News Jayden Okunbor and Corey Harawira-Naera stood down

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Sorry Howard but two wrongs don't make a right, no matter what the circumstances......the two players in question would have been well aware that they were representing our club, the game and the NRL at the time of their indiscretions. They also would have been well aware of the implications of their actions well in advance but chose lust with school girls over professionalism. Maybe they thought that no one would find out but as Gus said on the six tackles podcast nothing remains hidden in rugby league and the truth will always come out.

and like I keep saying, I don't disagree with the fact they broke the rules re the hotel, and they deserve to be punished for that, but I don't think any player would imagine that having consensual sex with another adult would be blown so out of proportion
 

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Can anyone fill me in on what happened with the teacher?
Have read to death the story about the girls with Dick Fingers and CHN but nothing on the teacher situation.
 

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Not sure what you're getting at mate.

At the end of the day, the timing with the sponsor is the thing that's hurt us.

Yes, they made a mistake, they need to be punished, but sacking / deregistering them etc is a tad extreme imo.

Ask yourself what is worse? Video footage of players stomping on a woman's head during the act? Players bashing bounces? Players kicking doors in and assaulting ppl? Players drink driving? Or players having consenting sex in a team hotel?

This is a club matter that should have been dealt with behind closed doors, why did a statement even have to be made? Nothing illegal happened.
Can we stop comparing against other clubs and focus on what happened? Can we do that for one second?

The club openly said it wanted to get back to its principles. Back to the Bulldog DNA which centres around being a family club. Whether you agree with that focus or not, this is the values upon which they were elected and then reelected so clearly most of you agree(d) with that approach.

This situation goes compeltely against those principles and values that the club had fought so hard to reestablish into the DNA of the current team. What image does it give to potential young footballers, in particular their parents, if we went soft on this? To potential new sponsors (already lost one) if we went soft on this? We present ourselves as one thing (a family club) but then the reality is very very different. No potential footballer's family, nor sponsor would want anything to do with that.

The point I was trying to make, and which you touched on, is that losing that potential sponsor literally a day before it was supposed to be revealed gives us no other option but to act tough. I actually think there's a chance to get them back as our sponsor at a later date this year, if we manage to rectify the situation somewhat. But had we simply swept it under the rug what image does that give?

We have no other option but to come down on them hard, and I've got absolutely no sympathy for them. I'm amazed so many of you on here do. The trials and tribulations this club has been through over the years is secret to none, especially the players, so to put us under the magnifying glass again ...
 

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Can we stop comparing against other clubs and focus on what happened? Can we do that for one second?

The club openly said it wanted to get back to its principles. Back to the Bulldog DNA which centres around being a family club. Whether you agree with that focus or not, this is the values upon which they were elected and then reelected so clearly most of you agree(d) with that approach.

This situation goes compeltely against those principles and values that the club had fought so hard to reestablish into the DNA of the current team. What image does it give to potential young footballers, in particular their parents, if we went soft on this? To potential new sponsors (already lost one) if we went soft on this? We present ourselves as one thing (a family club) but then the reality is very very different. No potential footballer's family, nor sponsor would want anything to do with that.

The point I was trying to make, and which you touched on, is that losing that potential sponsor literally a day before it was supposed to be revealed gives us no other option but to act tough. I actually think there's a chance to get them back as our sponsor at a later date this year, if we manage to rectify the situation somewhat. But had we simply swept it under the rug what image does that give?

We have no other option but to come down on them hard, and I've got absolutely no sympathy for them. I'm amazed so many of you on here do. The trials and tribulations this club has been through over the years is secret to none, especially the players, so to put us under the magnifying glass again ...
It’s not about sympathy, it’s about fairness and equality. Being judged, punished and treated the same as every other club and administration in the NRL! That’s what we want. We aren’t about sympathy at all. We aren’t blinded to the stupidity and unprofessional behaviour all be it not illegal. We compare and make comparisons to other situations at other clubs because they keep getting lighter sentences and keep their stars without suspension and or expulsion.
 

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and like I keep saying, I don't disagree with the fact they broke the rules re the hotel, and they deserve to be punished for that, but I don't think any player would imagine that having consensual sex with another adult would be blown so out of proportion
It's the circumstances around it that lead to this.

People are holding onto this 'consensual age' or 'nothing illegal happened' story as if it actually means anything. I get it, because I imagine that's what you're holding onto when copping a spray from your mates about the Bulldogs. I did the same during the Coffs Harbour shitstorm.

The issue here isn't about the women at all. It's that they went against our strict club rules. Rules that were set on the back of intense media frenzy around our club after the Mad Monday shit, the porno films, Coffs Harbour etc. etc. Every player knows how hard the club has been working to turn our imagine around, to rebrand the Bulldogs. FFS that's the reason we were up there, and at schools in the first place

Whether they started the process at the school or not, it's clear Okunbor knew she was a schoolgirl from the school he had just been at. This isn't about picking some chick up on Tinder or wherever, he knew she was from school. Based on that it was clear the shitfight that would follow if he got caught. He risked his career, but more importantly the career of his teammates and the club's reputation on his dick.

The NRL have linked this whole situation to his school visit, and even though that may be extreme Okunbor gave them the rope to hang us with. Blown out of proportion? With CHN I do think that he should face punishment for breaking club rules, but I think it's extremely harsh the attention he's getting because of the Okunbor issue. I do feel sorry for him to a point.

But Okunbor ... for a supervisor, role model, coach, whatever way you want to put it ... for one of these to go to a school function and end up fucking one of the girls ... they'd immediately lose their job. You know they would. Imagine if a police officer did that? Or a substitute teacher? Or a nurse? Anyone of these and they'd be sacked immediately. Why's it different for Okunbor?

Because she's of legal age? That's not the point and surely you and everyone else understands that. He's in a position of power in being at that school so it's ethically wrong to do what he did. No matter how happy sh was to go along with it.
 

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It's the circumstances around it that lead to this.

People are holding onto this 'consensual age' or 'nothing illegal happened' story as if it actually means anything. I get it, because I imagine that's what you're holding onto when copping a spray from your mates about the Bulldogs. I did the same during the Coffs Harbour shitstorm.

The issue here isn't about the women at all. It's that they went against our strict club rules. Rules that were set on the back of intense media frenzy around our club after the Mad Monday shit, the porno films, Coffs Harbour etc. etc. Every player knows how hard the club has been working to turn our imagine around, to rebrand the Bulldogs. FFS that's the reason we were up there, and at schools in the first place

Whether they started the process at the school or not, it's clear Okunbor knew she was a schoolgirl from the school he had just been at. This isn't about picking some chick up on Tinder or wherever, he knew she was from school. Based on that it was clear the shitfight that would follow if he got caught. He risked his career, but more importantly the career of his teammates and the club's reputation on his dick.

The NRL have linked this whole situation to his school visit, and even though that may be extreme Okunbor gave them the rope to hang us with. Blown out of proportion? With CHN I do think that he should face punishment for breaking club rules, but I think it's extremely harsh the attention he's getting because of the Okunbor issue. I do feel sorry for him to a point.

But Okunbor ... for a supervisor, role model, coach, whatever way you want to put it ... for one of these to go to a school function and end up fucking one of the girls ... they'd immediately lose their job. You know they would. Imagine if a police officer did that? Or a substitute teacher? Or a nurse? Anyone of these and they'd be sacked immediately. Why's it different for Okunbor?

Because she's of legal age? That's not the point and surely you and everyone else understands that. He's in a position of power in being at that school so it's ethically wrong to do what he did. No matter how happy sh was to go along with it.
While I am not disagreeing with you, it looks like break the law, no worries, break nrlol rules, you're fucked.
 

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I would raise them better than that, they went voluntarily, and I already said that it was dumb and stupid by the players, that’s all it is
And yes obviously id be pissed off, thats why i said that okunbor has a case to answer, with chn its a little different cause it was apparently done on the outside so suspension or fine would suffice
Such a cop out comment, sorry. The whole "I would raise them better than that" is such a pathetic line people push out to make out that the girls are the problem, not the adults.

The reality of this situation, and many like it, is that teenagers simply don't have the maturity to deal with many things in life. Large reason why they can't legally drink till they're 18, nor vote. Having worked a lot with teens it's incredible the things children from well-respected families get up to. Their parents are brilliant and communciate clearly very high morale standards but the children still make the wrong choice.

Just find your position on this as a little braindead personally as it absorbs any responsibility from the adults and puts it onto the teens. They should've been raised better. Their upbringing lacked the morale lessons it should've had etc. etc.

Got news for you pal. Many of the biggest apparent 'fuckups' in life had an amazing upbringing and were raised with very high morale standards. Stop bringing up such dumbarse comments
 

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While I am not disagreeing with you, it looks like break the law, no worries, break nrlol rules, you're fucked.
I'll word it differently for you,

Breaking the law, no wokkas...
Breaking a chicks back out, bad fuckas!! :tongueclosed:
 

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Can we stop comparing against other clubs and focus on what happened? Can we do that for one second?

The club openly said it wanted to get back to its principles. Back to the Bulldog DNA which centres around being a family club. Whether you agree with that focus or not, this is the values upon which they were elected and then reelected so clearly most of you agree(d) with that approach.

This situation goes compeltely against those principles and values that the club had fought so hard to reestablish into the DNA of the current team. What image does it give to potential young footballers, in particular their parents, if we went soft on this? To potential new sponsors (already lost one) if we went soft on this? We present ourselves as one thing (a family club) but then the reality is very very different. No potential footballer's family, nor sponsor would want anything to do with that.

The point I was trying to make, and which you touched on, is that losing that potential sponsor literally a day before it was supposed to be revealed gives us no other option but to act tough. I actually think there's a chance to get them back as our sponsor at a later date this year, if we manage to rectify the situation somewhat. But had we simply swept it under the rug what image does that give?

We have no other option but to come down on them hard, and I've got absolutely no sympathy for them. I'm amazed so many of you on here do. The trials and tribulations this club has been through over the years is secret to none, especially the players, so to put us under the magnifying glass again ...
I've gotta agree. Forget about other situations/players/clubs. Let's just focus on the facts of what happened here, and apply what is the right thing to do. Living overseas I'm a little out of touch and not up to date, but it seems optically, what JO did was ethically wrong and ultimately cost us $2m. If any one of us screwed up at work, costing the employer $2m, what would happen. Where I am totally in the dark is this teacher bit and Corey bit...
 

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While I am not disagreeing with you, it looks like break the law, no worries, break nrlol rules, you're fucked.
Don't care about the NRL in the slightest.

We need to treat this as a Bulldog issue and deal with it accordingly. We seem to be doing that. We get fined by the NRL, so be it. Don't care. Is it fair? Don't care. Want to club to stick to what it's building. Be true to the values of the club. Do that and kick Okunbor out without doubt. CHN .... I think it'd be really harsh imo.
 

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It’s not about sympathy, it’s about fairness and equality. Being judged, punished and treated the same as every other club and administration in the NRL! That’s what we want. We aren’t about sympathy at all. We aren’t blinded to the stupidity and unprofessional behaviour all be it not illegal. We compare and make comparisons to other situations at other clubs because they keep getting lighter sentences and keep their stars without suspension and or expulsion.
Don't care about other clubs. Really don't. The board was elected on the basis that we would have a set culture. We need to stick to those values. Make decisions based on those values. It's what I believe we're doing. Couldn't care less if other clubs do or don't do what we're doing. I'm proud we're making a stance and will applaud Okunbor's sacking.
 

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It's the circumstances around it that lead to this.

People are holding onto this 'consensual age' or 'nothing illegal happened' story as if it actually means anything. I get it, because I imagine that's what you're holding onto when copping a spray from your mates about the Bulldogs. I did the same during the Coffs Harbour shitstorm.

The issue here isn't about the women at all. It's that they went against our strict club rules. Rules that were set on the back of intense media frenzy around our club after the Mad Monday shit, the porno films, Coffs Harbour etc. etc. Every player knows how hard the club has been working to turn our imagine around, to rebrand the Bulldogs. FFS that's the reason we were up there, and at schools in the first place

Whether they started the process at the school or not, it's clear Okunbor knew she was a schoolgirl from the school he had just been at. This isn't about picking some chick up on Tinder or wherever, he knew she was from school. Based on that it was clear the shitfight that would follow if he got caught. He risked his career, but more importantly the career of his teammates and the club's reputation on his dick.

The NRL have linked this whole situation to his school visit, and even though that may be extreme Okunbor gave them the rope to hang us with. Blown out of proportion? With CHN I do think that he should face punishment for breaking club rules, but I think it's extremely harsh the attention he's getting because of the Okunbor issue. I do feel sorry for him to a point.

But Okunbor ... for a supervisor, role model, coach, whatever way you want to put it ... for one of these to go to a school function and end up fucking one of the girls ... they'd immediately lose their job. You know they would. Imagine if a police officer did that? Or a substitute teacher? Or a nurse? Anyone of these and they'd be sacked immediately. Why's it different for Okunbor?

Because she's of legal age? That's not the point and surely you and everyone else understands that. He's in a position of power in being at that school so it's ethically wrong to do what he did. No matter how happy sh was to go along with it.

I keep hearing about these club rules but nobody has posted them up? what's the rule you are referring to? "don't have sex?" and if the club does have such a rule then why is there young half naked girls (cheerleaders) at every game to be lusted after?
 

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I keep hearing about these club rules but nobody has posted them up? what's the rule you are referring to? "don't have sex?" and if the club does have such a rule then why is there young half naked girls (cheerleaders) at every game to be lusted after?
Don't bring girls to the hotel. Don't pick up school children from school visits. Don't contact children from school visits. Don't touch children from school visits.

And you're now connecting cheerleaders to having sex? Fair enough. I guess it's dumb proving he's dumber
 

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I keep hearing about these club rules but nobody has posted them up? what's the rule you are referring to? "don't have sex?" and if the club does have such a rule then why is there young half naked girls (cheerleaders) at every game to be lusted after?
I see two rules broken, which i would say is both club and nrl policies.

1) Don't bring anyone back to the hotel, specially women.

2) Don't bring the game into disrepute.

Unfortunately, they have done that.
 

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and like I keep saying, I don't disagree with the fact they broke the rules re the hotel, and they deserve to be punished for that, but I don't think any player would imagine that having consensual sex with another adult would be blown so out of proportion
How can anyone be considered an adult at the age of sixteen??? At sixteen teens are still naive and can be easily misled. Can a sixteen year old legally buy alcohol, tobacco, x rated adult content etc, etc...... The answer is no!!! But yet at 16 they are old enough to have consequential sex, even though they lack experience, wisdom, and judgement that comes with age. If anything the law is flawed.
 

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How can anyone be considered an adult at the age of sixteen??? At sixteen teens are still naive and can be easily misled. Can a sixteen year old legally buy alcohol, tobacco, x rated adult content etc, etc...... The answer is no!!! But yet at 16 they are old enough to have consequential sex, even though they lack experience, wisdom, and judgement that comes with age. If anything the law is flawed.
The law in many peoples views may be flawed BUT it is still the law and so the sex was consensual and LEGAL.
 

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The law in many peoples views may be flawed BUT it is still the law and so the sex was consensual and LEGAL.
They met while he was running a clinic at a school. He knew she was a student at that school. Whether it's legal or illegal, it's highly immoral and irresponsible so he deserves all the pain he's going to get. In any other industry he'd already be out the door ...
 

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The law in many peoples views may be flawed BUT it is still the law and so the sex was consensual and LEGAL.
To the word of the law it may be legal but at 16 years old you are still green between the ears which makes what took place morally corrupt.
 
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I totally get okunbour is dumb and continuing on with a girl from school he has to go but if chn was on a tinder date surely he is off the hook?
 

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Can we stop comparing against other clubs and focus on what happened? Can we do that for one second?

The club openly said it wanted to get back to its principles. Back to the Bulldog DNA which centres around being a family club. Whether you agree with that focus or not, this is the values upon which they were elected and then reelected so clearly most of you agree(d) with that approach.

This situation goes compeltely against those principles and values that the club had fought so hard to reestablish into the DNA of the current team. What image does it give to potential young footballers, in particular their parents, if we went soft on this? To potential new sponsors (already lost one) if we went soft on this? We present ourselves as one thing (a family club) but then the reality is very very different. No potential footballer's family, nor sponsor would want anything to do with that.

The point I was trying to make, and which you touched on, is that losing that potential sponsor literally a day before it was supposed to be revealed gives us no other option but to act tough. I actually think there's a chance to get them back as our sponsor at a later date this year, if we manage to rectify the situation somewhat. But had we simply swept it under the rug what image does that give?

We have no other option but to come down on them hard, and I've got absolutely no sympathy for them. I'm amazed so many of you on here do. The trials and tribulations this club has been through over the years is secret to none, especially the players, so to put us under the magnifying glass again ...
This family club bullshit has to stop. Your heroes from the 80s and 90s banged
More girls in their career than you have spoken to at the pub. Fucking sick of this family
Club shit
 
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