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It's got to a point where it shouldn't be considered gambling as that implies you have a chance to win. It's like when people, really dumb people, say they "play" the pokies. There is no play, they are machine designed to take money from you and the longer you play them the more you loose.
A year or two ago the good people of Penrith flushed the best part of eight BILLION dollars down the pokies.
These are the same kind of people who complain about the cost of living...
 
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A year or two ago the good people of Penrith flushed the best part of eight BILLION dollars down the pokies.
These are the same kind of people who complain about the cost of living...
I would put a sledge hammer through the window of every pokie in this country if I could, they and the company that makes them are parasitic.

Anyone watch Ka-Ching! Pokie Nation doco on the ABC? The way these machines are designed is down right criminal imo.
 

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It is not about that. They just only want people betting who are dumb. The guys who do it seriously seem to bet live, and bet big. When these guys win they get banned from betting live and have to call up to place bets which takes too long and takes away the point of being a member for them. Or they just limit their max bet to like $100.

They market themselves as providing a way for punters to make money, but in reality they do everything in their power to prevent that.
A pretty thorough expose on 7.30 ABC last night, the way they have software that identifies you and if you are on their records as a winner (they grade your win rate) they immediately manipulate and slow down the time it takes to place your bet.

Calculated criminal behaviour IMO.
 

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A pretty thorough expose on 7.30 ABC last night, the way they have software that identifies you and if you are on their records as a winner (they grade your win rate) they immediately manipulate and slow down the time it takes to place your bet.

Calculated criminal behaviour IMO.
Yep it is bullshit. They do similar stuff at Casinos, if you do too well they just escort you out. If you lose heaps, you get free stuff.
 

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Total amount spent: not every dollar spent on gambling is lost – that’s the whole risk-reward appeal. The same report tallied our national gambling losses at just under $24 billion. Per person that’s more than $1,250 lost to gambling every year. We can break these losses down into:

$3.33 billion on racing ($175 per person)

$19.4 billion on gaming ($1,020 per person)

$1.6 billion on sports betting ($56 per person)

So the average man and woman over 18 in this country is losing $1,250 per year just on gambling.

Then to find out it's stacked against you and you are locked out and can't bet with them if you are successful at winning...
Pretty hard to misconstrue that data...
 

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Not much different from insurance companies that take your money each year, and the minute you have a claim (at fault or not), or end up with a demerit point against your license, they refuse you cover.
 

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Not much different from insurance companies that take your money each year, and the minute you have a claim (at fault or not), or end up with a demerit point against your license, they refuse you cover.
We had a huge fight a few years ago, went to Court they ended up paying the scum
 

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It's got to a point where it shouldn't be considered gambling as that implies you have a chance to win. It's like when people, really dumb people, say they "play" the pokies. There is no play, they are machine designed to take money from you and the longer you play them the more you loose.
and even winning isn't enough... because it's all about that dopamine hit... It would be interesting to know what percentage of "wins" are collected and not played back through
 

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and even winning isn't enough... because it's all about that dopamine hit... It would be interesting to know what percentage of "wins" are collected and not played back through
You're 100% correct about the dopamine thing, watching that Ka_Ching doco they interviewed a pokie addict who said that if she started playing and got a jackpot straight away she felt cheated as she hadn't played long enough to get her "fix" as she called it. And that fix is the dopamine from all the bells and whistles that the machine plays for her to keep her feeling good about playing.

You will not find a pokie machine that has a sound or display with a negative connotation. Every sound or display they have is to make you feel good about playing, even putting more money into one it will give you an upbeat jingle or sound to make you feel good about doing it. They make them to be addictive and that is criminal imo.
 

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I had 50 bucks on my horse the place and it payed $19 ,the next week I went to have an eachway bet on the same horse and they wouldnt take it, an international betting agency wouldnt take a 100 dollar bet so I closed my account and opened a sportsbet account and ive found them to be fantastic
 

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You're 100% correct about the dopamine thing, watching that Ka_Ching doco they interviewed a pokie addict who said that if she started playing and got a jackpot straight away she felt cheated as she hadn't played long enough to get her "fix" as she called it. And that fix is the dopamine from all the bells and whistles that the machine plays for her to keep her feeling good about playing.

You will not find a pokie machine that has a sound or display with a negative connotation. Every sound or display they have is to make you feel good about playing, even putting more money into one it will give you an upbeat jingle or sound to make you feel good about doing it. They make them to be addictive and that is criminal imo.
The worst thing about them is that the win percentage that they have to meet is an absolute load of crap, when you consider that the so called wins in general play are in most cases less than/ or equal to the amount being played per hit....

A friend I used to live with was looking at a study where they recorded pokie rush to be on par with cocaine... not sure how legit the study was, but having played pokies in the past, I can certainly believe it.. and I never even did big bets.. it's very common, and I'm sure you probably already know this, to see a person or people thowing $50s in every few minutes.... absolutely insane

that's right... countless hours go in to ensure the best possible user experience.. and that's just on a programming level.. then you consider what goes into creating the best environment for the players... the dimmed room, the comfy chairs, the service, the freebies/rewards, etc..... it's disgusting to think that there are not more regulations for pokies.
 

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I would put a sledge hammer through the window of every pokie in this country if I could, they and the company that makes them are parasitic.

Anyone watch Ka-Ching! Pokie Nation doco on the ABC? The way these machines are designed is down right criminal imo.
Totally agree the great dickhead Bob Carr will always be remembered for the suffering he had legalised for thousands of people
 

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The worst thing about them is that the win percentage that they have to meet is an absolute load of crap, when you consider that the so called wins in general play are in most cases less than/ or equal to the amount being played per hit....

A friend I used to live with was looking at a study where they recorded pokie rush to be on par with cocaine... not sure how legit the study was, but having played pokies in the past, I can certainly believe it.. and I never even did big bets.. it's very common, and I'm sure you probably already know this, to see a person or people thowing $50s in every few minutes.... absolutely insane

that's right... countless hours go in to ensure the best possible user experience.. and that's just on a programming level.. then you consider what goes into creating the best environment for the players... the dimmed room, the comfy chairs, the service, the freebies/rewards, etc..... it's disgusting to think that there are not more regulations for pokies.
Yup the free coffee you get as you play, all these things are designed to keep you playing as they know the longer you play the more you lose.

And I read somewhere that the pokies are now being programmed to give the player more jackpot "near misses" than ever before, again with the intent to make you think it's just around the corner = keep playing.

I remember last state election in Tas Labor were going to remove all pokies from that state. It would have been great to see that in action as well as the short and long term benefits from it. Pity.
 
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Totally agree the great dickhead Bob Carr will always be remembered for the suffering he had legalised for thousands of people
There are documented studies showing increases in domestic violence in suburbs where pokies are prevalent. No one cares as long as the club they are in gets new carpet every year.
 
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There are documented studies showing increases in domestic violence in suburbs where pokies are prevalent. No one cares as long as the club they are in gets new carpet every year.
Or they donate a new BBQ to the kids soccer team.
 
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It’s the little things that shit me. Like the really tough laws about gambling advertising, for example during the cricket, no gambling odds updates 5 minutes before or after play, yet in the recent series against Pakistan, the boundary was one big fuckin rope with Bet365 plastered on it. And David Warner and the like were smashing balls into that boundary a lot, so it was almost constantly on camera, getting their brand forever in your face. And that farkin throw away line at the end of every sports gambling ad ‘gamble responsible’ or some inane variation of that, is so tokenistic I can almost hear the betting and advertising agencies laughing every time I hear it. I used to have many a sports-bet, but I’ve just been put off by the carpet-bombing nature of the advertising in this country.

I can’t believe how many of these companies are operating seemingly so successfully in Australia, given our relative small population. I got rid of Foxtel this year but I remember during half time breaks, at least 3 different sports bet companies ran ads. It just casts such a suss cloud over the whole comp imo. How else other than corruption can you explain some of the refereeing and nrl management decisions from the last few years? Ok, so an answer to that last question is incompetence, but surely they can’t be that farkin consistently hopeless?
 

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Yep it is bullshit. They do similar stuff at Casinos, if you do too well they just escort you out. If you lose heaps, you get free stuff.
This is not really correct. Casinos will not escort you out for just winning. Advantage play can result in restrictions being placed on you and surveillance will monitor people who "seem" to be winning unusually against the odds with regard to table games. A saying goes " the casino doesnt care if you win, as long as they get the chance to get their money back" as the house edge will revert to the statistical percentage given enough time.
Pokies on the other hand, as said above, are programmed to take your money and designed to turn players into addicts! More should be done to restrict their use.

Hard to find a pub these days where you can have a drink without hearing them or see a live band as any spare space is used to cram with machines.
 
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