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You said it earlier. People see things along political lines now not about right and wrong.

I have seen posters on here saying what could Scomo do? He isn't a firefighter, He isn't a specialist on Fire management.

Well after a few beers at lunch I have a couple of ideas-

Comfort and supplies for the the firefighters and people who have lost their homes. Accomodation.

Th US has 30 fire bombing planes sitting around doing nothing. NSW Gov. finally leased one yesterday. Just one. How about he uses some federal money to lease another 6.

Set up infrastructure to help the people who have lost their homes deal with insurances companies instaed of letting then get screwed over again when all of this is over and insuers want to save money.

He could have set up Xmas parties for the families of the firefighters and presents for their kids as a thank you while the volunteers do the heavy lifting.

How about paying their utility bills so they don't come back to a financial mess after all of this.

Make banks put a hold on mortgage repayments for volunteers while they aren't working. Deal with emplyoyers to guarentee that these people have jobs to come back to.

You know, be a leader and support your people.

Instead he announced that public servants will get paid emergency leave. A policy that has existed since the 70s.
I agree with most of that but where do you draw the line? We live in a country that always has and always will have natural disasters. People already complain they pay too much tax
 

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I agree with most of that but where do you draw the line? We live in a country that always has and always will have natural disasters. People already complain they pay too much tax
You draw the line at volunteers who put their lives on the line and the people who have lost their homes and their communities..

There is no playbook for this. Let the circumstances dictate the response. Doing nothing because you don't know where to draw the line is just wrong. You do what you can and hope it is enough.

At the moment his only respone is show up for photo ops.
 

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You draw the line at volunteers who put their lives on the line and the people who have lost their homes and their communities..

There is no playbook for this. Let the circumstances dictate the response. Doing nothing because you don't know where to draw the line is just wrong. You do what you can and hope it is enough.

At the moment his only respone is show up for photo ops.
Do you see my point though? If you don’t help one and help the other?
I don’t know if you saw but I’ve already lost two properties and another looks grim this afternoon. I understand how others have lost more than me including their lives. I cannot thank the volunteers enough and will continue to donate as much money and resources as I can.
I don’t want money or compensation from tax payers. I am insured. The only thing I’m pissed off about is the amount of times I’ve asked to clear my land and been refused
 

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Like I always say, if being a politician paid minimum wage and had no perks or power, how many politicians would there be?
People who Just wanna serve and do what’s best for the people.. I guess no one!! Lol!
 

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Do you see my point though? If you don’t help one and help the other?
I don’t know if you saw but I’ve already lost two properties and another looks grim this afternoon. I understand how others have lost more than me including their lives. I cannot thank the volunteers enough and will continue to donate as much money and resources as I can.
I don’t want money or compensation from tax payers. I am insured. The only thing I’m pissed off about is the amount of times I’ve asked to clear my land and been refused
That's your first problem, fuck asking to clear, just do it like nearly everyone does. I've actually helped family and friends clear. Only one bogan **** threatened to snitch but I just reminded him accidents do happen. The next day, the **** started to clear as well.

I know I wouldn't listen to any corrupt council **** if it meant protecting my family's home.
 

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I agree with most of that but where do you draw the line? We live in a country that always has and always will have natural disasters. People already complain they pay too much tax
Take a leaf from crowdfunding. Announce a joint state and federal initiative where any $1 donated by business and the public will be met by both state and federal government. That $4 million fundraiser getting around would be at least tripled by now without any one group having to shoulder the brunt
 

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I agree with most of that but where do you draw the line? We live in a country that always has and always will have natural disasters. People already complain they pay too much tax
Your statement part of the problem.

Libs have based their whole reason for existence around tax to appeal to greed and excuse their whole IPA agenda.

The public only complain about paying tax because of the Libs, Murdoch, Gina, mining conglomerates and their ilk, have made an issue of it and demonising the poor and giving them any of our hard earned.

Australia used to be a fair country. We never had a problem with lifting up the less fortunate, ill, infirm. It used to be seen as our civic duty to provide.

No more. They are bludgers and a drain on the budget. Leaners. Ticking time bombs.

That's what our values have become :(

As regards "where do you draw the line"..its only till this emergency has eased. You cant expect volunteers to work for free for months on end.

Could you afford that? I couldn't months on end nor find the stamina. Poor buggers giving their all and people consider bs like where do you draw the line.

Or

You could stop $300,000 a year pensions for life for pollies who resign or lose their seat. Abbott, Julie, The Fixer etc and any Labor leech doing the same.

You could stop first class travel and free family flights. $250? per night accommodation expenses whilst renting that same property off your wife, $187 per day meals allowance. Military plane use of $30,000 to get from A to B because the commercial flight is a 30 minute layover.

The useless airforce planes not going to be fit for purpose.

The ridiculously expensive subs.

The seaside shack highlighting the corrupt Paladin contract.

The Murray Darling wasted money.

Heaps of savings could be made to pay volunteer firies in times of such emergencies.
 

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That's your first problem, fuck asking to clear, just do it like nearly everyone does. I've actually helped family and friends clear. Only one bogan **** threatened to snitch but I just reminded him accidents do happen. The next day, the **** started to clear as well.

I know I wouldn't listen to any corrupt council **** if it meant protecting my family's home.
I’m with you 100% mate and have already had lots of dramas, mainly due to do gooders and greenies calling the council on me
 

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You said it earlier. People see things along political lines now not about right and wrong.

I have seen posters on here saying what could Scomo do? He isn't a firefighter, He isn't a specialist on Fire management.

Well after a few beers at lunch I have a couple of ideas-

Comfort and supplies for the the firefighters and people who have lost their homes. Accomodation.

Th US has 30 fire bombing planes sitting around doing nothing. NSW Gov. finally leased one yesterday. Just one. How about he uses some federal money to lease another 6.

Set up infrastructure to help the people who have lost their homes deal with insurances companies instaed of letting then get screwed over again when all of this is over and insuers want to save money.

He could have set up Xmas parties for the families of the firefighters and presents for their kids as a thank you while the volunteers do the heavy lifting.

How about paying their utility bills so they don't come back to a financial mess after all of this.

Make banks put a hold on mortgage repayments for volunteers while they aren't working. Deal with emplyoyers to guarentee that these people have jobs to come back to.

You know, be a leader and support your people.

Instead he announced that public servants will get paid emergency leave. A policy that has existed since the 70s.
And rehashed the already budgeted 11 million. 11 fooking million!

They truly do think we are idiots. Sadly who can disagree with their assessment of us.

Constructive, necessary ideas there Steeliz.

What the hell are we paying these guys for! We could do it better and faster and with less corruption if we organised it ourselves.
 

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Like I always say, if being a politician paid minimum wage and had no perks or power, how many politicians would there be?
Do you see my point though? If you don’t help one and help the other?
I don’t know if you saw but I’ve already lost two properties and another looks grim this afternoon. I understand how others have lost more than me including their lives. I cannot thank the volunteers enough and will continue to donate as much money and resources as I can.
I don’t want money or compensation from tax payers. I am insured. The only thing I’m pissed off about is the amount of times I’ve asked to clear my land and been refused
Hadn't seen that. Feel for you brother. Hope you come out the other side bigger and better.

Glad you are insured, from what I understand though, through friends who have also had losses, getting insured for fire in some areas was always problematic if not impossible.

I was a member of the SES for 9 years. I have seen some devastation. Nothing like what is going on here though. I have also seen the way victims have been treated after the fact by insurance companies. Still makes me feel sick to my stomach the way they treat people.

Like I said though, there is no playbook. Everything needs to be a case by case.

What else is taxpayers money for than helping taxpayers in a crisis?

But doing nothing is unacceptable.
 

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Hadn't seen that. Feel for you brother. Hope you come out the other side bigger and better.

Glad you are insured, from what I understand though, through friends who have also had losses, getting insured for fire in some areas was always problematic if not impossible.

I was a member of the SES for 9 years. I have seen some devastation. Nothing like what is going on here though. I have also seen the way victims have been treated after the fact by insurance companies. Still makes me feel sick to my stomach the way they treat people.

Like I said though, there is no playbook. Everything needs to be a case by case.

What else is taxpayers money for than helping taxpayers in a crisis?

But doing nothing is unacceptable.
Thanks mate and I do agree with you.
It’s frustrating when some of this is preventable (aside from fire bugs and lightning) but even then if the fuel levels weren’t so bloody high I’m 100% confident I would’ve been fine.

I’m all for charity and helping each other out. I do worry that some take advantage of it though and like on this forum the squeaky wheels get the oil.
More needs to be done and if any positives do exist they are that this disaster will ensure there is change
 

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Thanks mate and I do agree with you.
It’s frustrating when some of this is preventable (aside from fire bugs and lightning) but even then if the fuel levels weren’t so bloody high I’m 100% confident I would’ve been fine.

I’m all for charity and helping each other out. I do worry that some take advantage of it though and like on this forum the squeaky wheels get the oil.
More needs to be done and if any positives do exist they are that this disaster will ensure there is change
Hopefully the people in charge will take lessons out of this and then take steps to minimise the chances of something so big ever happening again.

I agree there will be scum bags who would look to rort situations like this, but surely it is better for 100 families who are in need get the help they need and if these criminals lie to get and advantage then the police should hunt them at a later date.
 

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Hopefully the people in charge will take lessons out of this and then take steps to minimise the chances of something so big ever happening again.

I agree there will be scum bags who would look to rort situations like this, but surely it is better for 100 families who are in need get the help they need and if these criminals lie to get and advantage then the police should hunt them at a later date.
Hasn't Morrison finally agreed to conduct a meeting on Monday to organise a whole of Australia appropriate emergency response. To clearly find out and ascertain what's needed and finally co-ordinate a suitable response to housing, feeding, psycological help and what the firies need.

Took a while but at least the healing might start if it's bipartisan and has some real teeth and authority.
 

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That's your first problem, fuck asking to clear, just do it like nearly everyone does. I've actually helped family and friends clear. Only one bogan **** threatened to snitch but I just reminded him accidents do happen. The next day, the **** started to clear as well.

I know I wouldn't listen to any corrupt council **** if it meant protecting my family's home.
My man..my wheelchair bound friend was caught up in the fires in the Hills district a few years ago.. They had asked council to remove a tree close to their home..they were knocked back..they did it anyway.. Luckily they did..because if they didn’t there was no doubt the flames..which came right up to the house..would have engulfed the tree and burnt the house down..
 

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Hasn't Morrison finally agreed to conduct a meeting on Monday to organise a whole of Australia appropriate emergency response. To clearly find out and ascertain what's needed and finally co-ordinate a suitable response to housing, feeding, psycological help and what the firies need.

Took a while but at least the healing might start if it's bipartisan and has some real teeth and authority.
Finally showing some leadership!!!
 

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Hasn't Morrison finally agreed to conduct a meeting on Monday to organise a whole of Australia appropriate emergency response. To clearly find out and ascertain what's needed and finally co-ordinate a suitable response to housing, feeding, psycological help and what the firies need.

Took a while but at least the healing might start if it's bipartisan and has some real teeth and authority.
Hadn't heard that.

Finally doing something. Did someone lend him a clue?
 

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Hasn't Morrison finally agreed to conduct a meeting on Monday to organise a whole of Australia appropriate emergency response. To clearly find out and ascertain what's needed and finally co-ordinate a suitable response to housing, feeding, psycological help and what the firies need.

Took a while but at least the healing might start if it's bipartisan and has some real teeth and authority.
Well when I write the above, in hope....that was the spin being put out.

Probably end up like any other bureaucratic senate enquiry or banking rc.

Feed the chooks.
 
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