Opinion Possible Bulldogs 17 for 2020

TwinTurbo

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But no lets go into the season with the same backline 3 years in a row.
When attempting to make a point it is best to get your facts right. If you are are referring to 2018 then players no longer with us from the start of that season are Olive, Mozzies x 2, Frawley and Mbye. Which, being 5 players, is a substantial change in a 7 player backline. Plus players that are here for 2020 that weren't in our first grade squad in 2018, such as Meaney, DWZ, Wakeham, Cogger, Okunbor, Harper and Crichton. Then we could add in positional changes, for example full back, Meaney, Hopoate and DWZ. That's 15 or so "changes" in personnel or "position", basically double the number of positions available in the backline.

It is worth keeping in mind that for 2017 in the backline we had Lee, Mozzies x 2, Reynolds, Stanley, Abbey, Kennar, Frawley and Mbye all of whom are no longer with us. In fact the only backline player that is still here from 2017 is Hopoate.

The undeniable fact is it couldn't be further from the truth that we will have "the same backline 3 years in a row". Personally I'm happy that we have at least some continuity.

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I thought you were talking about now under coach Pay.
In general. If a player doesn’t abide by their expectations at training and in their home lives they get cut as they should
 

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I would like to go with the team in bold, the team in the normal font is what pay would pick though.

  1. Dwz
  2. Meany
  3. Harper (Holland)
  4. Hoppa
  5. R. Smith
  6. Lewis (Cogger)
  7. Wakeham (Lewis)
  8. Tolman
  9. JMK
  10. Napa
  11. CHN
  12. Stimson (Jacko)
  13. Jacko (Elliott)
  14. Katoa
  15. T'Omonga
  16. RFM (Britt)
  17. Elliott (Stimson)
Take Holland out and that's spot on.

The most worrying thing is how much pay got it wrong in round 1 in 2019 and even then it had all the fans scratching their heads as to why pay picked that starting 13.

If I see Elliot, Chris Smith, sue, Britt in the 17 ahead of rfm and to'omaga then it's more proof in the pudding that pay can't spot talent
 

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Smith & Elliott I agree with but I do think Britt has an improvement curve in him and an engine that can do a lot of minutes so I would certainly consider him for a bench spot. RFM does blow hot and cold for some reason as well.
 

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DWZ
Meaney
Reimis
Hoppa
Oko
Wakeham
Cogger
Tolman
JMK ergh
Napa
Stimson
CHN
Jackson

RFM
Toomaga
Katoa
Elliot

Thats our strongest side on paper. Harper/Avilerio have a long way to go. Holland and Montoya should never see FG again, we clearly need a new hooker and another outside back and a prop
 

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How is that our strongest side when your seven is a human speed hump with no ticker and consistently gets dominated and man handled both in attack and defence.
DWZ
Meaney
Reimis
Hoppa
Oko
Wakeham
Cogger
Tolman
JMK ergh
Napa
Stimson
CHN
Jackson

RFM
Toomaga
Katoa
Elliot

Thats our strongest side on paper. Harper/Avilerio have a long way to go. Holland and Montoya should never see FG again, we clearly need a new hooker and another outside back and a prop
 

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How is that our strongest side when your seven is a human speed hump with no ticker and consistently gets dominated and man handled both in attack and defence.
in case you missed it we have 3 inadequate halves to choose from, 2 of which have proven they know how to throw a cut out pass
your boy lewis' biggest claim to fame is tackling sam burgess before he retired and having an uncle that doesnt talk to him because he is shit
 

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In case you missed it, it was no coincidence that we only started winning games at the back end of the year because of Lewis inclusion, and your boy was banished to the bench really as an 18th man even though he was the 17th man cause the coach would not even trust putting him on for a measly few minutes.
So if you think cogger will get the jump over Lewis next year you have rocks in your head.
in case you missed it we have 3 inadequate halves to choose from, 2 of which have proven they know how to throw a cut out pass
your boy lewis' biggest claim to fame is tackling sam burgess before he retired and having an uncle that doesnt talk to him because he is shit
 

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In case you missed it, it was no coincidence that we only started winning games at the back end of the year because of Lewis inclusion, and your boy was banished to the bench really as an 18th man even though he was the 17th man cause the coach would not even trust putting him on for a measly few minutes.
So if you think cogger will get the jump over Lewis next year you have rocks in your head.
They both played in 7 wins each.....
 

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Halves priority is Foran > Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. If Wakeham makes the side round one (he won't) then Cogger will make way. This Lewis > Cogger debate is dumb and the fact is Lewis is ahead of him in the pecking order - Cogger unused on the bench in final games this year.
 

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Halves priority is Foran > Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. If Wakeham makes the side round one (he won't) then Cogger will make way. This Lewis > Cogger debate is dumb and the fact is Lewis is ahead of him in the pecking order - Cogger unused on the bench in final games this year.
Lol.
 

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Halves priority is Foran > Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. If Wakeham makes the side round one (he won't) then Cogger will make way. This Lewis > Cogger debate is dumb and the fact is Lewis is ahead of him in the pecking order - Cogger unused on the bench in final games this year.
Is it dumb because people don’t agree with your opinion? Lewis finished 2018 in the starting side and didn’t start in 2019. It’s moot point anyway with Foran being out. We will struggle for points again early in the season with Lewis in the side and it won’t be long before a change is made if the defence isn’t on.
 

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Shifty's opinion, on how each responded and performed in the pre season, may well decide who plays where.

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Is it dumb because people don’t agree with your opinion? Lewis finished 2018 in the starting side and didn’t start in 2019. It’s moot point anyway with Foran being out. We will struggle for points again early in the season with Lewis in the side and it won’t be long before a change is made if the defence isn’t on.
No, it's dumb because Pay is the one making the decisions and he has shown the Halves priority is what I stated. If Foran was fit Cogger wouldn't be in the side. If Wakeham was given a chance round one Cogger would be out of the side. The difference in attack between Lewis and Cogger is negligible whereas Lewis is the much better defender (one of the best defensive Halves in the game). Lewis and especially Wakeham both look more promising than Cogger who's completely average.
 

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Halves priority is Foran > Lewis > Cogger > Wakeham. If Wakeham makes the side round one (he won't) then Cogger will make way. This Lewis > Cogger debate is dumb and the fact is Lewis is ahead of him in the pecking order - Cogger unused on the bench in final games this year.
Foran wont be seen on the field again in a Canterbury jersey. The only priority with him is that 2020 flies by as quickly as possible.

Wakeham shits all over Lewis and Cogger, though Pay will play it safe and start with Lewis for his "defence"
 

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Foran wont be seen on the field again in a Canterbury jersey. The only priority with him is that 2020 flies by as quickly as possible.

Wakeham shits all over Lewis and Cogger, though Pay will play it safe and start with Lewis for his "defence"
Foran will play again. He'll rush back from recovery and slot straight into the Halves.
 

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No, it's dumb because Pay is the one making the decisions and he has shown the Halves priority is what I stated. If Foran was fit Cogger wouldn't be in the side. If Wakeham was given a chance round one Cogger would be out of the side. The difference in attack between Lewis and Cogger is negligible whereas Lewis is the much better defender (one of the best defensive Halves in the game). Lewis and especially Wakeham both look more promising than Cogger who's completely average.
Pay hasn’t made a decision on anything in case I missed something that’s your opinion you’re getting confused with. The side named for the last round in 2019 has no bearing on the side for round 1 2020.

Cogger is a lot more creative then Lewis who relies on effort plays coming off he isn’t reliable at producing points on the field. Cogger easily has him covered in ball running and playing. Both kicking games are rather ordinary. Lewis has Cogger covered in defence but Cogger gets his body in front and that’s all you can ask for a half.
 
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