Opinion Jesse Ramien

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If he does Dugan to dogs as what the rumours were

If that expect Dugan to dogs to get a lot more expose I was told that serveval months ago but it was all done to how much Cronulla will pay.

More or less I told dogs wanted a maqure player and unofficially dugan was offered without him knowing.
Why would we want Dugan?? Vomit
 

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Thinking of our current centres in Holland and Montoya....ummmm
Nope.....Don't need a minute...3secs tops.
Sign the **** NOW!!
3 secs lol..... I’d hope you would blow 4x the legal limit on a breathelizer if your reaction is that slow.

Sign him up!!!!!!
 

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It seems to all revolve around the emergence of Horse for some reason.

People are disappearing off the site without explanation.

If something has changed, we all need to be aware to modify our posts if that is necessary.
Fk Pay and fk Horse

If the mods want to back them then fk them too
 

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I'm friends with his uncle so I'll have a chat to him next time I see him. He might at least be able to let me in on what Jesse is thinking and if we do make an actual offer for him or not.
 

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So apparently Brown called him out Infront of the team and said he wasn't earning his money lololol
 

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Why would we want Dugan?? Vomit
That what I was told as Cronulla were willing to pay a good chuck and this that was the same time at the beginning of the year whe. The rumours started ramian.
 

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Is Papenhuyzen an option? What is his current contract situation? He’s like a Ponga that you could build a team around. I’ve watched him closely past few weeks and have observed his potential...would love us to have a player of his ability!
 

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Josh Dugan..???? The sooky lala that falls down injured like a kid in the under 10's twice a game, and goes off Iimping most weeks.

What a flog gesturing to Gordon Tallis after falling over the line to score the other night...

Tallis was a footballer, Dugan is a bitch.

Not a Dog.
 

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Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.

In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.

Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.

“So we certainly can’t ignore it.”

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.

Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.

A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

It is easier and far cheaper to wheel in a new coach than it is to offload a core group of troublesome players.

That was the risk Brown faced this week. How would unloading a talent like Ramien affect his players?

Players know not only the value of talent but how necessary it is to win.

A backlash on the eve of an important game like this one could be devastating.

Ramien will go elsewhere and somebody will pay him what he believes he should have been getting at Newcastle.

The Knights will fight for their season this afternoon against Manly with a coach who knows his only mistake was not sacking Ramien earlier.

The week before the Roosters they lost to Canterbury, currently second last, and the week after they lost 28-26 to Wests Tigers.

Two wins in some winnable games would have changed their finals chances completely.

Brown is unconcerned about letting Ramien go. He stood up for his club, a fight that is not always returned but was this week.

In the days after Ramien got sacked several senior players call him.

You did the right thing, they said.
 

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Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.

In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.

Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.

“So we certainly can’t ignore it.”

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.

Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.

A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

It is easier and far cheaper to wheel in a new coach than it is to offload a core group of troublesome players.

That was the risk Brown faced this week. How would unloading a talent like Ramien affect his players?

Players know not only the value of talent but how necessary it is to win.

A backlash on the eve of an important game like this one could be devastating.

Ramien will go elsewhere and somebody will pay him what he believes he should have been getting at Newcastle.

The Knights will fight for their season this afternoon against Manly with a coach who knows his only mistake was not sacking Ramien earlier.

The week before the Roosters they lost to Canterbury, currently second last, and the week after they lost 28-26 to Wests Tigers.

Two wins in some winnable games would have changed their finals chances completely.

Brown is unconcerned about letting Ramien go. He stood up for his club, a fight that is not always returned but was this week.

In the days after Ramien got sacked several senior players call him.

You did the right thing, they said.
If all of that is true, and he was underpaid, that's on his manager and himself for agreeing to the amount he signed for, having a sook is just a soft cop out and I back brown 100% on that.

However that whole write up could be a load of rubbish and it more than likely is
 

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Is Papenhuyzen an option? What is his current contract situation? He’s like a Ponga that you could build a team around. I’ve watched him closely past few weeks and have observed his potential...would love us to have a player of his ability!
Available for the 2021 season - you'd assume Storm will have to pick between him or Hughes, Croft was also potentially hooked today/yesterday with Hughes getting some time at 7.
 

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Realisticly we've all acknowledged that, for a while until we have re'established ourselves as credible competitors to players off contract, we will have to pay overs.

That means most of our new signings I guess.

Will just have to hope the Board can manage it the right way.


But saying Api wont get at least $500-$550 elsewhere is naive. Same with Ramien.

And that will be the case with most of the players we need. We'll have to pay it until we can get back to full competitiveness and offer a top line coach as well.

Our new sc reality to be managed.
 

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There's some very alarming things happening.

In everyone's interests, an explanation of what's going on is overdue.

There seems to be undue influence being brought to bare on TK and lots of posters are wanting to know if there are new rules of participation and censoring?

It's gone on a bit too long to blow over and a statement needs to be made IMHO to clear the air or do people want TK to fail?
I've only seen posts of this nature get deleted, due to being off-topic. That's always been the rules

The forum has been running like clockwork from what I've seen.
 

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Realisticly we've all acknowledged that, for a while until we have re'established ourselves as credible competitors to players off contract, we will have to pay overs.

That means most of our new signings I guess.

Will just have to hope the Board can manage it the right way.


But saying Api wont get at least $500-$550 elsewhere is naive. Same with Ramien.

And that will be the case with most of the players we need. We'll have to pay it until we can get back to full competitiveness and offer a top line coach as well.

Our new sc reality to be managed.
Yeah that's why you over pay on marquee/best in the game players that are available so you don't have to overpay on 5+ new players. Other players will come for what they're worth if a 1-2 big signings come through and they can see an ambition.
 

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Whoa ! The reason Montoya and Holland will lift their form in the last few games is they have learnt off Lichaa. Play well at the end of the season and the club will increase your salary and offer you another extended contact
Don’t worry I’d take ramian over the both of them retards ramian hasn’t enjoyed his time at Newcastle I hope we try harder to get him Montoya has had 2 season ending injury’s and Holland can’t get a start they both gone ramian would be a good replacement Newcastle is known as a boys club
 

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I call bullshit on the money side of things.

He specifically wanted to go to Newcastle to be closer to his kid.

He knew exactly what he was offered and he was happy enough to take the deal.

All of a sudden he is not happy with his pay and asks for a release to be further away from his kid?

Who knows maybe he now has the opportunity to take his kid with him to wherever his next destination is, but i reckon there is more to it
 
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