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At this stage I think we're screwed anyway. Even after every state/country went into lockdown the virus still got the old people. In Sweden they avoided lockdown but put extra protections in place for the nursing homes, and still it got into the nursing homes. Same thing happened in Australia. They're testing nursing home staff in Australia every day and have them under heavy protection, and we're still keep getting more infected staff.Yep I know. I generally try to qualify my statements by saying 'almost all' or 'most' deaths are above a certain age.
But the general point still stands. It would appear (based on current data in Australia) that by and large the only people at risk appear to be the elderly or those with existing conditions. So we should have a more targeted approach to restrictions towards these people rather than just blindly locking everyone down.
I basically agree with all of that.At this stage I think we're screwed anyway. Even after every state/country went into lockdown the virus still got the old people. In Sweden they avoided lockdown but put extra protections in place for the nursing homes, and still it got into the nursing homes. Same thing happened in Australia. They're testing nursing home staff in Australia every day and have them under heavy protection, and we're still keep getting more infected staff.
I don't think there's any way we can stop the virus, just slow it down. And when we ease restrictions I'm fully expecting a massive second wave that will result in many old people dying.
Yep exactly. That's my point - we have achieved what they set out to achieve (slow the curve and protect the hospital system), therefore in my book we should have already opened up parts of the economy.All that said, you have to remember that the strategy was never about preventing the unavoidable deaths. The strategy was about slowing down the pressure on the hospital system so there wouldn't be additional deaths on top of that.
This is what trips me out about this situation.Don't get me wrong though. I don't want anyone to die and the latest research shows that if we didn't lock down then we'd have at least 5,000 dead by now, a majority of them old people. Problem is that research is also suggesting that those 5,000+ deaths are still coming regardless, and that's just the start.
The main problem is that we only explain this as one curve because beyond that it becomes a big unknown.This is what trips me out about this situation.
I have been hearing people in the medical profession saying the worst has not even come yet - but if you look at the curve - we are smashing it. How is this going to continue and be worse in 4 weeks time, when we are as far ahead as we are?
The real question is: How long can we even maintain this state of lockdown? The economy is pretty much at breaking point and it pretty much is having a negative affect on people's mental health. Sooner or later people will start being sick and tired of being on lockdown and want normal life to resume.This is what trips me out about this situation.
I have been hearing people in the medical profession saying the worst has not even come yet - but if you look at the curve - we are smashing it. How is this going to continue and be worse in 4 weeks time, when we are as far ahead as we are?
I never believed, and don't believe the research. 5,000+ deaths wasn't going to happen. Even if it did, the government, the media have totally warped perspective on this virus, in comparison to other respiratory illness and its toll.Don't get me wrong though. I don't want anyone to die and the latest research shows that if we didn't lock down then we'd have at least 5,000 dead by now, a majority of them old people. Problem is that research is also suggesting that those 5,000+ deaths are still coming regardless, and that's just the start.
New York has a smaller population than Australia. They have 26,000 deaths. Sweden has half the population of Australia. They have 3,000 deaths. UK and Italy, 30,000 deaths each. 5,000 is a moderate number.I never believed, and don't believe the research. 5,000+ deaths wasn't going to happen. Even if it did, the government, the media have totally warped perspective on this virus, in comparison to other respiratory illness and its toll.
History tells us, repeatedly, that you should never let doctors and scientists govern policy. Their research tends to hard numbers in very narrow contexts, with no real grasps of complex realities. The Soviet Union is the reference standard for a catastrophic attempt at an engineered society.
Public discourse, as ever in this modern era, is also warped. You cannot even suggest that lockdown measures were not necessary, lest you be shouted down as some blood thirsting murderer.
Agree. It's really gross.Can you blame them for going full hog with restrictions , now there are calls royal commissions for the age care centre and every press conference get savaged by every death , like they are personally injecting people with the virus
Agree 5000 is nothing. I thought original predictions were towards the 100000 mark. If we stay anywhere near 5000 after this virus it’ll be a win in my mindNew York has a smaller population than Australia. They have 26,000 deaths. Sweden has half the population of Australia. They have 3,000 deaths. UK and Italy, 30,000 deaths each. 5,000 is a moderate number.
I'm not saying that the experts got everything right. They were working on projections of a new, unknown virus with very limited data. But the evidence is clear that this is a major issue.
That said, as I pointed out earlier. Sweden is literally the only country that has followed the scientific research as recommended by the WHO. Our lockdowns weren't based on a mass of scientific research. They were based on limited simulations and the government wanting to save as many lives as possible with a lot of guess work thrown in.
How accurate that will be still remains to be seen, and it's also debatable whether Sweden's approach worked or if they killed off a portion of their population for nothing.
Yep. Without any control measures they were looking at 200,000 so 5,000 is a blessing. Still many deaths though so the more we can save the better.Agree 5000 is nothing. I thought original predictions were towards the 100000 mark. If we stay anywhere near 5000 after this virus it’ll be a win in my mind
We're in trouble either option. Lock down or no lock down. The key thing is it's inevitable, they have to lift the lock down since there is no way we're going to wait for a vaccine.Don't get me wrong though. I don't want anyone to die and the latest research shows that if we didn't lock down then we'd have at least 5,000 dead by now, a majority of them old people. Problem is that research is also suggesting that those 5,000+ deaths are still coming regardless, and that's just the start.