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You can develop an unhealthy addiction to sex but it does not necessarily mean you will become aroused by animals and what not.

Despite what many believe .
You don't always need a holy book to dictate what is right and wrong.

We are smart enough to know whats right and wrong for ourselves.
If you don't?
Then you had a very shit upbringing with lousy role models who misguided you.
I'll just leave it with I'm a very sympathetic and empathetic person, I don't need the promise of heaven or the threat of hell to do the right thing by others
 

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I'll just leave it with I'm a very sympathetic and empathetic person, I don't need the promise of heaven or the threat of hell to do the right thing by others
As George Carlin said not long before he died.
At which point does one ask himself when does all this break down and become a bunch of bullshit that someone made up?
 

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You can develop an unhealthy addiction to sex but it does not necessarily mean you will become aroused by animals and what not.

Despite what many believe .
You don't always need a holy book to dictate what is right and wrong.

We are smart enough to know whats right and wrong for ourselves.
If you don't?
Then you had a very shit upbringing with lousy role models who misguided you.
And that’s exactly what’s happening, each generation becomes lousier and lousier and you expect them to become good parents and good role models, yeh right!

Morals, what are morals these days?

Things that were considered morally wrong only 50 years ago are now glorified.

God help us and help our children.

And no, an unhealthy appetite for sex does not lead directly to having sex with animals, but what it does is that it reduces the sacredness of sexual intercourse to merely a commodity. When it should be used by married couples as an expression of love for each other and open to procreation. It’s more fulfilling and enjoyable that way.
 

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Morals, what are morals these days?

Things that were considered morally wrong only 50 years ago are now glorified.
Yep. 50 years ago many considered it morally wrong for a black person and a white person to marry. It was considered so morally wrong that the black person would often be beaten to death.

Society evolves to remove the morally corrupt.
 

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Yep. 50 years ago many considered it morally wrong for a black person and a white person to marry. It was considered so morally wrong that the black person would often be beaten to death.

Society evolves to remove the morally corrupt.
Sorry mate, but you are the biggest STRAW MAN poster on this forum. For those that don’t know what a STRAW MAN is then read this definition:

“An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.”

Yes, the blacks were treated as practically non human and second class citizens, so were the Jews in the holocaust who were slaughtered. But what’s the difference today? Babies are treated as non human in their mothers wombs in today’s times and are slaughtered at a rate of close to 60 million babies a year worldwide. There is no comparison. There are more divorces and broken families in today’s times than there was in all of history and one of the main culprit is the easy access that men have to porn 24/7 on the internet and their smart phones. Because of this men no longer see their wives as being attractive because there is something else that is giving them pleasure and so relationship problems start. Even children have easy access to porn these days and look at women as objects. How are little boys going to respect women when they get older if their little minds are corrupted from such a young age. Broken families lead to most children going through hardships and may turn to drugs and alcohol. Drugs are so easily accessible to young teenagers these days and many families suffer from it. I can mention so many other things but it’s no use.

Your argument that society evolves to remove the morally corrupt is a joke. You are comparing events of the past with bigger issues that we face in today’s society that people like you simply brush aside, Straw man.
 

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Sorry mate, but you are the biggest STRAW MAN poster on this forum. For those that don’t know what a STRAW MAN is then read this definition:

“An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.”

Yes, the blacks were treated as practically non human and second class citizens, so were the Jews in the holocaust who were slaughtered. But what’s the difference today? Babies are treated as non human in their mothers wombs in today’s times and are slaughtered at a rate of close to 60 million babies a year worldwide. There is no comparison. There are more divorces and broken families in today’s times than there was in all of history and one of the main culprit is the easy access that men have to porn 24/7 on the internet and their smart phones. Because of this men no longer see their wives as being attractive because there is something else that is giving them pleasure and so relationship problems start. Even children have easy access to porn these days and look at women as objects. How are little boys going to respect women when they get older if their little minds are corrupted from such a young age. Broken families lead to most children going through hardships and may turn to drugs and alcohol. Drugs are so easily accessible to young teenagers these days and many families suffer from it. I can mention so many other things but it’s no use.

Your argument that society evolves to remove the morally corrupt is a joke. You are comparing events of the past with bigger issues that we face in today’s society that people like you simply brush aside, Straw man.
Are you guys serious? Porn leads to divorces and broken marriages?

And really I'm not going to start on the abortion shit because a whole bunch of lies, especially by the idiot who started the thread, have been posted in that thread.

In all honesty, I know you don't mean it, but there's a a whole lot of misogyny in some of the responses to these two topics, ie divorce and abortion,in this forum
 

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If you don’t believe Porn leads to divorces and broken marriages then I can’t help you. It’s not the only thing that leads to divorces and broken marriages but it’s one of the main reasons.

The culture of death is blinded and anesthetised by certain issues ruining families, marriages and our young generation.
 

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If you don’t believe Porn leads to divorces and broken marriages then I can’t help you. It’s not the only thing that leads to divorces and broken marriages but it’s one of the main reasons.

The culture of death is blinded and anesthetised by certain issues ruining families, marriages and our young generation.
I’ve witnessed couples walk into adult shops on many occasions.
No doubt in attempts to strengthen their sexual relationship.

Problem with porn it’s not as good as it’s portrayed.
I’ve watched interviews with pornstars and heard them say it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
Always heaps of bloopers and editing.
 
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If you don’t believe Porn leads to divorces and broken marriages then I can’t help you. It’s not the only thing that leads to divorces and broken marriages but it’s one of the main reasons.

The culture of death is blinded and anesthetised by certain issues ruining families, marriages and our young generation.
Care to post the data that porn is one of the main reasons for divorce?
 

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If we were to look at why marriages lasted longer >50 years ago I could probably draw up a fair immoral list

*women were much more dependant on their spouses thereby making it harder for them to leave a faulty marriage
*women were to know their place (in abusive relationships) and because of the lack of independence, were forced to stay in those marriages
*society looked down on divorces so a couple in a loveless marriage stayed together and lived out their marriage/lives in shit emotional circumstances (sometimes shit happens and two people aren't right for each other)
*people had less ambition in life, it was common amongst society that the only goal in life was to get married and have kids

So to argue that it is somehow more immoral today just doesn't wash
 

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Sorry mate, but you are the biggest STRAW MAN poster on this forum. For those that don’t know what a STRAW MAN is then read this definition:

“An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.”

Yes, the blacks were treated as practically non human and second class citizens, so were the Jews in the holocaust who were slaughtered. But what’s the difference today? Babies are treated as non human in their mothers wombs in today’s times and are slaughtered at a rate of close to 60 million babies a year worldwide. There is no comparison. There are more divorces and broken families in today’s times than there was in all of history and one of the main culprit is the easy access that men have to porn 24/7 on the internet and their smart phones. Because of this men no longer see their wives as being attractive because there is something else that is giving them pleasure and so relationship problems start. Even children have easy access to porn these days and look at women as objects. How are little boys going to respect women when they get older if their little minds are corrupted from such a young age. Broken families lead to most children going through hardships and may turn to drugs and alcohol. Drugs are so easily accessible to young teenagers these days and many families suffer from it. I can mention so many other things but it’s no use.

Your argument that society evolves to remove the morally corrupt is a joke. You are comparing events of the past with bigger issues that we face in today’s society that people like you simply brush aside, Straw man.
I don't think you understand what a straw man is. It requires my scenario to be implausible. But as you pointed out yourself, black people were seen as less than human and that was a moral standpoint. You even gave the definition which said:

"An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.”

A straw man implies that I am pretending you said something that you didn't. You clearly said, "Things that were considered morally wrong only 50 years ago are now glorified"

I was merely pointing out the flaw in your arguement. In fact, what you did was verging on strawmanning me.

Please learn the correct usage of debate terms before you attempt to use them to attack my position.
 

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If you don’t believe Porn leads to divorces and broken marriages then I can’t help you. It’s not the only thing that leads to divorces and broken marriages but it’s one of the main reasons.

The culture of death is blinded and anesthetised by certain issues ruining families, marriages and our young generation.
You're actually right to a certain extent. Research has shown that pornography in relationships doubles the chance of divorce. Oddly enough though, lowering pornography use only lowers the rates of divorce for women. Men are still just as likely to divorce.

I've never said that it doesn't raise the chance of divorce though. I just said that nothing is wrong with pornography, or strippers or prostitutes.

It's not pornography itself that breaks up the marriage. It's couples not being honest with each other and not working together. If the guy is off watching pornography and hiding it from his Mrs then there's a problem in their relationship.
 

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It's not pornography itself that breaks up the marriage. It's couples not being honest with each other and not working together. If the guy is off watching pornography and hiding it from his Mrs then there's a problem in their relationship.
This here is what I was going to drag out of the other posters

Porn is not the cause but most definitely can exacerbate the underlying problems of that relationship.
 

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You're actually right to a certain extent. Research has shown that pornography in relationships doubles the chance of divorce. Oddly enough though, lowering pornography use only lowers the rates of divorce for women. Men are still just as likely to divorce.

I've never said that it doesn't raise the chance of divorce though. I just said that nothing is wrong with pornography, or strippers or prostitutes.

It's not pornography itself that breaks up the marriage. It's couples not being honest with each other and not working together. If the guy is off watching pornography and hiding it from his Mrs then there's a problem in their relationship.
What about couples that watch porn together?
 

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I don't think you understand what a straw man is. It requires my scenario to be implausible. But as you pointed out yourself, black people were seen as less than human and that was a moral standpoint. You even gave the definition which said:

"An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.”

A straw man implies that I am pretending you said something that you didn't. You clearly said, "Things that were considered morally wrong only 50 years ago are now glorified"

I was merely pointing out the flaw in your arguement. In fact, what you did was verging on strawmanning me.

Please learn the correct usage of debate terms before you attempt to use them to attack my position.
You’re the King of Staw man! Most of your posts are Straw Man arguments. Your name is officially Mr Straw Man! Your very good at twisting things around I must say, but you will never fool me.
 

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This here is what I was going to drag out of the other posters

Porn is not the cause but most definitely can exacerbate the underlying problems of that relationship.
Bullshit, Porn is one of the main causes. It reduces a woman to nothing more than her body. Thus, a man will assume that the greater the body, the greater the value of the woman. With this mindset, men not only expect their wives to look no less perfect than Miss September, they also do not appreciate a woman's most beautiful and precious qualities, since a centerfold display fails to highlight these. This drives men to look elsewhere in an impossible quest to satisfy their disordered appetites. After all, pornography fosters the false mentality that casual, uncommitted sex is the most fulfilling and enjoyable. Who does not want to be fulfilled?
 

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If we were to look at why marriages lasted longer >50 years ago I could probably draw up a fair immoral list

*women were much more dependant on their spouses thereby making it harder for them to leave a faulty marriage
*women were to know their place (in abusive relationships) and because of the lack of independence, were forced to stay in those marriages
*society looked down on divorces so a couple in a loveless marriage stayed together and lived out their marriage/lives in shit emotional circumstances (sometimes shit happens and two people aren't right for each other)
*people had less ambition in life, it was common amongst society that the only goal in life was to get married and have kids

So to argue that it is somehow more immoral today just doesn't wash
So are you saying these days all marriages break up because of women’s independence, or because they have different ambitions in life, or because society says it’s ok to divorce? Is that why marriages break up?
 

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Bullshit, Porn is one of the main causes. It reduces a woman to nothing more than her body. Thus, a man will assume that the greater the body, the greater the value of the woman. With this mindset, men not only expect their wives to look no less perfect than Miss September, they also do not appreciate a woman's most beautiful and precious qualities, since a centerfold display fails to highlight these. This drives men to look elsewhere in an impossible quest to satisfy their disordered appetites. After all, pornography fosters the false mentality that casual, uncommitted sex is the most fulfilling and enjoyable. Who does not want to be fulfilled?
I completely agree with this but it's also a part of misogyny and obviously other underlying issues. As I said porn exacerbates these underlying problems.

So are you saying these days all marriages break up because of women’s independence, or because they have different ambitions in life, or because society says it’s ok to divorce? Is that why marriages break up?
No, I'm saying there's many different reasons as to why marriages break up. My post was merely a reference of the immoral shit going on in the period which you stated was more moral. Hence, retorting your statement that we are more immoral today than yesteryear.

I just don't think your below statement is a basis of truth.

And that’s exactly what’s happening, each generation becomes lousier and lousier and you expect them to become good parents and good role models, yeh right!

Morals, what are morals these days?
Thing is with sex, we are all wired differently and our emotions or addiction or whatever else is a combination of release of natural chemicals in your brain. From a physiological point of view, no two people are the same, we're all wired differently, hence we all internet "pleasures" differently
 

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I completely agree with this but it's also a part of misogyny and obviously other underlying issues. As I said porn exacerbates these underlying problems.



No, I'm saying there's many different reasons as to why marriages break up. My post was merely a reference of the immoral shit going on in the period which you stated was more moral. Hence, retorting your statement that we are more immoral today than yesteryear.

I just don't think your below statement is a basis of truth.



Thing is with sex, we are all wired differently and our emotions or addiction or whatever else is a combination of release of natural chemicals in your brain. From a physiological point of view, no two people are the same, we're all wired differently, hence we all internet "pleasures" differently
CJ, my views that immorality is greater these days than yesteryear is my belief and we can argue all day about it. So we’ll agree to disagree as they say.
 

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Bullshit, Porn is one of the main causes. It reduces a woman to nothing more than her body. Thus, a man will assume that the greater the body, the greater the value of the woman. With this mindset, men not only expect their wives to look no less perfect than Miss September, they also do not appreciate a woman's most beautiful and precious qualities, since a centerfold display fails to highlight these. This drives men to look elsewhere in an impossible quest to satisfy their disordered appetites. After all, pornography fosters the false mentality that casual, uncommitted sex is the most fulfilling and enjoyable. Who does not want to be fulfilled?
It also reduces a man to nothing more than a dick and sometimes balls!
Your point falls short when applied equally!
 
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