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[CaptainJackson]

Id say those academics back then had access to better information than many people do today as there is so much garbage going around these days and dangerous ideologies

So what about today's academics? Do they have shit or good info? When today's academics give an explanation of how certain things came to be, thereby negating the "intelligent creation/design" argument, is this still shit info?

 

[dogwhisperer]

Science doesn't have to disprove a God. The onus of proof is on the theist.

The big bang theory. Offers an explanation of how our current universe was formed. It doesn't mention anything about a God or Gods... it contradicts the theist argument.

The world is indeed intelligently designed, and this is so obvious if one studies the reproductive systems of men and women, the water cycle, the genetic code, the human eye, the human brain, the human immune system, the five human senses, the timing and order of the sun, the earth, the moon, and the stars, etc. And it’s important to remember that most big bangs normally create chaos and ugliness – just look at what happens after an earthquake or a volcano occurring near a large city. But in the case of THE Big Bang, the world and the universe with all of its timing and beauty occurred, which would lead a logical person to come to the conclusion that there was a master big banger behind it all, with a plan and a purpose, namely, GOD !

 

[Rodzilla]

Yep, you're right, they must have been scared

for hundreds of years they burned people for death for not believing in god, so any statements in that time is just self preservation

if gay people took over the military and had total control of the government/media and started killing everyone who didn't like gay sex then 100 years later all Instagram comments in pictures of sexy women by heterosexual men will be something like "im not saying she is going to stop me having gay sex but she is pretty hot"

 

[CaptainJackson]

The world is indeed intelligently designed, and this is so obvious if one studies the reproductive systems of men and women, the water cycle, the genetic code, the human eye, the human brain, the human immune system, the five human senses, the timing and order of the sun, the earth, the moon, and the stars, etc. And it’s important to remember that most big bangs normally create chaos and ugliness – just look at what happens after an earthquake or a volcano occurring near a large city. But in the case of THE Big Bang, the world and the universe with all of its timing and beauty occurred, which would lead a logical person to come to the conclusion that there was a master big banger behind it all, with a plan and a purpose, namely, GOD !

No just no

 

[086]

Surprised the following youtube channel has not been raised as yet.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLhtZqdkjshgq8TqwIjMdCQ

 

[Nano]

So what about today's academics? Do they have shit or good info? When today's academics give an explanation of how certain things came to be, thereby negating the "intelligent creation/design" argument, is this still shit info?

Today’s info isn’t bad but there’s a lot of bs being thrown in due to big company influence, financial limitations and people’s agendas helping sway what info gets out there

No I wouldn’t say it’s shit info when they give proof and theories about how things work, it’s some seem things get murky or you see a lot of info going against theories more and more now that makes you question what info is best and what isn’t that great

 

[Dogna88]

Assassin bro, Think about this for a minute.
It's funny because they proclaim to have no faith/religion etc, but it actually takes more faith to believe that no creator exists than it does to believe a creator exists.
What I mean by this is, just look around you, look at the tress, the animals, the clouds, the ocean, a supply of different minerals and chemicals used by man to create things and build.
Have a think about all those things and can you serioulsy say there is no creator. What about something like the human brain which is the most sophisticated thing that has existed from the beginning of mans existence, can you seriously tell me this sophisticated organ happened to appear just like that out of the blue and was not created?

As I said, it actually takes more of a leap of faith to believe in no creator than it does to believe in a creator.

This is the watchmaker argument.

You are saying. A complex creation (earth) or complex being (humans) need a a designer/creator (God).

This means the designer/creator needs to be intelligent.

Then according to your argument. The designer/creator can not simply just exist. The designer/creator needs a desingnor/creater. Ie. Who created God if a complex design cant just come into exisitence.

 

[Boxer]

Wahhabism is a sect under Islam as much as you may think it's not, wahhabists themselves believe it is Islam.

Cutting off a thieves hands is mentioned in the quran. A whole bunch of mental gymnastics is used to say that that isn't the actual punishment. You know what would have been easier? If God in all his knowledge and power didnt actually use the word cut off, had he actually made it one verse with a simple instruction of how to punish thieves. But instead we're told by Islamic scholars that we have to take into consideration other verses (that aren't in the same place as the cutting off of the hands) to determine punishment.

You stole you get your hand cut off what’s the big deal?
You don’t steal you won’t cop the punishment simple.

 

[Dogna88]

The world is indeed intelligently designed, and this is so obvious if one studies the reproductive systems of men and women, the water cycle, the genetic code, the human eye, the human brain, the human immune system, the five human senses, the timing and order of the sun, the earth, the moon, and the stars, etc. And it’s important to remember that most big bangs normally create chaos and ugliness – just look at what happens after an earthquake or a volcano occurring near a large city. But in the case of THE Big Bang, the world and the universe with all of its timing and beauty occurred, which would lead a logical person to come to the conclusion that there was a master big banger behind it all, with a plan and a purpose, namely, GOD !

See above. Its the watch maker argument. If a complex design needs a creator. Surely God, the most complex of beings needs a creator.

If not. You contradict your argument

 

[Nano]

This is the watchmaker argument.

You are saying. A complex creation (earth) or complex being (humans) need a a designer/creator (God).

This means the designer/creator needs to be intelligent.

Then according to your argument. The designer/creator can not simply just exist. The designer/creator needs a desingnor/creater. Ie. Who created God if a complex design cant just come into exisitence.

I guess that’s one of the paradoxes and issues you run into when getting into the philosophy of this topic, sometimes I do stop and look at how things in nature work and do think some sort of design process rather than chaos has come into play here.

If you look at machine learning and AI with neural
Networks, yes it can evolve but it was designed to be able to evolve and pick what’s best to keep surviving. If humans have been able to recreate this with information systems what about something as complex as a living organism?

 

[Boxer]

Wahhabists think they are muslim but they really are not lol, real Muslims despise them

Can’t say that bro only Allah knows what’s in there hearts and what’s there intentions.

 

[Nano]

Gotta say this thread has been pretty decent, people expressing views and what not with out too much flaming and over moderating

 

[JUNKYARD DOGS]

Gotta always this thread has been pretty decent, people expressing views and what not with out too much flaming and over moderating

Been a couple of "if you aren't with me your a fuckwit" but been pretty good and hasn't got out of hand haha

 

[Dogna88]

I guess that’s one of the paradoxes and issues you run into when getting into the philosophy of this topic, sometimes I do stop and look at how things in nature work and do think some sort of design process rather than chaos has come into play here.

If you look at machine learning and AI with neural
Networks, yes it can evolve but it was designed to be able to evolve and pick what’s best to keep surviving. If humans have been able to recreate this with information systems what about something as complex as a living organism?

But what so so chaotic abouy the absence of a God or designer? (Creation wise, we wont go into the moral side of thing or else we'll be here for ages haha)

The watch maker argument is that. A pardox and issue for a creationist. Its an invalid arugment that become irrelevent. There are plenty arguments to be had for the existence of a God. That isnt one though

 

[Dogna88]

Gotta always this thread has been pretty decent, people expressing views and what not with out too much flaming and over moderating

Without a doubt. I actually feel proud of TK and our little society hahaha

 

[CaptainJackson]

This is the watchmaker argument.

You are saying. A complex creation (earth) or complex being (humans) need a a designer/creator (God).

This means the designer/creator needs to be intelligent.

Then according to your argument. The designer/creator can not simply just exist. The designer/creator needs a desingnor/creater. Ie. Who created God if a complex design cant just come into exisitence.

Beat me to it

 

[Rodzilla]

what if god was created by the big bang ffs

 

[Boxer]

Been a couple of "if you aren't with me your a fuckwit" but been pretty good and hasn't got out of hand haha

That’s because everyone is writing a book for every reply lol

 

[CaptainJackson]

You stole you get your hand cut off what’s the big deal?
You don’t steal you won’t cop the punishment simple.

That becomes a person's personal preference. I think there are much more humane ways to punish a thief than cutting off their hands. I consider that barbaric and could not worship a God that commands that.

 

[Boxer]

This is the watchmaker argument.

You are saying. A complex creation (earth) or complex being (humans) need a a designer/creator (God).

This means the designer/creator needs to be intelligent.

Then according to your argument. The designer/creator can not simply just exist. The designer/creator needs a desingnor/creater. Ie. Who created God if a complex design cant just come into exisitence.

That’s the whole point, the creator has made this life as a test and has given us humans freewill to choose to believe or not.