News Brandon Wakeham will start in the halves for Canterbury in their season opener against Parramatta

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I think Holland is not a bad player, he’s a good utility as he can play centre and wing well, can slot in at dummy half or play full back.
My biggest criticism of Holland is that he doesn’t have the physique of most nrl players and therefore gets manhandled
He really needs to bulk up to become more useful to the team
 

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He was talking about Averillo can cover 1-7.
Im not a fan of Holland either but if one of JMK or Katoa is injured he is the best we have..

But if JMK and Katoa are playing id like Averillo as our utility and bring him into the game slowly with the speed of the game.

If everyone took their blue and white goggles off they would know that we are just making up the numbers this year.
This year should be about blooding youngsters through year and getting them ready for next year.
We have some talent coming through the ranks.
I don’t think we can win the gf but we can definitely make the 8 and compete
This year shouldn’t be about blooding youngsters it’s about having a red hot crack
With an attitude of going out to compete and try and get as far as we can, that is how teams and players grow and develop and bond
 

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Hopefully they find a spot for to’omago he has been the most impressive prospect through the trials!
Of the forwards, yes. Him and Britt for mine.
As for the backs, i think averilo has earned the right to play fg this year. It just depwnds on injury and form.
We have plenty of competition for spots surprisingly enough, and o think it will really push our fg team this year.
 

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Yessssss, its happening. At least give Wakeham the first 5 rounds to show us how he directs the side. Lewis needs to trust him and not hog the ball, all the kicking etc. While Hollands defence is suspect, in the last 15 of both halves he reminds me of Josh Reynolds, big energy, will be there to finish off a try if a break is made and will add some zip around the ruck. Give JMK 50-55 mins and Holland 25 (10-15 of each half). Holland supporting a Toomaga or CHN could be a good thing. Bring on the Eels, the upset is on!
Year's on and still everyone bags Holland's defense. But you all forget that he was marking up outside Frawley if i remember correctly, and this was most of the problem.
 

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We'll have much more opportunities in attack with Wakeham in the halves, as he understands how to build a game and knows what is required in different scenarios. Cogger and Lewis both struggle with kick selection and it plays a huge part as to why so often teams are starting their sets closer to half way
 

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Holland had approx 40 minutes at dummy half in each of the trials and also filled in at centre,take this with what he has done as a utility in the past and obviously Pay thinks he can do the job.Nobody else has had that that I can think of. As I have said before the coach needs to pick and stick and stop trying to find a magic solution.IMO if he had done this from day one we would have had an experienced hard headed team by this year.Granted we may have lost a few more games,maybe not. Just an opinion not gospel before others shout me down lol.
Hopefully JMK is sweet to go and Holland sits on the bench anyway. I do agree that he does have to stick with whatever side he chooses and give it a chance and not blow it all up in 3 weeks time.
 

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Agree, I don't hate anyone that puts on our jersey but not sure where all the love for this guy has suddenly come from. He's off contract this year, where's all the clubs knocking down his door for his "utility value".

Someone posted on here he can play 1-7, can you seriously imagine Holland in the halves.
As a stop gap when there are no other options due to injuries in a game? Yes. But he would not be creating, just distributing while the other half controlled everything.
But i think that quote of 1-7 was actually for Averilo.
 

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Can't wait for us to gazump the tigers and sign Grant as a starting hooker so we can push JMK into the utility role where he's better suited :innocent:
You think theyd do that now they got katoa?
 

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He was talking about Averillo can cover 1-7.
Im not a fan of Holland either but if one of JMK or Katoa is injured he is the best we have..

But if JMK and Katoa are playing id like Averillo as our utility and bring him into the game slowly with the speed of the game.

If everyone took their blue and white goggles off they would know that we are just making up the numbers this year.
This year should be about blooding youngsters through year and getting them ready for next year.
We have some talent coming through the ranks.
I genuinely disagree that we are just making up the numbers this year. My dad aleays said that a champion team will beat a team of champions. Take a look at the roster of the Toronto wolf pack for example, it should be pretty competitive. They lost 66-12 against Leeds, and its not bad coaching because only a few years back their coach Brian Mcdermott won the super league title coaching Leeds.
My point is, this is a team sport, and Pay deserves credit for assembling, and cultivating the never say die team attitude that we appear to have since the back end of last year. They are all very happy to be at the club, and they are playing for each other. They love coming to work each day, and they believe in the coaches methods.
Through this mateship and high morale, I predict that we will win more games then we lose this year, provided we dont get too many injuries.
 

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We can still have Katoa on the bench and have most positions covered anyway. Granted it requires some reshuffling but copping an injury will do that.

CHN can move to centre if we get an injury there and Hoppa covers fullback and Reimis covers wing.

JMK can go into the halves if we need cover there too.

Holland might just get by at hooker for a few minutes but if he has to play the majorty of the game there for some reason I can see it biting us on the ass big time.
This is a valid option.

I like the idea of playing 2 specialist hookers. The 9,6,7,1 are generally the main points of attack. It starts with the 9. If you have a fatigued 9 late in a half who starts to make poor decisions, then pressure mounts on the 6 and 7 and the flow on is the 1 has nothing to work with. That’s why I like to see a fresh 9 on the field at all times. So I’d go with both JMK and Katoa to start the year.
 

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JMK is Mbye 2.0. Katoa surely is our starting hooker this season and if he doesn't work out, go to market
 

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Can't wait for us to gazump the tigers and sign Grant as a starting hooker so we can push JMK into the utility role where he's better suited :innocent:
I think jmk will surprise you ,he was our biggest improver last year and was his first full season at 9
 

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I think jmk will surprise you ,he was our biggest improver last year and was his first full season at 9
I saw him make like 1 or two good runs and then it was pretty much standard JMK but I do hope you're right
 

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I think jmk will surprise you ,he was our biggest improver last year and was his first full season at 9
Ehh i i don't see it, lacks any sort of guile from dh and for someone with his pace his running game absolutely sucks. He offers reliable service and defence but that's it, need to aim much higher than him.
 

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7 pages... Of what should be happy Kennelers enjoying Wakeham being put in 7 which many called for, and Lewis in 6 which most of those that want him in the side at all called for. Instead from as early as the third post in we have neg shit about Lewis, or they probably wont play Wakeham properly, or Cogger should be there or Averillo blah blah blah..

We are playing Parra in round 1 and anyone that thinks Cogger/Wakeham/Averillo as a combo at 6 & 7 is a good idea must believe that it/we will good enough to put 40+ points on, because we would give up at least that many. Wakeham's selection is a good one but he needs to take it by the scruff of the neck and own it, otherwise Cogger will replace him. Lewis will remain at 6 I reckon unless we start losing again the cripple comes back or we get desperate and try Hoppa there, or buy a gun half.
The negative shot about Lewis comes about simply because he isn't a halfback....please explain apart from his defence what attributes he has as a halfback? Cogger offers much more and deserves to start with Wakeham.
 

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I think Holland is not a bad player, he’s a good utility as he can play centre and wing well, can slot in at dummy half or play full back.
My biggest criticism of Holland is that he doesn’t have the physique of most nrl players and therefore gets manhandled
He really needs to bulk up to become more useful to the team
95 kgs not enough for you? He certainly looked bigger at the nines and trials in his upper body.Had off season shoulder op so his rehab would have been all about upper body strengthening.
 

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As we all know he can also kick goals in pressure situations
I think Holland is not a bad player, he’s a good utility as he can play centre and wing well, can slot in at dummy half or play full back.
My biggest criticism of Holland is that he doesn’t have the physique of most nrl players and therefore gets manhandled
He really needs to bulk up to become more useful to the team
 

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Holland's passing from dummy half is terrible and he doesn't have the physicality to handle the defensive side. Jmk starting and Katoa bench.

Britt impressed me a lot more than I was expecting in the trials. He really gets his shoulders in to the tackles and adds some sting.
 

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This is great news, I like Wakeham but he better be given at least 8-10 games straight from round one to prove himself and not get dropped after 2-3 games. He needs to be given time so we can see if he’s really up to it. I won’t be able to handle any drastic chopping and changing early in the season from Pay.
 
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