Don’t take this the wrong way mate cause it’s not a knock towards yourself, I appreciate all updates on the club. But why does 2021 seem to be mentioned as a defence every time somebody criticises our recruitment? I get funds are limited for 2020 but we have been able to recruit for 2021 since Nov 1 which was 3 months ago and we have got nothing so far?
It seriously does my head in...wait until the match day threads return... You'll 'loose' your mind
Well said!!
Agree to an extent, but also not too many 2021 from other clubs around bar Arrow? Could be wrong I cant remember too many, a lot of retentions/extensions though.
All good mate - always up for sensible debate/discussion regardless of who ends up agreeing with each other
The club wont want to talk about it but you are right I believe. I think we intended to recruit a couple of players by now but our poor recent playing history, previous salary cap issues, rookie coach, no major corporate sponsor and shitty press has made us smell a little to player managers and players looking to have a chance of a premiership.
I think you make a fair point about signing a player for 2021 and then wanting the early release for this year cause we wouldn’t be able to do it unless the contract was back ended (which is a taboo word these days)All good mate - always up for sensible debate/discussion regardless of who ends up agreeing with each other
You're right about the transfer window - however any expectation of several signings being announced in November I think was misguided.
No other club did it and we've only seen a couple trickle through since then.
Personally I think the NRL should change this policy to 1 April - 6 months should be plenty of time to work out a deal for the following year.
I can't say for sure, but think there's two reasons we haven't announced 2021 yet:
1) When a player decides to move clubs 12 months out often their current club is happy to cut them loose. Notable exceptions now: Titans won't let Arrow and Storm won't let Addo-Carr go for 2020 - we'll see if either of those change.
With our limited funds for 2020 - if we announced a 2021 deal and the player's current club cut them loose - we likely couldn't accommodate them for 2020. We MAY be able to accomodate a mid-season signing, but we'll see.
2) We like all clubs have a number of players off contract end of 2020. We've never announced this early who's not being renewed and if we made announcements for 2021 before a ball has been kicked there'd be players who'd know they are out. Not a great way to start a season with heads hanging.
I strongly believe the club is active with plans for 2021 and beyond - there is simply no way they could not be.
There's just very deliberate reasons why they're not talking about it yet. I noted at the forum in December when they were asked about 2021 they deliberately hosed the question down - most likely because most of the playing group were there.
2021 could include agreements already in place where the club has said 'we can't take you for 2020, so we won't announce until an agreed date after the 2020 season has kicked off'.
I know there's lots of opinions that we are not attractive, that we have to pay overs etc and that's all fine. I personally think it's more related to the club being very selective about who they want and when they want them. combined with a new crop of young fellas coming through.
To me 2021 smells like 2009 - we'll likely end up buying 4 or 5 established players and combine them with who we already have.
Some will call me naive or whatever and that's fine - we will all know soon enough which way it pans out.
Cheers
Don't think that's relevant anymore.. pretty sure any player can do whatever they want these days if the negotiations go right.
Agreed, especially when every player changing clubs either wiggled out of a contract or want to
Well said Baz. If we keep the momentum from last season and start off the season strongly, then better signings will follow shortly after. If we start off poorly, then it will be hard to make impactful signings.
Hooray, well said, at least there is someone around here who understands how contracts are negotiated and what NDA's (non disclosure agreements) are there for. The player and/or the club, for many reasons, may not want to release information on contracts already signed for 2021. Noting that it is quite legal for a player to sign a commercial contract that binds them to, at some predetermined time in the future, signing an NRL contract with a club. Included in that will be non disclosure clauses for all of the parties involved, including big mouthed player agents.All good mate - always up for sensible debate/discussion regardless of who ends up agreeing with each other
You're right about the transfer window - however any expectation of several signings being announced in November I think was misguided.
No other club did it and we've only seen a couple trickle through since then.
Personally I think the NRL should change this policy to 1 April - 6 months should be plenty of time to work out a deal for the following year.
I can't say for sure, but think there's two reasons we haven't announced 2021 yet:
1) When a player decides to move clubs 12 months out often their current club is happy to cut them loose. Notable exceptions now: Titans won't let Arrow and Storm won't let Addo-Carr go for 2020 - we'll see if either of those change.
With our limited funds for 2020 - if we announced a 2021 deal and the player's current club cut them loose - we likely couldn't accommodate them for 2020. We MAY be able to accomodate a mid-season signing, but we'll see.
2) We like all clubs have a number of players off contract end of 2020. We've never announced this early who's not being renewed and if we made announcements for 2021 before a ball has been kicked there'd be players who'd know they are out. Not a great way to start a season with heads hanging.
I strongly believe the club is active with plans for 2021 and beyond - there is simply no way they could not be.
There's just very deliberate reasons why they're not talking about it yet. I noted at the forum in December when they were asked about 2021 they deliberately hosed the question down - most likely because most of the playing group were there.
2021 could include agreements already in place where the club has said 'we can't take you for 2020, so we won't announce until an agreed date after the 2020 season has kicked off'.
I know there's lots of opinions that we are not attractive, that we have to pay overs etc and that's all fine. I personally think it's more related to the club being very selective about who they want and when they want them. combined with a new crop of young fellas coming through.
To me 2021 smells like 2009 - we'll likely end up buying 4 or 5 established players and combine them with who we already have.
Some will call me naive or whatever and that's fine - we will all know soon enough which way it pans out.
Cheers
Yeah, I don't think we'll see back-ends and ratchet clauses again and that's a good thing, that's what got us in the mess we're just about out of.
If you are talking about Paul Vaughan he has a contract till 2021 with a Player Option for 2022 at which time he will be 31. Cameron McInnes is also contracted to 2021. Ryan James is uncontracted for 2021 (as best I can tell) then having been at the Titans for 11 years, he is on $big (reported ~$700k) plus he will be 30 in 2021, which is getting on for a heavy duty forward in the NRL.
Mate. If you keep applying common sense, I can see you being given the boot from here.All good mate - always up for sensible debate/discussion regardless of who ends up agreeing with each other
You're right about the transfer window - however any expectation of several signings being announced in November I think was misguided.
No other club did it and we've only seen a couple trickle through since then.
Personally I think the NRL should change this policy to 1 April - 6 months should be plenty of time to work out a deal for the following year.
I can't say for sure, but think there's two reasons we haven't announced 2021 yet:
1) When a player decides to move clubs 12 months out often their current club is happy to cut them loose. Notable exceptions now: Titans won't let Arrow and Storm won't let Addo-Carr go for 2020 - we'll see if either of those change.
With our limited funds for 2020 - if we announced a 2021 deal and the player's current club cut them loose - we likely couldn't accommodate them for 2020. We MAY be able to accomodate a mid-season signing, but we'll see.
2) We like all clubs have a number of players off contract end of 2020. We've never announced this early who's not being renewed and if we made announcements for 2021 before a ball has been kicked there'd be players who'd know they are out. Not a great way to start a season with heads hanging.
I strongly believe the club is active with plans for 2021 and beyond - there is simply no way they could not be.
There's just very deliberate reasons why they're not talking about it yet. I noted at the forum in December when they were asked about 2021 they deliberately hosed the question down - most likely because most of the playing group were there.
2021 could include agreements already in place where the club has said 'we can't take you for 2020, so we won't announce until an agreed date after the 2020 season has kicked off'.
I know there's lots of opinions that we are not attractive, that we have to pay overs etc and that's all fine. I personally think it's more related to the club being very selective about who they want and when they want them, combined with a new crop of young fellas coming through.
To me 2021 smells like 2009 - we'll likely end up buying 4 or 5 established players and combine them with who we already have.
Some will call me naive or whatever and that's fine - we will all know soon enough which way it pans out.
Cheers
I'll log out now before I get banned
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