News Bulldogs could be denied salary cap relief for Kieran Foran injury!

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I think in Boyds case though, he is hanging around out of spite because the Broncs wanted Bennett gone so they could bring Seibold to the club.
I think it's because he is money hungry, just like Foran.
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

1. Foran isn't "money hungry", firstly he would get paid workers comp insurance if he can't earn an income as per the Players Association Agreement with the NRL in 2014. Secondly, we would pay him what his contract states that he is entitled to. Thirdly I'm sure his father could spare a couple of million if he really needed it.

2. Our problem is not money, as in the cash that we pay Foran, we can afford it. What is a problem for us is how much of what we pay him is included in our Salary Cap. They are very different matters and should not be confused.

3. Having spoken to many of them, many times, it's plain that Foran is well respected by both Bulldogs and Kiwi players. For his playing ability as well as his dedication to training, recovery and playing in the face of adversity.

4. Foran will come back if he can, not for money, but because he just flat out loves to play football, lives for the competition. He knows that when you are retired, it's over, there's no more playing the game that you have played since you were young.

5. The medical question of how long Foran is unable to fully train and play is not simple to answer and it will change from week to week. It's stupid for us to expect a definitive timetable a couple of days after complex surgery.

6. This shows up the real problem with the NRL cap relief, we need the relief now but no one can say for certain how long Foran is going to be out for. It's the ultimate Catch 22 and the NRL has to make a call. If you want to scream at someone it's the NRL you should be shouting at, they are the ones who are farting around, make the call you effwits.

7. We can't blame Foran, it's not up to him how long his non playing period is, aside from him working hard (as he has always done) on his recovery. The ultimate decision on when he can even begin recovery on the arm is on the doctor and specialist, who is regarded as the best in the country with shoulder injuries (ask Billy Slater). That's weeks away, maybe even months, from being determinable.

8 and last. Any comparison between Foran and Inglis and Burgess is quite simply ridiculous. The latter 2 are permanent, no chance of recovery, they're done. Inglis is mentally shot and even now Burgess still can't lift his arm above should height (yes, I have seen it). There is no "will they" or "won't they", no indeterminable timetable for recovery for them.

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Im reading today on wwos that south's won't know for sure if they get full cap relief for Burgess until January, even though he is fully retired.
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

1. Foran isn't "money hungry", firstly he would get paid workers comp insurance if he can't earn an income as per the Players Association Agreement with the NRL in 2014. Secondly, we would pay him what his contract states that he is entitled to. Thirdly I'm sure his father could spare a couple of million if he really needed it.

2. Our problem is not money, as in the cash that we pay Foran, we can afford it. What is a problem for us is how much of what we pay him is included in our Salary Cap. They are very different matters and should not be confused.

3. Having spoken to many of them, many times, it's plain that Foran is well respected by both Bulldogs and Kiwi players. For his playing ability as well as his dedication to training, recovery and playing in the face of adversity.

4. Foran will come back if he can, not for money, but because he just flat out loves to play football, lives for the competition. He knows that when you are retired, it's over, there's no more playing the game that you have played since you were young.

5. The medical question of how long Foran is unable to fully train and play is not simple to answer and it will change from week to week. It's stupid for us to expect a definitive timetable a couple of days after complex surgery.

6. This shows up the real problem with the NRL cap relief, we need the relief now but no one can say for certain how long Foran is going to be out for. It's the ultimate Catch 22 and the NRL has to make a call. If you want to scream at someone it's the NRL you should be shouting at, they are the ones who are farting around, make the call you effwits.

7. We can't blame Foran, it's not up to him how long his non playing period is, aside from him working hard (as he has always done) on his recovery. The ultimate decision on when he can even begin recovery on the arm is on the doctor and specialist, who is regarded as the best in the country with shoulder injuries (ask Billy Slater). That's weeks away, maybe even months, from being determinable.

8 and last. Any comparison between Foran and Inglis and Burgess is quite simply ridiculous. The latter 2 are permanent, no chance of recovery, they're done. Inglis is mentally shot and even now Burgess still can't lift his arm above should height (yes, I have seen it). There is no "will they" or "won't they", no indeterminable timetable for recovery for them.

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The great man returns! Welcome back.

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What would you do if you were in his shoes?
1. shut the fuck up, and not potentially jeopardise any salary cap relief for the club that I've stolen salary cap off for 2 years
2. quietly go about my rehab, if it looks like im good for round 10, come back in Round 13 anyway

alternative
1. retire
2. live off old mans interest stream
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

1. Foran isn't "money hungry", firstly he would get paid workers comp insurance if he can't earn an income as per the Players Association Agreement with the NRL in 2014. Secondly, we would pay him what his contract states that he is entitled to. Thirdly I'm sure his father could spare a couple of million if he really needed it.

2. Our problem is not money, as in the cash that we pay Foran, we can afford it. What is a problem for us is how much of what we pay him is included in our Salary Cap. They are very different matters and should not be confused.

3. Having spoken to many of them, many times, it's plain that Foran is well respected by both Bulldogs and Kiwi players. For his playing ability as well as his dedication to training, recovery and playing in the face of adversity.

4. Foran will come back if he can, not for money, but because he just flat out loves to play football, lives for the competition. He knows that when you are retired, it's over, there's no more playing the game that you have played since you were young.

5. The medical question of how long Foran is unable to fully train and play is not simple to answer and it will change from week to week. It's stupid for us to expect a definitive timetable a couple of days after complex surgery.

6. This shows up the real problem with the NRL cap relief, we need the relief now but no one can say for certain how long Foran is going to be out for. It's the ultimate Catch 22 and the NRL has to make a call. If you want to scream at someone it's the NRL you should be shouting at, they are the ones who are farting around, make the call you effwits.

7. We can't blame Foran, it's not up to him how long his non playing period is, aside from him working hard (as he has always done) on his recovery. The ultimate decision on when he can even begin recovery on the arm is on the doctor and specialist, who is regarded as the best in the country with shoulder injuries (ask Billy Slater). That's weeks away, maybe even months, from being determinable.

8 and last. Any comparison between Foran and Inglis and Burgess is quite simply ridiculous. The latter 2 are permanent, no chance of recovery, they're done. Inglis is mentally shot and even now Burgess still can't lift his arm above should height (yes, I have seen it). There is no "will they" or "won't they", no indeterminable timetable for recovery for them.

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Great post mate, welcome back.

If there was ever a member who the forum was looking forward to making a comeback, it is the great @TwinTurbo
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

"Inglis is mentally shot"

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actually a habitual drunkard, he is getting paid $300,000 a year @ Souths Cares for doing effectively nothing, posing for a few photos seems to be his job and strangely no “early retirement on medical grounds / injury” claim has been lodged with the insurance underwriter CGU? Yet Souths got the salary cap exception?

Also good to have you back.
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

1. Foran isn't "money hungry", firstly he would get paid workers comp insurance if he can't earn an income as per the Players Association Agreement with the NRL in 2014. Secondly, we would pay him what his contract states that he is entitled to. Thirdly I'm sure his father could spare a couple of million if he really needed it.

2. Our problem is not money, as in the cash that we pay Foran, we can afford it. What is a problem for us is how much of what we pay him is included in our Salary Cap. They are very different matters and should not be confused.

3. Having spoken to many of them, many times, it's plain that Foran is well respected by both Bulldogs and Kiwi players. For his playing ability as well as his dedication to training, recovery and playing in the face of adversity.

4. Foran will come back if he can, not for money, but because he just flat out loves to play football, lives for the competition. He knows that when you are retired, it's over, there's no more playing the game that you have played since you were young.

5. The medical question of how long Foran is unable to fully train and play is not simple to answer and it will change from week to week. It's stupid for us to expect a definitive timetable a couple of days after complex surgery.

6. This shows up the real problem with the NRL cap relief, we need the relief now but no one can say for certain how long Foran is going to be out for. It's the ultimate Catch 22 and the NRL has to make a call. If you want to scream at someone it's the NRL you should be shouting at, they are the ones who are farting around, make the call you effwits.

7. We can't blame Foran, it's not up to him how long his non playing period is, aside from him working hard (as he has always done) on his recovery. The ultimate decision on when he can even begin recovery on the arm is on the doctor and specialist, who is regarded as the best in the country with shoulder injuries (ask Billy Slater). That's weeks away, maybe even months, from being determinable.

8 and last. Any comparison between Foran and Inglis and Burgess is quite simply ridiculous. The latter 2 are permanent, no chance of recovery, they're done. Inglis is mentally shot and even now Burgess still can't lift his arm above should height (yes, I have seen it). There is no "will they" or "won't they", no indeterminable timetable for recovery for them.

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Point 8. Foran is more cripple than Inglis and Burgess together. How many games in total have the 3 players mentioned played in the last 3 years?
 

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Quick post to clear up some of the BS floating around;

1. Foran isn't "money hungry", firstly he would get paid workers comp insurance if he can't earn an income as per the Players Association Agreement with the NRL in 2014. Secondly, we would pay him what his contract states that he is entitled to. Thirdly I'm sure his father could spare a couple of million if he really needed it.

2. Our problem is not money, as in the cash that we pay Foran, we can afford it. What is a problem for us is how much of what we pay him is included in our Salary Cap. They are very different matters and should not be confused.

3. Having spoken to many of them, many times, it's plain that Foran is well respected by both Bulldogs and Kiwi players. For his playing ability as well as his dedication to training, recovery and playing in the face of adversity.

4. Foran will come back if he can, not for money, but because he just flat out loves to play football, lives for the competition. He knows that when you are retired, it's over, there's no more playing the game that you have played since you were young.

5. The medical question of how long Foran is unable to fully train and play is not simple to answer and it will change from week to week. It's stupid for us to expect a definitive timetable a couple of days after complex surgery.

6. This shows up the real problem with the NRL cap relief, we need the relief now but no one can say for certain how long Foran is going to be out for. It's the ultimate Catch 22 and the NRL has to make a call. If you want to scream at someone it's the NRL you should be shouting at, they are the ones who are farting around, make the call you effwits.

7. We can't blame Foran, it's not up to him how long his non playing period is, aside from him working hard (as he has always done) on his recovery. The ultimate decision on when he can even begin recovery on the arm is on the doctor and specialist, who is regarded as the best in the country with shoulder injuries (ask Billy Slater). That's weeks away, maybe even months, from being determinable.

8 and last. Any comparison between Foran and Inglis and Burgess is quite simply ridiculous. The latter 2 are permanent, no chance of recovery, they're done. Inglis is mentally shot and even now Burgess still can't lift his arm above should height (yes, I have seen it). There is no "will they" or "won't they", no indeterminable timetable for recovery for them.

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Lucky he can't lift his arm above shoulder heightimages%20(18).jpeg
 

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The club needs to tell Foran that regardless of his recovery time the earliest he is allowed back is round 13. This way we get the 350k. Foran should accept that proposal.
Can you really do that if the doc says they're ok....well probably whst I mean is can the "Bulldogs" do that? :grinning:)
Medically retire him under duty of care concerns.
Fuck him if he doesn't like it.
Advise him the Workcover insurer will now take over his medical and rehabilitation issues.
Just get him out of Belmore for good!

Welcome back, a few here, despite their misgivings over your views at times, have been concerned about your welfare.
Also, I've taken the liberty of being first ;)
 
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Foran is like a decaying corpse shit just keeps falling off him.... he makes Chase Stanley look like the Terminator
 

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Medicly retire him under duty of care concerns.
Fuck him if he doesn't like it.
Advise him the workcover insurer will now take over his medical and rehabilitation issues.
Just get him out of Belmore for good!
For a player to be medically retired there are 5 things required for sign off;
1. The club has to submit him to the NRL as being eligible to be being medically retired.
2. The player has to agree with the clubs submission and personally request to be medially retired.
3. The club's medical staff and any external specialists have to sign off that he is unable to continue playing, ever.
4. The NRL's appointed medical consultants, after assessing the clubs submission, have to agree and provide their opinion to the NRL.
5. The NRL, considering the available data, has to agree that the players meets the requirements for medical retirement.

Realistically, we could achieve #1 only. It's obvious that Foran doesn't want to retire. Our medical staff and the best shoulder specialist around, at the present time, believe that there is no reason why he can't continue to play. The NRL medical consultants are extremely unlikely to disagree. Hence the NRL would not grant permission for medical retirement.

Precedent, Brett Stewart, complied with #1, #2 and #3 but failed in #4, hence medical retirement #5 was denied by the NRL.

Welcome back, a few here, despite their misgivings over your views at times, have been concerned about your welfare.
Also, I've taken the liberty of being first ;)
Thanks, all is well just other priorities consumed the available spacetime continuum.

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Time to do what the Roosters do..... either plant drugs on him or spike his drink bottle then drug test him and sack him

he won’t retire but 10yrs down the track will probably sue us because he’s a mangled crippled mess... he’s like a squatter that refuses to leave
 

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For a player to be medically retired there are 5 things required for sign off;
1. The club has to submit him to the NRL as being eligible to be being medically retired.
2. The player has to agree with the clubs submission and personally request to be medially retired.
3. The club's medical staff and any external specialists have to sign off that he is unable to continue playing, ever.
4. The NRL's appointed medical consultants, after assessing the clubs submission, have to agree and provide their opinion to the NRL.
5. The NRL, considering the available data, has to agree that the players meets the requirements for medical retirement.

Realistically, we could achieve #1 only. It's obvious that Foran doesn't want to retire. Our medical staff and the best shoulder specialist around, at the present time, believe that there is no reason why he can't continue to play. The NRL medical consultants are extremely unlikely to disagree. Hence the NRL would not grant permission for medical retirement.

Precedent, Brett Stewart, complied with #1, #2 and #3 but failed in #4, hence medical retirement #5 was denied by the NRL.


Thanks, all is well just other priorities consumed the available spacetime continuum.

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The NRL must have different clauses as I know many employers are able to medically retire employees without their consent
 

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If you can hang in there for this long video...there's some explanations on here re medical retirements.

To Sum up ...it would be too much paperwork etc to proceed against a footy player who wont accept the need to stop playing for his own health. Club's hands are tied one suspects but to cover themselves down the track, they need to document all of his records and the doctor's findings, with the NRLol and the players union, stating that they felt medical retirement was in his best interest for quality of life in the future.

https://www.injuredworkerssupport.org.au/medical-retirement-your-questions-answered/
 

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This strikes me as another case of just because the club aren’t saying anything doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything.

These people are not idiots. I’m sure they’ve received all appropriate and relevant advice in terms of what the options are and compensation for as applies to Foran. It will play out per those specifics.

Hard to see a renewal for Foran beyond 2020 but stranger things have happened.
 
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