Pay Admits Time Running Out

[Bazildog]

And what exactly am I expecting?

In that list I see 6 - 7 former or current rep players.

Tell me what has improved with the team, or even a player, in the last 3 years?

True.

But its probably a better debate than we think. 2017 we won 10 games (Hasler), 2018 we won 8 games, 2019 we won 10 games. But when you consider thru 2018/2019 was without the list of players below that were rep players or club favorites and we still had a win number that matched Haslers last year that had a better squad.

• James Graham
• Sam Kasiano
• David Klemmer
• Moses Mbye
• Brett Morris
• Josh Morris
• Josh Reynolds

Problem is, a shit season is still a shit season regardless of the reasons. Heckler reminded us all of the fact that since 1979 every coach (except K Moore) had made or won a GF until Pay, and to be honest unless a miracle happens later this year or maybe 2021 he wont get the chance to join them. There is validity in the salary cap drama and the treatment of our juniors. But, we do have enough cattle to be winning more and certainly competing better at the beginning of the season.

We simply did not turn up in round 1 and 2 in the same shape we showed at the end of 2019, and thats on the coaching department. I thought we went reasonably well in game 1 considering the distraction caused by 2 selfish fuckwits, but we were rabble in round 2..

The virus will save Pay for at least this year which is good for him, but the jury is out whether its good for us. I hope he makes it happen but the chances are getting slimmer.

 

[Spoonman84]

We simply did not turn up in round 1 and 2 in the same shape we showed at the end of 2019, and thats on the coaching department. I thought we went reasonably well in game 1 considering the distraction caused by 2 selfish fuckwits, but we were rabble in round 2..

I really wish the season just went one more week after round 2 it would have given us a huge insight into Pay's mindset if he selected Lewis or went with Averillo. It's one of those things we will never know now.

 

[bradyk]

True.

But its probably a better debate than we think. 2017 we won 10 games (Hasler), 2018 we won 8 games, 2019 we won 10 games. But when you consider thru 2018/2019 was without the list of players below that were rep players or club favorites and we still had a win number that matched Haslers last year that had a better squad.

• James Graham
• Sam Kasiano
• David Klemmer
• Moses Mbye
• Brett Morris
• Josh Morris
• Josh Reynolds

Problem is, a shit season is still a shit season regardless of the reasons. Heckler reminded us all of the fact that since 1979 every coach (except K Moore) had made or won a GF until Pay, and to be honest unless a miracle happens later this year or maybe 2021 he wont get the chance to join them. There is validity in the salary cap drama and the treatment of our juniors. But, we do have enough cattle to be winning more and certainly competing better at the beginning of the season.

We simply did not turn up in round 1 and 2 in the same shape we showed at the end of 2019, and thats on the coaching department. I thought we went reasonably well in game 1 considering the distraction caused by 2 selfish fuckwits, but we were rabble in round 2..

The virus will save Pay for at least this year which is good for him, but the jury is out whether its good for us. I hope he makes it happen but the chances are getting slimmer.

We really don't have enough cattle to be winning more. Why do you think this? We have an average or below average NRL player in every position when you compare us to other teams (what I mean by this is we don't have many players that're in the top 16 or 32 in their position - 1 hooker per team = 16, 2 wingers per team = 32). No top players or X-Factor.

I also don't think the Coronavius affects Pay's situation at all (regarding being re-signed). It was always going to happen unless a top coach became available (or pay got the wooden spoon).

 

[Bad Billy]

If that doesn't bother you, then does scoring 13 points a game last season? Or 15 ppg over Pay's two seasons?

Absolutely, it does.
I’m not a Pay fanboy, by any stretch. Just pointing out that some of the arguments against him are flawed.
If he was to go tomorrow, I wouldn’t be fussed.

 

[Bazildog]

I really wish the season just went one more week after round 2 it would have given us a huge insight into Pay's mindset if he selected Lewis or went with Averillo. It's one of those things we will never know now.

I am a fan of Lewis which I know is unpopular..(Put ya thowin tomatoes and rotten fruit back in the boxes you mongrels..) but he was poor in the first 2 games and should never have been pumped up as the leader of the backs, waiting to see who will join him. No-one in this squad should consider themselves a locked in starter they should all be thinking they are playing to stay at the club. (Fear is an awesome motivator)

But we will never know now what Pay would have done, but I am betting the he would have played Lewis at 7 again with Averillo on the bench. I only base this on previous Pay thought process and not wanting to look like he got it wrong which was also Desballs problem, ego not allowing reasonable decision making.

 

[Bazildog]

We really don't have enough cattle to be winning more. Why do you think this? We have an average or below average NRL player in every position when you compare us to other teams (what I mean by this is we don't have many players that're in the top 16 or 32 in their position - 1 hooker per team = 16, 2 wingers per team = 32). No top players or X-Factor.

I also don't think the Coronavius affects Pay's situation at all (regarding being re-signed). It was always going to happen unless a top coach became available (or pay got the wooden spoon).

Because Melbourne is a great example of average players suddenly playing like superstars. It doesn't always happen, I thought Kas would end up being a monster at the Storm but it finished his career with a whimper. I think a coach like Bellamy, Bennett or even Mag (Im not a fan) might get a better win ratio from our current squad than Pay has but we will never know unless our players go somewhere else and improve out of sight or we get one of these coaches.

The virus ensures he gets a crack at 2021 and maybe a couple more players, had we continued with this season 10 round wins or there about would have been the same result and I think unrest and pressure might have forced the boards hand if the had another option.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Bulldogs fan here: he should move to Perth . He would have that extra 3 hours

Daylight saving finished last week, it's only 2 hours now (and about 20 years but that's a whole other subject).

Go Dogs

 

[youoboys]

Daylight saving finished last week, it's only 2 hours now (and about 20 years but that's a whole other subject).

Go Dogs

Bulldogs fan here: true but if he drive up to Margaret river , takes an hour so 3 hours

 

[Dogtime]

Interview with Dean Pay...admits time running out for him to secure his future at Belmore but that the season suspension is a blessing in terms of getting Foz and other injured players back on deck.

Was due to meet with the board this week after the traditional Good Friday game against the Wabbits which of course didn't happen.

Rumours of a 2-year extension being tabled - cue the outrage on TK!

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/nrl-ca...-of-time/0555f10c-ae37-4e4c-b96d-b0568c455e33

Fully support Pay getting a 2 year extension. We showed enough in Round 1 to suggest Pay has the respect of the playing group. Round 2 was an aberration. Pay and Dogs go hand in hand.

 

[boggie23]

My worry isn’t at all with our winning streak or any of that. He inherited a horror show. Even Bennett would have struggled with the Hasler, Dib, Castle train wreck.

The worrying thing is he has a winger playing fullback. A winger playing Center. A midget playing wing. A unskilled player playing halfback. You wonder why we can’t score points? We have a half that his best assets are a big boot and tackling. Couldn’t set up a play on madden 2020 if he had the manual in front of him.

Our biggest recruit for 2020 is a prop. Our hookerS have been hot and cold for the whole 2 years plus under his reign. He chops and changes more then salt bae. And he carrying a halfback for the last 6-7 games of the season without playing him.

No coach will make this team competitive. But what worries me is the lack of ideas he has. The guy never really coached a team. He never had a squad to manage before which I see as a big blight on him. He wasn’t a career coach. More so a career assistant who coached a rep team. This is a very very average NRL squad which isn’t his fault. The worrying thing is the way we have played, our 5 year old errors game after game. Play the ball infringements. Drop balls, forward passes. We aren’t a team that can win a comp. but are you telling me we can’t roll the ball between our legs. We can’t pick up a ball without dropping it. We can’t score more then 2 try’s a game. That’s his biggest blight. Not the squad so much. But definitely his selections and the way we play. I don’t know about others but I can’t see a justification of giving him a 2 year extension after that.

 

[TwinTurbo]

My worry isn’t at all with our winning streak or any of that. He inherited a horror show. Even Bennett would have struggled with the Hasler, Dib, Castle train wreck.

The worrying thing is he has a winger playing fullback. A winger playing Center. A midget playing wing. A unskilled player playing halfback. You wonder why we can’t score points? We have a half that his best assets are a big boot and tackling. Couldn’t set up a play on madden 2020 if he had the manual in front of him.

Our biggest recruit for 2020 is a prop. Our hookerS have been hot and cold for the whole 2 years plus under his reign. He chops and changes more then salt bae. And he carrying a halfback for the last 6-7 games of the season without playing him.

No coach will make this team competitive. But what worries me is the lack of ideas he has. The guy never really coached a team. He never had a squad to manage before which I see as a big blight on him. He wasn’t a career coach. More so a career assistant who coached a rep team. This is a very very average NRL squad which isn’t his fault. The worrying thing is the way we have played, our 5 year old errors game after game. Play the ball infringements. Drop balls, forward passes. We aren’t a team that can win a comp. but are you telling me we can’t roll the ball between our legs. We can’t pick up a ball without dropping it. We can’t score more then 2 try’s a game. That’s his biggest blight. Not the squad so much. But definitely his selections and the way we play. I don’t know about others but I can’t see a justification of giving him a 2 year extension after that.

And yet with all that horribleness we still didn't finish last, or even 2nd or 3rd last. Which based on our severely Cap limited roster and the opinions of the "expert commentators" and the bookies (always follow the money) we should have finished last in both seasons.

We may not be happy with that, but the facts is by any measure we overachieved.

Go Dogs

 

[B-Train]

And yet with all that horribleness we still didn't finish last, or even 2nd or 3rd last. Which based on our severely Cap limited roster and the opinions of the "expert commentators" and the bookies (always follow the money) we should have finished last in both seasons.

We may not be happy with that, but the facts is by any measure we overachieved.

Go Dogs

Since when do the bookies and experts always get it right? They're wrong all of the time. In 2019 Brisbane were nearly favourites to win the comp and they finished 8th and lost in the finals by 50. Newcastle were also tipped to make the top 4 and compete for a title and missed the top 8. Manly were tipped to come near last and made the 8.

By the way, the difference in finishing 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th or 16th is negligible as all of those teams are poor and all had poor seasons. Trying to argue that finishing 12th as opposed to 16th is some sort of accomplishment by any measure is bizarre to say the least.

We averaged 14 points per game last season which was worst in the comp and had the second worst for and against of -155. I can't fathom how that's considered overachieving, even in anyone's Bulldog/Dean Pay coloured glasses.

 

[racin jason]

Maybe Covid-19 is a blessing in disguise. Given hat we normally time our end of year resurgence around August, it might now be early enough to win a few more games and make the finals....

 

[Papa Emeritus]

Maybe Covid-19 is a blessing in disguise. Given hat we normally time our end of year resurgence around August, it might now be early enough to win a few more games and make the finals....

The blessing is we don't have to watch our crappy team lose every week. Hopefully we do get some decent game time in though so that we can still get rid of some fat after this season ends. I don't wanna be stuck in a position where this season did not happen and we have to give everyone a 1 year extension.

 

[2144superman]

I’m no Pay fan BUT I don’t get all the love on here for Flanno!

I don’t see how Flanno would be a step up from Pay. Bellamy, Bennett, Lam, Macguire ect but Flanno? Mehh

 

[Trafford10]

I don't think Pay can do much with our current squad, which is, lets be honest well below average.
Is next season's saary cap still going to be $9.9 million? Who knows.

 

[CaptainJackson]

I really wish the season just went one more week after round 2 it would have given us a huge insight into Pay's mindset if he selected Lewis or went with Averillo. It's one of those things we will never know now.

You just know he's going give Lewis a clean slate and start him as halfback again

 

[2ndphase]

You just know he's going give Lewis a clean slate and start him as halfback again

Agree! Thats why Pay needs to step away from the head coach position.

 

[Scorpio]

I’m no Pay fan BUT I don’t get all the love on here for Flanno!

I don’t see how Flanno would be a step up from Pay. Bellamy, Bennett, Lam, Macguire ect but Flanno? Mehh

Flanno had the ability to attract genuine first grade players to his club. He also knew where his team was weak and strengthened it by purchasing specialised players to play in those weak positions.

From what i have seen with Dean Pay, he hasn't got the nous to attract quality players to our club....

 

[CaptainJackson]

Flanno had the ability to attract genuine first grade players to his club. H

They cheated the salary cap to do that.

But it's ok greenburg said they were under the cap on grand final day with the 17 players playing