CHN and Okunbor de-registered

[Tassie Devil]

Section 10s.
Busted the myth you can't get them twice.
Just need to argue the case

You're one bad moatherfucker ....

 

[Tassie Devil]

Yeah I really don’t want to dwell over this saga either.
As a supporter my only concern is going out to support the team and seeing us return to the top again.
I need to be honest and say Corey was one of my favourite players

Sure hope he is replaced with someone that has either the same skill set or better.

That's it mate. ONwards and hopefully upwards. Everything's a mess atm so let's wait out this storm and see what's at the end of EVERYTHING!

 

[Alexander the Great]

Section 32.applications don't count as s.10 bonds nasheed.

Section 10s.
Busted the myth you can't get them twice.
Just need to argue the case

 

[DinkumDog]

Great post. Very on point.

I was under the impression that there were club officlas and a board member preser present but I'm glad you cleared that up. I'll retract that comment.

Im sure its a criminal offence though. Just because a s.10 dismissal or bond is given you and its not on your record as convicted it does stay on our record and you are not eligible for another one unless your very lucky.
He was charged by the police so its clear to me that a offence has taken place.

No worries. It's called a Conditional Release Order, which in effect is a good behaviour bond.
If you break the terms of the bond by committing another offence during the term of the bond, you are re-sentenced on both offences.
Other than that, there was a charge, yes - but no conviction and no record (specifically in Elliot's case).
You sound like you have some knowledge on the matter, so all good.

We probably won't agree on much more on this issue, but I've enjoyed the debate.
I'm happy to leave it here and move on. Cheers.

 

[Nasheed]

No worries. It's called a Conditional Release Order, which in effect is a good behaviour bond.
If you break the terms of the bond by committing another offence during the term of the bond, you are re-sentenced on both offences.
Other than that, there was a charge, yes - but no conviction and no record (specifically in Elliot's case).
You sound like you have some knowledge on the matter, so all good.

We probably won't agree on much more on this issue, but I've enjoyed the debate.
I'm happy to leave it here and move on. Cheers.

But here's the thing.

conditionsl orders and section 10s are still guilty convictions. Just don't show up in a standard police check.

but for international immigration it counts as a conviction so will fuck u up if u go to England or the North American nations
My research says you could lie about Canada but that's a dangerous game few here, bar me and perhaps @wendog33 have the cunning mind to play.

 

[DinkumDog]

But here's the thing.

conditionsl orders and section 10s are still guilty convictions. Just don't show up in a standard police check.

but for international immigration it counts as a conviction so will fuck u up if u go to England or the North American nations
My research says you could lie about Canada but that's a dangerous game few here, bar me and perhaps @wendog33 have the cunning mind to play.

There are two types of CRO - one with and one without conviction - so it depends which one applies to any individual case.
The rest of your post I have no idea and no comment on.

 

[wendog33]

You can perhaps enlighten me as well N

But here's the thing.

conditionsl orders and section 10s are still guilty convictions. Just don't show up in a standard police check.

but for international immigration it counts as a conviction so will fuck u up if u go to England or the North American nations
My research says you could lie about Canada but that's a dangerous game few here, bar me and perhaps @wendog33 have the cunning mind to play.

 

[wendog33]

But here's the thing.

conditionsl orders and section 10s are still guilty convictions. Just don't show up in a standard police check.

but for international immigration it counts as a conviction so will fuck u up if u go to England or the North American nations
My research says you could lie about Canada but that's a dangerous game few here, bar me and perhaps @wendog33 have the cunning mind to play.

Oops sorry...Rule 20A, Sub section 10b The Kennel Guidelines ..thou shalt reply below the line henceforth

 

[Alexander the Great]

Good debate. Its good when it doesn't get personal.


Thanks for your time.

No worries. It's called a Conditional Release Order, which in effect is a good behaviour bond.
If you break the terms of the bond by committing another offence during the term of the bond, you are re-sentenced on both offences.
Other than that, there was a charge, yes - but no conviction and no record (specifically in Elliot's case).
You sound like you have some knowledge on the matter, so all good.

We probably won't agree on much more on this issue, but I've enjoyed the debate.
I'm happy to leave it here and move on. Cheers.

 

[Nasheed]

There are two types of CRO - one with and one without conviction - so it depends which one applies to any individual case.
The rest of your post I have no idea and no comment on.

But to receive a CRO, you must plead 'GUILTY' to obtain one.

so in immigration law, especially the USA, once you've gone to court and said guilty, even if the judge lets u off, you have. Conviction. USA doesn't recognise this concept.
That's why thugs with just a Coke section 10 charge can't get in. Without going through a lot of hoops, none of which worth attempting before 5 years from court date.

 

[Nasheed]

You can perhaps enlighten me as well Nig

well to understand the answer we must first understand Canadian immigration law. Something Nasheed knows from general interest.

canada have immigration law much stricter than USA. For example. Drinking and driving has a team year ban from Canada. As does low level assault. miss don't care about those crimes, Canada does.
They ask you to declare ANY criminal arrests and convictions. Arrest is a key word here.

youre fucked if you have it.


But here's the thing, only myself and yourself could understand.

unlike the USA. Canada request a standard police check. This hides CROs and section 10s so in theory Canada will never know your thug ways. Especially since most crimes in NSW expire from record 7 years.

USA on the other hand play this game better and strictly request an open police record. This shows your section 10s. You can't hide.

 

[Alexander the Great]

Not really. I've seen a few people plead not guilty amd it goes for hearing and would be found guilty but with a clean record, good character references and family support get issued with a section 10 bond.

This was a few years back when I was in and out of jail and had to attend court. It may have changed now but it is possible

But to receive a CRO, you must plead 'GUILTY' to obtain one.

so in immigration law, especially the USA, once you've gone to court and said guilty, even if the judge lets u off, you have. Conviction. USA doesn't recognise this concept.
That's why thugs with just a Coke section 10 charge can't get in. Without going through a lot of hoops, none of which worth attempting before 5 years from court date.

 

[Nasheed]

Not really. I've seen a few situation's that go for hearing would and would be found guilty but with a clean record, good character references and family support get issued with a section 10 bond.

This was a few years back when I was in and out of jail and had to attend court. It may have changed now but it is possible

you can't get a section 10 without trust admitting to the crime.
Otherwise it's just not guilty?

 

[Alexander the Great]

S.10 bond you can get it found guilty after your hearing and plea of not guilty.
I've seen it happen with my own eyes.
They go to hearing get found guilty but the magistrate has taken into account the crim history and other factors. Also it helps if you get a solid lawyer. Brian Wrench is the best in the game.
Court costs and other fees you have to pay but it can happen mate.

you can't get a section 10 without trust admitting to the crime.
Otherwise it's just not guilty?

 

[Nasheed]

No worries. It's called a Conditional Release Order, which in effect is a good behaviour bond.
If you break the terms of the bond by committing another offence during the term of the bond, you are re-sentenced on both offences.
Other than that, there was a charge, yes - but no conviction and no record (specifically in Elliot's case).
You sound like you have some knowledge on the matter, so all good.

We probably won't agree on much more on this issue, but I've enjoyed the debate.
I'm happy to leave it here and move on. Cheers.

this is where you've gotten it completely wrong.
It's no conviction RECORDED but it's still a conviction. And you do have a record. Any arrest or court appearance forms a record. Think about it, how could a judge know you've offended in the past otherwise to give you a first or second chance? You're referring to an expungement. Virtually unheard of here.

Just a bit of background on me.
I used to go to court and defend all the local Lebs from the area. Good money. Wasn't a lawyer with no degree but no one checks.
A guy ended up getting life when he should have only got 2 years so I figured I was over my head in some stuff but I was good play f low level game. Low level Arab crime for fighting etc international law to smuggle 'wives' in etc

 

[DogsOfWar1704]

I dare say chn will be back in the nrl within a year or two. Hopefully comes back to the dogs and learns his lesson.
I swear something always happens to my favourite dogs players. First barba left then Reynolds then mbye and klemmer now chn. Don’t think I’ll be choosing a favourite from now on

 

[Nasheed]

I dare say chn will be back in the nrl within a year or two. Hopefully comes back to the dogs and learns his lesson.
I swear something always happens to my favourite dogs players. First barba left then Reynolds then mbye and klemmer now chn. Don’t think I’ll be choosing a favourite from now on

Stopped reading when you said mbye was your favourite player.
Check yourself.

 

[The DoggFather]

Three what?

3 black guys with arthritis in his fingers?

 

[Tassie Devil]

3 black guys with arthritis in his fingers?

Makes complete sense to me get some sleep mate!

 

[The DoggFather]

Makes complete sense to me get some sleep mate!

Fkn wish bro....

PS I was referencing the photo he used lol