NRL crackdown leads to dramatic drop in third-party deals

[B-Train]

Totally agree there is virtually zero chance of getting caught out unless someone with a massive grip talks up.
A person who obviously is disgrunted because they didn’t get a slice of the pie somehow
At the end of the day NRL manegmeant should realise this issue has major ramifications in regards to certain teams fielding stronger teams and a very lob sided (competition)
In turn loosing fans who just get frustrated with the code in general.
It’s a shame because rugby league is a great game.

Well said. All they have to do is publish everyone's salaries like they do in every other league around the world, as well as getting rid of any TPA's at all and that would go a long way towards solving the problem.

Cheating will always occur no matter what rules you have in place, but as much transparency as possible can only be a good thing.

My suggestion is an easy fix and there's no reason not to implement this change.. The only reason not to is because the NRL prefer the secrecy so that they can try and make it easier for their favoured "power" clubs to win the comp.

 

[Natboy]

Well said. All they have to do is publish everyone's salaries like they do in every other league around the world, as well as getting rid of any TPA's at all and that would go a long way towards solving the problem.

Cheating will always occur no matter what rules you have in place, but as much transparency as possible can only be a good thing.

My suggestion is an easy fix and there's no reason not to implement this change.. The only reason not to is because the NRL prefer the secrecy so that they can try and make it easier for their favoured "power" clubs to win the comp.

I agree mate. The ATO should then audit the income declared by players.
This will all be very difficult to introduce because as tough as the sport is the players have become sooks. Is there another sporting organisation in the world that has so many players who get home sick and leave for the bullshit reasons like Klemmer did?

 

[Shire Dog]

Well said. All they have to do is publish everyone's salaries like they do in every other league around the world, as well as getting rid of any TPA's at all and that would go a long way towards solving the problem.

Cheating will always occur no matter what rules you have in place, but as much transparency as possible can only be a good thing.

My suggestion is an easy fix and there's no reason not to implement this change.. The only reason not to is because the NRL prefer the secrecy so that they can try and make it easier for their favoured "power" clubs to win the comp.

Totally agree it just feels like this salary cap/TPA has been a saga and mismanaged since day one
Certain clubs are definitely reaping the rewards in the way of premierships.
I personally think that the league has not progressed much in the last 30 years as either a trademark or business in general
Crowd numbers have been virtually floating around the same for years on end.
The only thing which is guaranteed these days is Greenberg and his staff receiving good coin & don’t forget personal KPI’s

 

[Spoonman84]

Totally agree it just feels like this salary cap/TPA has been a saga and mismanaged since day one
Certain clubs are definitely reaping the rewards in the way of premierships.
I personally think that the league has not progressed much in the last 30 years as either a trademark or business in general
Crowd numbers have been virtually floating around the same for years on end.
The only thing which is guaranteed these days is Greenberg and his staff receiving good coin & don’t forget personal KPI’s

The NRL will never clamp down on it because there’s too many pigs with their snout in the trough. Everyone gets their their money so they are happy and while their are people in NRL HQ that have been involved in clubs there’s way too many skeletons that could come out if questions start being asked.

 

[JackDog]

Using contract value to distribute talent is fatally flawed. While ever they use this method, it will never change.

 

[Shire Dog]

The NRL will never clamp down on it because there’s too many pigs with their snout in the trough. Everyone gets their their money so they are happy and while their are people in NRL HQ that have been involved in clubs there’s way too many skeletons that could come out if questions start being asked.

There’s obviously a boys club mentality going on at Moore Park
Like you said everybody has their fingers in the pie
We can’t really do anything about it,my only interest is seeing our great club do well again and recover from the mess we are in which has dragged out for an eternity
The NRL have definitely not done us any favours.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

I agree mate. The ATO should then audit the income declared by players.
This will all be very difficult to introduce because as tough as the sport is the players have become sooks. Is there another sporting organisation in the world that has so many players who get home sick and leave for the bullshit reasons like Klemmer did?

Yes, but they don't have a salary cap.

 

[Natboy]

Yes, but they don't have a salary cap.

What sports do you mean mate?

 

[CrittaMagic69]

What sports do you mean mate?

Football. Players pull all kinds of stunts and excuses to get moves to different clubs. Players have tried to force moves because they don't like the weather lol.

 

[Natboy]

Football. Players pull all kinds of stunts and excuses to get moves to different clubs. Players have tried to force moves because they don't like the weather lol.

Ahh ok. I don’t follow it. I’d love to see stats of athletes breaking contracts in sports with salary caps

 

[Chris Harding]

Totally agree there is virtually zero chance of getting caught out unless someone with a massive grip talks up.
A person who obviously is disgrunted because they didn’t get a slice of the pie somehow
At the end of the day NRL manegmeant should realise this issue has major ramifications in regards to certain teams fielding stronger teams and a very lob sided (competition)
In turn loosing fans who just get frustrated with the code in general.
It’s a shame because rugby league is a great game.

It usually has taken a disgruntled employee or board member - someone who has access to the real accounts to spill the beans. Players don't have that inside knowledge about everyone to make a genuine complaint, because the investigators would never be shown the actual books.

The Dogs were caught out when an insider released the information. Funny how it happened at the same time we had applied for the Oasis development at Liverpool, which would have seen us with an all weather league stadium, baskeball stadium, swimming pools, and a club that had a gambling licence outside the restriction limit for the Sydney Casino. Rumour has it that it was the latter that caused the investigation; because it put a permanent stop to the development. I understand we had someone from the government on board with the proposal - then it suddenly went belly up. Was it Eddy Obeid?

The State government then generously let us have the white elephant of the Sydney Olympic Stadium for a peppercorn rental, to help us out of the financial mess the cancelled development would cause. Until Packer came along, with his money and political influence, nobody else dared try to compete with the Casino.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I have reread my post and I can't find anywhere where I say there is no way to cheap the salary cap. I was simply pointing out the current status, which many seemed unaware of (eg; education expenses and the provision of cars). As for previous cases, it's one of reasons why the auditing of tax returns was introduced, plus the reason why the previous NRL Salary Cap auditor is no longer the NRL Salary Cap auditor.

The Australian Taxation Office today revealed it has received a record-breaking 15,000 tip-offs to its Tax Integrity Centre in the first quarter of this financial year ......... According to the ATO, the most common tax rorts include not declaring income, not reporting sales, demanding cash from customers and paying workers “cash in hand” and having a lifestyle which does not match income. A tip-off can be made anonymously or otherwise by completing a form on the ATO website or in the “contact us” section of the ATO app or by phoning the Black Economy Hotline on 1800 060 062.

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/gen/making-a-tip-off/

Go Dogs

 

[Trafford10]

I have reread my post and I can't find anywhere where I say there is no way to cheap the salary cap.

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/gen/making-a-tip-off/

Go Dogs

That's what we dogs do "cheap the salary cap"

Roosters work around the salary cap.

 

[Trafford10]

The NRL and it's bullshit salary are so corrupt and broken that it is now beyond fixable by the NRL.

The Australian and/or NSW government should appoint a commissioner/administrator or monitor whatever you call the position to sit above the NRL and have total control of corporate compliance within the NRL.

 

[Dog R Us]

Yes after 2 months of waiting in the pound, the muzzle is off and i can post!!

Ok im probably going to step on toes but i'm a old time Dogs supporter..... whinging and whining about other clubs doesn't sit well with me because its not the reason we have had these lean years.

Yes im dirty on the Roosters too- because they have built the last decade on the same principle that Peter Moore built decades of success at the Dogs.....and thats spotting young talent all around Australia, going to great lengths to bring them into the junior ranks.....and then buy 2 or 3 top liners to complete the team.

Since so many of you are focused on the Roosters then have a real good look at that team- how many players that came via junior development, how many players came to them as nobodys or unwanted. No wonder they had room in the cap to buy Tedesco and Cronk.

in 2013 they bought SBW. In 2019 they bought Angus Crichton. I ask you-in between 2013 and 2019 name me 1 top line expensive forward they have purchased- just name me 1. Then its reported they were signing Lodge, Frizell, Pangai Jnr, David Fifita and even Cameron Murray- all BS- they dont respond but they are laughing-driving up the players asking price without even wanting that player. They don't buy their forwards- they produce them from nothing and make them into top liners. If they get into high price bracket for what they produce then the let them go- Napa, Kane Evans, Matterson, Tetevano. If Peter Moore was alive he would say "they stole my blue print".

I want to know what is being done to identify junior players and developing them through the junior grades? When we get some top line young talent coming into first then we will attract a few top line established players. The salary cap will be our friend in 2021 and onwards. Im not overly optimistic we can attract the right type of player because i dont think we have a plan- its like the recruitment team has a dartboard to establish who they are going to buy.

Moving along does anyone know if TC Bros have changed hands? The kebabs have been rubbish lately....moved to Whats Up Bros in Condell Park but they still arent as good as TC at their best.

 

[silva]

Yes after 2 months of waiting in the pound, the muzzle is off and i can post!!

Ok im probably going to step on toes but i'm a old time Dogs supporter..... whinging and whining about other clubs doesn't sit well with me because its not the reason we have had these lean years.

Yes im dirty on the Roosters too- because they have built the last decade on the same principle that Peter Moore built decades of success at the Dogs.....and thats spotting young talent all around Australia, going to great lengths to bring them into the junior ranks.....and then buy 2 or 3 top liners to complete the team.

Since so many of you are focused on the Roosters then have a real good look at that team- how many players that came via junior development, how many players came to them as nobodys or unwanted. No wonder they had room in the cap to buy Tedesco and Cronk.

in 2013 they bought SBW. In 2019 they bought Angus Crichton. I ask you-in between 2013 and 2019 name me 1 top line expensive forward they have purchased- just name me 1. Then its reported they were signing Lodge, Frizell, Pangai Jnr, David Fifita and even Cameron Murray- all BS- they dont respond but they are laughing-driving up the players asking price without even wanting that player. They don't buy their forwards- they produce them from nothing and make them into top liners. If they get into high price bracket for what they produce then the let them go- Napa, Kane Evans, Matterson, Tetevano. If Peter Moore was alive he would say "they stole my blue print".

I want to know what is being done to identify junior players and developing them through the junior grades? When we get some top line young talent coming into first then we will attract a few top line established players. The salary cap will be our friend in 2021 and onwards. Im not overly optimistic we can attract the right type of player because i dont think we have a plan- its like the recruitment team has a dartboard to establish who they are going to buy.

Moving along does anyone know if TC Bros have changed hands? The kebabs have been rubbish lately....moved to Whats Up Bros in Condell Park but they still arent as good as TC at their best.

Lol are you on something. In 13 they bought sbw, maloney, jennings and odonnell in the same year.
In 18 they bought tedesco and cronk in the same year. No other club has been able to.purchase that talent in the same year..sharks eels maybe but they both got done

 

[Squash the Berries!]

The Roosters figures are always good for a laugh

Its called creative accounting.

 

[Dog R Us]

Lol are you on something. In 13 they bought sbw, maloney, jennings and odonnell in the same year.
In 18 they bought tedesco and cronk in the same year. No other club has been able to.purchase that talent in the same year..sharks eels maybe but they both got done

Maloney wasn't highly sought after- he wasnt touted as anything special during his time at the Warriors, Jennings was tossed out of Penrith who payed half of his salary, O'Donnell was 33 and washed up in the UK......so yeah they got SBW.

Im still waiting for the answer the biggest name forward they bought between SBW and Crichton.

Im not here to defend the Roosters.....im here to say we need to get our shit together because the last 5 years isnt the fault of the Storm, Broncos,Roosters, Parra or any other NRL club- its the fault that lies within. Stop with the excuses and start with some solutions. Hasler may have screwed us hard with his salary cap fuk ups but we signed him so the fault is ours.

Dean Pay has copped all the backwash-but he has been dealt the cards that Hasler left behind. Hasler couldn't blood anything decent from our lower grades. When he left i was hoping he would take the majority of team with him....but there was nothing he wanted. That doesn't sit well with me- the strength of this club has always been bringing through talent and making them special. I want those days back

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Because it's not given its a free rental by uncle nick. He's not actually giving them anything of value just letting them borrow any brand new car they see fit until another one comes around.

And it's really difficult to account for the loose change stacked up in the boot in wads of 50s. How did that get there? No idea, oh well, finders keepers.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Im still waiting for the answer the biggest name forward they bought between SBW and Crichton.

Always up for a challenge (not in any particular order);
#1. JWH, signed by Chooks from the SeaGulls in 2010, played for NZ in 2009, so already was an International level forward.
#2. Angus Crichton, signed by Chooks from the Wabbits in 2019, played State of Origin in 2018, so already was an representative level forward.
#3. Zane Tetevano, signed by Chooks from the Nights in 2017, played at International level for the Cook Islands and New Zealand.
#4. Suaia Matagi, signed by the Chooks in 2015, after playing at International level for Samoa and New Zealand.
#5. Sio Siua Taukeiaho, signed by the Chooks in 2015 from the Warriors, after playing at International level for Tonga and New Zealand.
#6. Rémi Cast, signed by the Chooks from Catalans in 2014, after playing at International Level for France many many times.
#7. Luke O'Donnell, signed by the Chooks from Hudersfield in 2013, after playing State of Origin, City, NRL All Stars and Australia many times.
Plus Sam Moa, Nafe Seluini etc.

On average 1 to 2 International and/or SOO level forwards every single year. Maybe you don't consider an SOO or International level player a "big name", but most NRL clubs would be extremely happy to have that level of forward quality every year.

Go Dogs