldn't be forced to follow state guidelines/laws?
 

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horse racing kept going through all of this, i wonder if all participants and those involved are or were vaccinated
 

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Why are so many Islanders and Mormons who are also made up of many islanders so into this antivax bullshit?

Like fuck, it just lets them play into the whole islanders are dumb *****/small brained stereotype sadly...

Surely these footy players who are clearly not academics or medical experts would listen to someone who is actually studied or an expert in these fields over listening to another dumb **** foot player?
 

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The thing I find most interesting about the black plague is that it worked the same as HIV (same receptor). Some people don't have that receptor so the plague couldn't infect them. They could still carry it but it couldn't kill them. As HIV attaches to the same receptor, those people are also immune to HIV infection. And they pass that on through their genes. It's a nice display of modern evolution at work.
And those of us from European and British backgrounds are descendants of the survivors- the ones that natural selection smiled upon. Something worth considering, anytime you feel like you're not a success.
 

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Why are so many Islanders and Mormons who are also made up of many islanders so into this antivax bullshit?

Like fuck, it just lets them play into the whole islanders are dumb *****/small brained stereotype sadly...

Surely these footy players who are clearly not academics or medical experts would listen to someone who is actually studied or an expert in these fields over listening to another dumb c*** foot player?
Unfortunately it's a cultural and community thing. All it takes is a few loud voices inside the community and everyone starts believing the same false information.

You would think they would be more cautious now after the anti-vaxxers induced measles outbreak in Samoa killed nearly 90 kids in a few weeks last year.
 

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Looks like Katoa might get us out of making any trips to Queensland for the rest of the season.

NRL working desperately to set down a new season draw

Peter V’landys says the NRL is literally working around the clock to produce a new season draw as broadcaster demands and anti-vaxxers hold up the tenuous process.

The NRL is rushing to finalise a new-look 20-round competition in time for the May 28 season relaunch and may have to release the entire schedule after the premiership restarts.

The draw is generally a logistical nightmare, usually taking months to produce by a Canadian firm due to the numerous factors that have to be taken into account.

The NRL is attempting to produce a balanced competition in a matter of weeks and is still negotiating a new broadcast deal with Channel 9 and Foxtel a fortnight out from the mooted start.

Despite cutting it fine, ARL Commission chairman V’landys remains confident the NRL will kick-off on May 28 even if it means only settling on the first few rounds of games and finalising the draw at a later date.

“We’re working on it to get it done as quickly as possible, even if we’ve got an indication of a couple of rounds,” V’landys said.

“People don’t realise how complicated it is. It’s very complicated. It uses an algorithm and it takes 24 hours each time you do one.

“We’ve got to let the broadcasters do their bit and then we do our bit and it’s very complicated.”

The NRL must try to appease the demands of broadcasters and requests of clubs while creating a fair competition in a short period of time.

The banning of players who have rejected the flu vaccination from playing in Queensland has also thrown a spanner in the works.

The NRL wants to retain the integrity of the premiership and not having some of the game’s top players, like Canberra’s Josh Papalii, allowed to play in Queensland has created unwanted headaches at League Central.

V’landys said he was focused on finalising the broadcast deal and draw within the next week.

“The draw and finalising the broadcast deals are the two big ones for me,” he said.

“If we can start on the 28th of May that will be fantastic. There’s no reason why we won’t.

“We said the infection rate (of COVID-19) would be near zero by the 28th of May and sure enough it is.”

The North Queensland Cowboys are one team sweating on the release of the draw due to their taxing travel commitments.

With teams to travel to and from games on the same day, the Cowboys have requested only night games to ensure they don’t have to leave Townsville unnecessarily early.

The Cowboys flew to Sydney on a game day charter flight for their Round 2 match against the Bulldogs and won.

Cowboys football chief Peter Parr said the club had responded well to the travel changes.

“With the Warriors now in Australia, we will have to travel more than any other team,” he said.

“We are used to that, but we would like some consideration given to avoiding 3pm games at least because that would require a very early start with travel.

“We feel that would compromise our preparation somewhat. We also have to take into account that Sydney clubs have to travel to Townsville as well.

“We need to talk to the players in more depth about how they handled the travel for that Bulldogs game (in Round 2).

“There’s no doubt it went well. Doing it once is one thing, but doing that for the next four or five months will be the test.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...w/news-story/af4de905ef1dd8abc9d1c01c9cee0966
 

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Unfortunately it's a cultural and community thing. All it takes is a few loud voices inside the community and everyone starts believing the same false information.

You would think they would be more cautious now after the anti-vaxxers induced measles outbreak in Samoa killed nearly 90 kids in a few weeks last year.
The measles outbreak in Samoa wasn't induced by anti vaxxers. It was the result of a high profile child death from a vaccine and poor government.
 

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Why are so many Islanders and Mormons who are also made up of many islanders so into this antivax bullshit?

Like fuck, it just lets them play into the whole islanders are dumb *****/small brained stereotype sadly...

Surely these footy players who are clearly not academics or medical experts would listen to someone who is actually studied or an expert in these fields over listening to another dumb c*** foot player?
I think you will find that Islanders are a very small percentage of the predominately white anti vax movement. There are a few influential football wives who are instafamous, like Taylor Winterstein. I think she was banned from holding a seminar in Samoa last year.
 

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I think you will find that Islanders are a very small percentage of the predominately white anti vax movement. There are a few influential football wives who are instafamous, like Taylor Winterstein. I think she was banned from holding a seminar in Samoa last year.
A few of my islander mates have told they have a lot of people in their community and even family who are all into this anitvax crap now some are even flat eathers....

It’s quiet sad it’s spread abit in the islander community as they aren’t bad people or like the previous stereotype Iv mentioned

Why does she have such a large following and who are following her?
 

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This is the same country that has Medicare for all right...you want to live in the US where that isn't the case? Having lived in both trust me you won't want to have to have surgery in the US...it's all out of your pocket and that's IF you have medical insurance in the first place!
I’d love our healthcare and their freedom (and beer & food)
 

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A few of my islander mates have told they have a lot of people in their community and even family who are all into this anitvax crap now some are even flat eathers....

It’s quiet sad it’s spread abit in the islander community as they aren’t bad people or like the previous stereotype Iv mentioned

Why does she have such a large following and who are following her?
There are heaps of Pacific people who follow her. There are also heaps of Anglos that follow her too. The Pacific people are mostly those who have been born and raised in NZ and Aus. Culturally we have always used natural medicines and remedies, but these are usually from plants which are from the islands. These are free. These anti vaxxers promote expensive bullshit for profit...like purple rice etc. She has a large following because she uses Instagram well as a business model and IMO plays upon people's sceptical view of governments, conspiracy theories and pro choice and alternative health movements which are framed in freedoms but are generally just a collection of opinions of people who have no understanding of what they are talking about or worse - purposely lying for profit.

The amount of Pacific people in the NRL and there only being only a handful of players refusing the flu jab is probably an indicator that it is not as widespread amongst Pacific people as you think. An example, the warriors all got the jab and I think only three of their squad are not Pacific.

The flat earth stuff is not something I have seen in the community.
 
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