News Bulldogs could be denied salary cap relief for Kieran Foran injury!

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This strikes me as another case of just because the club aren’t saying anything doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything.

These people are not idiots. I’m sure they’ve received all appropriate and relevant advice in terms of what the options are and compensation for as applies to Foran. It will play out per those specifics.

Hard to see a renewal for Foran beyond 2020 but stranger things have happened.
You'd hope that if he did renew, then it would be more club friendly. Not sure many clubs would be whipping out the check book for him given how the last 5 years of his career has gone.
 

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You'd hope that if he did renew, then it would be more club friendly. Not sure many clubs would be whipping out the check book for him given how the last 5 years of his career has gone.
It would soon prove how sincere he was when he said he believed he hasn’t given the club bang for buck. Or, in his view does that only apply to the existing contract...
 

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For a player to be medically retired there are 5 things required for sign off;
1. The club has to submit him to the NRL as being eligible to be being medically retired.
2. The player has to agree with the clubs submission and personally request to be medially retired.
3. The club's medical staff and any external specialists have to sign off that he is unable to continue playing, ever.
4. The NRL's appointed medical consultants, after assessing the clubs submission, have to agree and provide their opinion to the NRL.
5. The NRL, considering the available data, has to agree that the players meets the requirements for medical retirement.

Realistically, we could achieve #1 only. It's obvious that Foran doesn't want to retire. Our medical staff and the best shoulder specialist around, at the present time, believe that there is no reason why he can't continue to play. The NRL medical consultants are extremely unlikely to disagree. Hence the NRL would not grant permission for medical retirement.

Precedent, Brett Stewart, complied with #1, #2 and #3 but failed in #4, hence medical retirement #5 was denied by the NRL.


Thanks, all is well just other priorities consumed the available spacetime continuum.

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Aware of as such, thus the alternative avenue of forcing his hand due to employer duty of care to the employee.
If the club feels he can not meet his contracted duties, pays him out for said contract and ensures that they comply with WorkCover and insurance requirements, I see nil reason they're unable to remove him from the books entirely.
Sure, we will not get a concession from NRLol in our salary cap, yet realising that would of only been the icing on the cake in this instance.
There is nothing he is able to afford the club and his behaviour demonstrates that his interests do not lie with the club, the team, nor his team mates.
 

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Aware of as such, thus the alternative avenue of forcing his hand due to employer duty of care to the employee.
If the club feels he can not meet his contracted duties, pays him out for said contract and ensures that they comply with WorkCover and insurance requirements, I see nil reason they're unable to remove him from the books entirely.
Sure, we will not get a concession from NRLol in our salary cap, yet realising that would of only been the icing on the cake in this instance.
There is nothing he is able to afford the club and his behaviour demonstrates that his interests do not lie with the club, the team, nor his team mates.
Not wishing to get into a to a fro on this, so just to finish my bit;

If the doctors and specialists say that he is OK to play then the workcover and insurance requirements are covered. If the NRL doesn't give salary cap relief then he stays "on the books" until his contract expires (that's November 2020).

You obviously see different things in his behaviour, whereas what I see is a footy player who just flat out loves to play footy with his team mates. Wants to get back on the field as fast as he possibly can and works his ass off to make his recovery as speedy and thorough as possible. He has the utmost respect from his team mates (Bulldogs and Kiwis) because he has earned it and he desperately wants to repay us for, what he has said many times, not providing value for money.

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Not wishing to get into a to a fro on this, so just to finish my bit;

If the doctors and specialists say that he is OK to play then the workcover and insurance requirements are covered. If the NRL doesn't give salary cap relief then he stays "on the books" until his contract expires (that's November 2020).

You obviously see different things in his behaviour, whereas what I see is a footy player who just flat out loves to play footy with his team mates. Wants to get back on the field as fast as he possibly can and works his ass off to make his recovery as speedy and thorough as possible. He has the utmost respect from his team mates (Bulldogs and Kiwis) because he has earned it and he desperately wants to repay us for, what he has said many times, not providing value for money.

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You are correct about the first part, and you're way off with the second part
 

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Not wishing to get into a to a fro on this, so just to finish my bit;

If the doctors and specialists say that he is OK to play then the workcover and insurance requirements are covered. If the NRL doesn't give salary cap relief then he stays "on the books" until his contract expires (that's November 2020).

You obviously see different things in his behaviour, whereas what I see is a footy player who just flat out loves to play footy with his team mates. Wants to get back on the field as fast as he possibly can and works his ass off to make his recovery as speedy and thorough as possible. He has the utmost respect from his team mates (Bulldogs and Kiwis) because he has earned it and he desperately wants to repay us for, what he has said many times, not providing value for money.

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IT appears as simple as one viewing from NRL aspect and the other viewing from a legal aspect.
Both points hold merit, yet ultimately, the law reigns supreme and unless the NRLol is willing to accept liability for forcing medical negligence suits on clubs, then they've nil leg to stand upon and clubs need to view the long game.
I strongly suspect in 10 or so years, for a bunch of players to come ha in hand, claiming to be crippled due to medical negligence and seeking horrendous payouts.
We already see aspects of this with the concussion rule being introduced.
 

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IT appears as simple as one viewing from NRL aspect and the other viewing from a legal aspect.
Both points hold merit, yet ultimately, the law reigns supreme and unless the NRLol is willing to accept liability for forcing medical negligence suits on clubs, then they've nil leg to stand upon and clubs need to view the long game.
I strongly suspect in 10 or so years, for a bunch of players to come ha in hand, claiming to be crippled due to medical negligence and seeking horrendous payouts.
We already see aspects of this with the concussion rule being introduced.
Slater and Gordon gearing up for it now.
 

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How about the board say something about what's going on with Foran considering what us supporters have had to endure over the last few years, they owe us that but no all we hear is things are looking up etc etc.
And if Foran is resigned whomever makes that decision they better take out life insurance or leave the country.
 

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I don't think they're going to change the rules for us (I don't actually know what the rule is). Whatever the rules state is what we should get and that's the same for any club. I don't necessarily agree with the ruling (assuming it's capped at 350k) especially for a marquee player on his last year expected to be out for all (?) of the season. To prevent a loophole maybe they could make it as long as we agree to not re-sign Foran after 2020 that we could get the 1.2m in full...
If dib and his cronies were in charge they probably would resign him again,but I doubt the current board will go down that path again,.
 

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In a predicament that exposes an unfairness in the NRL’s system for salary cap relief, the Bulldogs could be penalised despite losing Kieran Foran to a shoulder injury while playing for New Zealand.
Kieran Foran is so hellbent on recovering from his recent shoulder surgery that he could cost Canterbury any salary cap relief.

In a predicament that exposes a glaring unfairness in the NRL’s system, the Bulldogs could be penalised for Foran’s determination to recover from the shocking injury he suffered while playing for New Zealand.

While it was initially feared he could miss all of next season, Foran is telling people close to him that he has set himself a target to be back playing by June at the latest, but possibly at some stage in May.

Unfortunately for the Bulldogs, clubs are only entitled to a maximum of $350,000 in cap relief for a player injured while on representative duty if the player has been sidelined for at least 12 NRL games.

Foran’s timeline would potentially have him back on the field just before that period elapses, meaning the Bulldogs would be out of pocket unless there was an immediate change to the guidelines.

The Bulldogs are expected to appeal to the NRL that regardless of when Foran returns they should still be entitled to the maximum salary cap relief.

The club is expected to get the surgeon’s final report this week and present it to the NRL.

The determination will set a precedent given no other club has yet qualified for the representative injury relief.

Canberra missed out when Jordan Rapana returned to the field just short of the 12-match cut-off.

The Bulldogs would argue that all indications from medical experts were that Foran was facing a minimum of six months on the sideline but possibly as many as 10
It seems ludicrous that the limit is capped at $350,000 for all players, especially when Foran is the Bulldogs’ highest- paid player on $1.2 million.

He was also fit and healthy when he left for Kiwi camp but returned home requiring two shoulder operations.

There is no disputing when the injury occurred given it happened in front of everyone watching the Test.

It would also seem unfair to make a club wait until June to find out if it qualifies for salary cap relief. By then, it would probably be too late to spend the money in next year’s cap.

Foran has every reason to be pushing himself to get back early given he is off contract at the end of next season and will be fighting for his future.

He is 29 but has indicated he has no plan to retire any time soon. The football he played this year was proof that, when fit, he is still up with the NRL’s elite playmakers

That's the article
If it wasn't so laughable I would cry. Reminds me of the episode from Seinfeld the Soup Nazi....
This one is an abridged version.
https://www.zerotackle.com/report-b...1o0bNYlr5QC5vxZkQSFfgQA1KZj0Cvvg-wqertncpQfDA
 

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Hahaha, Rapana was back in round 2 or 3, that's some artistic license right there
Exactly. When initially done it was to be a six months recovery yet he returned round 2 but then got injured again and had another stint on the sidelines...Foran is a different case as he is just about always injured and has exacerbated the shoulder injury.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6122797/raiders-get-mixed-news-on-jordan-rapana-injury/

It was a relief for the Raiders after initial concerns Rapana could have damaged his anterior cruciate ligament, which would have ended his season and required a knee reconstruction.

Rapana will miss games against the South Sydney Rabbitohs, North Queensland Cowboys, Canterbury Bulldogs, Wests Tigers and the Cronulla Sharks.


Although, his unusual healing powers could see him back on the field earlier than three to four-week time frame the Raiders have set for his return.

Rapana was expected to be unavailable for selection until round 10 after dislocating his shoulder twice and having surgery at the end of last year.

Rapana made a remarkable recovery and played in round two this year, surprising everyone with his quick return to the field.

He then damaged his rib cartilage against Manly and was ruled out for up to three weeks, but ended up missing just one game.
 

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I feel for Foran, it shouldn't be considered his fault we lose compensation. If he wants to try and play on that is his right. If a player is injured during an international there should be compensation full stop. Clubs have to make players available for these fixtures so there should be insurance.
It is no wonder clubs are unwilling to release some of their top players for Internationals. The club pays the freight and the club is the one that is inconvenienced when a player is unavailable for long periods of time, especially when the game is played out of season disrupting pre season training ; injury at club level is bad enough but in a game not related to the competition proper it is another matter.
 
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