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The automotive industry was fkd up the ass well before the liberals got into power. The issue raised it's head when GIllard was in power from memory.

For the record, I don't think the liberals are much better. Both Labor and Liberal are both establishment parties and both generally just going with the status quo and don't like to make big changes.
Read very slowly and carefully.

EVERY AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD IS SUBSIDIZED BY THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES OF SUBSIDIES IN THE WORLD FOR OUR AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY.
 

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Ford to remain in Australia :grinning: there have also been talks of Ford taking on redundant Holden workers. :hearteyes:
 

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Ford says it is in Australia to stay following Holden's closure and could take on axed workers


By Alexandra Beech and Rachel Mealey
5 hrs ago

© Provided by ABC NEWS Ford says it is open to hiring some of the workers let go by Holden. (Jonathan Beal, file photo: ABC)
Ford has reassured the Federal Government it is in Australia to stay and may be able to offer jobs to some of the laid-off Holden workers.

Holden's US parent company General Motors yesterday announced it would retire the iconic Holden brand and close down its Australian operations, with about 600 employees set to lose their jobs.

Following the shock announcement, Federal Industry Minister Karen Andrews called Ford's Australia and New Zealand president and chief executive, Kay Hart.

"She indicated very clearly to me that Ford is as committed as ever to Australia and that they continue to invest here," Ms Andrews said.

"She didn't give a never-ending commitment and I would not expect that from her.

"I asked that we kept in touch and she's agreed to that."

Ms Andrews said Ford, formerly Holden's major rival in Australia, also appeared open to the possibility of recruiting some of those facing job losses at Holden.

Both Holden and Ford ended their manufacturing operations in Australia several years ago.

But Ford remains Australia's largest automotive employer. It has more than 2,000 engineers, designers and technical and automotive specialists working across four sites in Victoria.

The company said it had a further $500 million worth of investment planned in Australia for this year.

Ms Hart said the displaced Holden workers may find opportunities at Ford.

"We have such a big design and engineering team here in Australia," Ms Hart said.

"We are hiring at the moment and I'm sure that there's some great talent in that Holden team.

"So we would definitely be looking, in terms of if that skill set did fit with us."

Ms Hart said Ford also remained "firmly committed" to its operations in Australia.

"From a Ford Australia standpoint, we have a great model line-up here," Ms Hart said.

"We have one of the top-selling vehicles in the Ford Ranger, that is designed and engineered right here in Australia and doing so well for us.

"We have a great range of products that seem to really resonate with our customers here, which is such an important part for us."

Automotive industry under pressure to shore up US operations
But the director of the Australian Industrial Transformation Institute at Flinders University, John Spoehr, said the Holden brand may be a casualty of the Trump era.

"The automotive industry is a global industry that has tended to draw the best skills and capabilities from different parts of the world including Australia," he said.

"I think US-based automotive companies are under enormous pressure to deliver to the US Government to re-shore jobs to the US where they've got plants based in other nations."

Ms Hart acknowledged that, as with the Holden experience, long-term decisions about the future of the company would be made by Ford's parent company in the United States.

"As a company, we will make that decision in terms of what is right for the corporation globally," she said.

"But at the moment, the Ford Motor Company is extremely committed to Australia."

Motoring journalist Toby Hagon put it bluntly.

"As much as Ford is saying 'we are here to stay', it was only a week ago that Holden was saying the same thing," he said.
 

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As someone who works in the industry everyone saw this coming. Some of the smarter franchisees saw this coming and got out 12 months ago.

Holden made a big mistake trying to sell a front wheel drive hatch as a commodore.

The quality and range of their vehicles is appalling, nothing to do with government subsidies or anything else, it's consumer demand.

At present 2% of new car sales are holden, in the heyday it used to be closer to 20.
 

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Read very slowly and carefully.

EVERY AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD IS SUBSIDIZED BY THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES OF SUBSIDIES IN THE WORLD FOR OUR AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY.
and?

Just because one country does something doesn't mean that we should do the same.

We have one of the best standards of living in the entire world in Australia, and part of that is our relatively high wages. High wages are great for employees but not great for businesses who are trying to compete with countries who can undercut with labour (and lower costs of energy as well).

You can subsidise the australian car industry till the cows come home, but it won't make it profitable and it will just delay the inevitable which has now happened.
 

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and?

Just because one country does something doesn't mean that we should do the same.

We have one of the best standards of living in the entire world in Australia, and part of that is our relatively high wages. High wages are great for employees but not great for businesses who are trying to compete with countries who can undercut with labour (and lower costs of energy as well).

You can subsidise the australian car industry till the cows come home, but it won't make it profitable and it will just delay the inevitable which has now happened.
Great wall is a failed product. Chinese manufactured BMWs and Mercedes havent got great sell rates (people opting for German manufactured ones), and holden was just (before hockey pulled the plug) beggining a profitable expansion into the middle East which was also benefitting small businesses.

As far as subsidies goes then maybe we should pull out all our subsidies to the coal industry? Given that they pay less than 12% tax (if they do even pay tax), theyre more than profitable enough for us to pull subsidies and they provide a hell of a lot less jobs than what our automotive industry did (that's why the govt was subsidizing them to support OUR LOCAL WORKERS). But I guess you'll bring up some exception for the coal industry because andrew bolt said so and they use foreign workers while paying them foreign market rate wages.

This was just another politicking game by the liberals to get rid of unions
 

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Great wall is a failed product. Chinese manufactured BMWs and Mercedes havent got great sell rates (people opting for German manufactured ones), and holden was just (before hockey pulled the plug) beggining a profitable expansion into the middle East which was also benefitting small businesses.

As far as subsidies goes then maybe we should pull out all our subsidies to the coal industry? Given that they pay less than 12% tax (if they do even pay tax), theyre more than profitable enough for us to pull subsidies and they provide a hell of a lot less jobs than what our automotive industry did (that's why the govt was subsidizing them to support OUR LOCAL WORKERS). But I guess you'll bring up some exception for the coal industry because andrew bolt said so and they use foreign workers while paying them foreign market rate wages.

This was just another politicking game by the liberals to get rid of unions
I think it's reasonably clear I don't just make an argument along the same lines as the party I vote for at federal elections (I mentioned further above that I think both the liberal and labor parties are hopeless at reform) and they tend to just go with the status quo without ever really declaring their true opinion on anything.

The reason why I support coal mining and many other forms of resource mining in Australia is because we possess natural advantages over other countries in this space (i.e. we have some of the largest and best quality uranium, coal and iron ore deposits in the world). Most other countries can't produce what we do, and we should take advantage of that as much as possible.

As for car manufacturing, I'd be ok with us doing it if we were going to reform many areas of the economy including Taxation and industrial relations, but I don't think either party has any appetite for changing IR or tax law, and on that basis I don't support a car industry in Australia.
 

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Shit decision by GM, surely they could recognize holden is a popular brand and could feed off that with re badging?
 

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I think it's reasonably clear I don't just make an argument along the same lines as the party I vote for at federal elections (I mentioned further above that I think both the liberal and labor parties are hopeless at reform) and they tend to just go with the status quo without ever really declaring their true opinion on anything.

The reason why I support coal mining and many other forms of resource mining in Australia is because we possess natural advantages over other countries in this space (i.e. we have some of the largest and best quality uranium, coal and iron ore deposits in the world). Most other countries can't produce what we do, and we should take advantage of that as much as possible.

As for car manufacturing, I'd be ok with us doing it if we were going to reform many areas of the economy including Taxation and industrial relations, but I don't think either party has any appetite for changing IR or tax law, and on that basis I don't support a car industry in Australia.
There's not enough jobs in mining to go around for our small population. We need to support different industries to make sure there are enough jobs. Not everyone is going to fit in a few industries, so yes subsidies are fucking important to support our LOCAL POPULLATION.
 

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It's because they stopped making V8s AND bringing in Opal and Vauxhall (Euro trash) and sticking a lion on them.

PS hopefully this just further pushes the price of my Walkie up for the kids/grand kids.
Sorry bro,
I know you are a bit of a fan for your v8 holdens
I wasn't trying to troll or bait you.
I have been disappointed in the quality of Holden cars for a long time
Bought a few over the years and had a lot of issues with them.
I guess I felt ripped off by Holden
Been getting Toyota's and even Hyundai since without any trouble at all.
 

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There's not enough jobs in mining to go around for our small population. We need to support different industries to make sure there are enough jobs. Not everyone is going to fit in a few industries, so yes subsidies are fucking important to support our LOCAL POPULLATION.
That's fine to support jobs other than mining, of course people are going to have jobs other than mining across a population of 25million.

My point is simply that we should not be throwing away cash into companies like Holden who fundamentally have a bad business model and are not producing cars that consumers (generally speaking) even want.
 

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Sorry bro,
I know you are a bit of a fan for your v8 holdens
I wasn't trying to troll or bait you.
I have been disappointed in the quality of Holden cars for a long time
Bought a few over the years and had a lot of issues with them.
I guess I felt ripped off by Holden
Been getting Toyota's and even Hyundai since without any trouble at all.
Will be bouncing around in VL and VS until I die, like Brocky said, 'driving excitement'.
Who is gunna say a VK group A is a shitbox?
Toyota have nothing on HDT/HSV in collectability.
 

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I don't care what anyone says but the abortion of a "commodore" they brought out fucked them up.
 

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Will be bouncing around in VL and VS until I die, like Brocky said, 'driving excitement'.
Who is gunna say a VK group A is a shitbox?
Toyota have nothing on HDT/HSV in collectability.
Yeah I really don't give a fuck what people think. I love my 500kw+ Walkinshaw and I'll continue to embarrass 6 figure "sports/super cars".

Plus I'm leaving it to my kids/grandkids.
 

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Sorry bro,
I know you are a bit of a fan for your v8 holdens
I wasn't trying to troll or bait you.
I have been disappointed in the quality of Holden cars for a long time
Bought a few over the years and had a lot of issues with them.
I guess I felt ripped off by Holden
Been getting Toyota's and even Hyundai since without any trouble at all.
I'm talking about REAL Aussie made Holdens, not craptivas, cruizes and all the other Euro trash with a Holden badge on it.

PS Missus drives a iX35 and it's pretty good, 8 year warranty with a decent build and very reliable.

PPS I'm a fan of V8s, especially the LS. Stopped being a Holden fan when they stopped V8s. If i didn't have my LS, would of gone with the 6.2L HEMI in the SRT's.
 

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I'm talking about REAL Aussie made Holdens, not craptivas, cruizes and all the other Euro trash with a Holden badge on it.

PS Missus drives a iX35 and it's pretty good, 8 year warranty with a decent build and very reliable.

PPS I'm a fan of V8s, especially the LS. Stopped being a Holden fan when they stopped V8s. If i didn't have my LS, would of gone with the 6.2L HEMI in the SRT's.
The craptiva is a curse if I had a choice to get a brand new captiva for free or go down on castle and wash it down with a warm rancid vb well I don't like vb and could only imagine festers moot would be the 7th circle of hell still, less painful than the captiva
 

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The craptiva is a curse if I had a choice to get a brand new captiva for free or go down on castle and wash it down with a warm rancid vb well I don't like vb and could only imagine festers moot would be the 7th circle of hell still, less painful than the captiva
You could easily burn a free Captiva. But that latter option would haunt you forever. I can't imagine the scars that would leave.

Just on VB, I found a half carton in a flat I rented in my uni days. A few of my friends were borderline alcoholics at the time and also broke mofos who struggled to find money for booze. They wouldn't take it off my hands for free. I'd hazard a guess that half carton is still sitting under the sink in the laundry.
 

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My dad still hasn't got over the Chrysler closure in the 80s
 

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Selling cars is hard business lately, look at the stock out the back of Suttons, grab a deal.
 
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