RUMOUR: Latrell Mitchell Consolidated Thread

[JayBee]

What happens if they all say yes? We have no money for anyone else.


Go Dogs

Latrell = not worth it IMO (not yet anyway)
Turbo and Jurbo = would jump at them.

 

[rainman]

next thing Mitchell will say its been his life long dream to play NFL

 

[bradyk]

What happens if they all say yes? We have no money for anyone else.


Go Dogs

Well if we got Tom and Jake that would be ~25% of our top 17 salary cap (assuming 18-30 is on minimal wage ~100k), very doable as the other 15 players would need to be on an average of ~400k. You're allowed to have average (experience hopefully)/young players in a squad with a marquee player (assuming he's a game winner and performs).

 

[Cosmo24]

I’d be happy if we threw $2M at the brothers. If Manly matched it they’d be paying ~$3M to three players including DCE. Then we could maybe snag Taupau and one of their hookers for cheaper

 

[D- voice]

To rebuild the team we should start with the most urgent positions and in my opinion it's:
1. Hooker...we are most desperate for
2. Two X-factors, a Fullback and a Halfback to attract both sponsors and fans
3. A very big solid Prop to take us forward
It could only happen if we get a very highly qualified and respected coach.
There is a lot of overpaid dead wood in our club

 

[TwinTurbo]

What happens if they all say yes? We have no money for anyone else.

Well if we got Tom and Jake that would be ~25% of our top 17 salary cap (assuming 18-30 is on minimal wage ~100k), very doable as the other 15 players would need to be on an average of ~400k. You're allowed to have average (experience hopefully)/young players in a squad with a marquee player (assuming he's a game winner and performs).

Firstly, there's 30 players plus up to 5 "development" players and the minimum is $105k. The cap at $9.6m over 30 players is $340k average.

We absolutely need a hooker (say $750k) and a 1/2 (at least $1m) and a 5/8 (another $1m, be it Foran or someone else), that's what I meant by all. Together with Mitchell and Trbojevics x 2, that's ~$6m, leaving ~$3.6m for 24 players, or $150k average each. But its worse than that as not everyone's contract finishes in 2020.

Go Dogs

 

[BMOC]

I still say a big yes to Latrell Mitchell. People on the kennel love to be influenced by other people (those in the media). Latrell was being called a "superstar" and the next inglis. It gets reported that the dogs are interested and all of a sudden he has all these critics. people saying he is not that good, played shit in origin and risky move for dogs blah blah. Well let's face it, people say this bullshit in the media because they don't want the dogs to sign decent players or be competitive.

No one can persuade me that Latrell is a shit player and that he shouldn't come to the dogs. he is a superstar according to me and he can completely change the dogs.

 

[bradyk]

Firstly, there's 30 players plus up to 5 "development" players and the minimum is $105k. The cap at $9.6m over 30 players is $340k average.

We absolutely need a hooker (say $750k) and a 1/2 (at least $1m) and a 5/8 (another $1m, be it Foran or someone else), that's what I meant by all. Together with Mitchell and Trbojevics x 2, that's ~$6m, leaving ~$3.6m for 24 players, or $150k average each. But its worse than that as not everyone's contract finishes in 2020.

Go Dogs

Well if we resign Foran it'll be ~500k. I don't think we'll sign Mitchell + Tom. If we sign Mitchell on that money it would be to play fullback. Also the salary cap is 8.3 if you pay 18-30 100k which is ~400k (that's including the Trbo brothers) at least average for the other 15 players... even with your "development" players.

 

[BMOC]

Firstly, there's 30 players plus up to 5 "development" players and the minimum is $105k. The cap at $9.6m over 30 players is $340k average.

We absolutely need a hooker (say $750k) and a 1/2 (at least $1m) and a 5/8 (another $1m, be it Foran or someone else), that's what I meant by all. Together with Mitchell and Trbojevics x 2, that's ~$6m, leaving ~$3.6m for 24 players, or $150k average each. But its worse than that as not everyone's contract finishes in 2020.

Go Dogs

But Tedesco signed for big bucks at the Roosters. Cronk also signed on for big bucks. Latrell is apparently getting 450k (which is still decent bucks). Oh wait. They also have Cordner, JWH and a whole squad that demands big bucks with still room to wiggle in the cap. There is no such thing as maths at the roosters.

In fact, the salary cap is not as simple as you are making it sound.

The NRL salary cap is not a simple addition/multiplication exercise. What we all know as a fact is that the dogs have plenty of room in the cap (or will have very soon). I say the dogs have capacity to sign latrell (on a massive deal) as well as the trbojevic brothers with no dramas and still have enough cash to splash on the rest of the squad

 

[LoneWolf]

Look at the difference high involvement outside backs can make to a side, we saw this clearly last night during SOO. Latrell is simply not the right player to build around, huge mistake if the club makes this offer.

Easy assumption to make when the forwards completely dominated qld ..

The 1 player though that made a big difference early on was Tom T

He’s influence contributed to the dominance NSW had .. Class player

Should make him the first 1.5m/ year player

 

[Abu Dhabi Dog]

You do not build a squad around a centre and a million dollar one at that.

It was obvious to see last night in the Origin what a good and experienced halve does and brings to a team - James Maloney

All previous NRL premiership winners had a complete spine

18' - Tedesco, Keary, Cronk, Friend
17' - Slater, Munster, Cronk, Smith
16' - Barba, Maloney, Townsend, Ennis
15' - Coote, Morgan, Thurston, Granville

And so on, and so on and so on.

Interesting Facts;

2013 - Roosters recruited Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2015 - Cowboys recruited Jake Granville to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2016 - Cronulla recruited James Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2018 - Roosters recruited James Tedesco and Cooper Cronk to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

If people cannot see and realise you are no hope without a complete spine to have a crack at the premiership, than these people just cannot be helped!

Bellamy got rid of Inglis because he knew his spine was more important than a centre.

Latrell definitely is a good player, but he aint worth the contract Canterbury is "supposedly" throwing at him.

We are NOWHERE NEAR close at having a crack at the 8, let alone 4 with Meaney, Cogger, Lewis, Foran, Lichaa and JMK.

 

[Daustin]

Tommy T is a footballer. Probably one of the purest I have seen in a long long time.

Craves the ball, and will go looking for it. Quick, gets amongst it.

Would throw a million at him and his brother without hesitation.

i actually played junior footy with him for a few years at mona vale, was always a freak

 

[TwinTurbo]

In fact, the salary cap is not as simple as you are making it sound

The Salary Cap itself is very simple, we have $9.6m to cover 30 players, minimum is $105k, average is $340k.
How each club administers it is complex, especially when we had hugely back ended contracts, that meant we had a $9.6m team in 2017 that was (unchanged) going to be a $13m team in 2018.

Go Dogs

 

[bradyk]

The Salary Cap itself is very simple, we have $9.6m to cover 30 players, minimum is $105k, average is $340k.
How each club administers it is complex, especially when we had hugely back ended contracts, that meant we had a $9.6m team in 2017 that was (unchanged) a $13m team in 2018.

Go Dogs

yes, but average is really almost 500k because 18-30 are on minimal wage (8.3/17), safe to say 400k with a little extra given out and bad signings, etc.

 

[Craystar]

You do not build a squad around a centre and a million dollar one at that.

It was obvious to see last night in the Origin what a good and experience halve does and brings to a team - James Maloney

All previous NRL premiership winners had a complete spine

18' - Tedesco, Keary, Cronk, Friend
17' - Slater, Munster, Cronk, Smith
16' - Barba, Maloney, Townsend, Ennis
15' - Coote, Morgan, Thurston, Granville

And so on, and so on and so on.

Interesting Facts;

2013 - Roosters recruited Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2015 - Cowboys recruited Jake Granville to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2016 - Cronulla recruited James Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

2018 - Roosters recruited James Tedesco and Cooper Cronk to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

If people cannot see and realise you are no hope without a complete spine to have a crack at the premiership, than these people just cannot be helped!

Bellamy got rid of Inglis because he knew his spine was more important than a centre.

Latrell definitely is a good player, but he aint worth the contract Canterbury is "supposedly" throwing at him.

We are NOWHERE NEAR close at having a crack at the 8, let alone 4 with Meaney, Cogger, Lewis, Foran, Lichaa and JMK.

Common sense would agree, and I agree with you.

Though, with limited spine players available what and who would you recruite?

 

[TABOO]

Tommy T is a footballer. Probably one of the purest I have seen in a long long time.

Craves the ball, and will go looking for it. Quick, gets amongst it.

Would throw a million at him and his brother without hesitation.

He is an outstanding player as is Jake. Would love to have these two at our club for sure.

 

[GrogDog]

IMO put the offer towards Lattrell and towards the Tro brothers. Best case we get all 3 and more then a huge way towards players forging the future. Worst case we get none but make the club who does sign pay more then they wanted too. While this is happening have plan B, C, D and whatever else in play so we can steal other players that those clubs can't retain having signed the previous. As always the Coach, spine and a forward pack to dominate should be the priorities.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Interesting Facts;
2013 - Roosters recruited Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year.

But they also had Michael Jennings in his prime at centre.

2015 - Cowboys recruited Jake Granville to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

But they also had Taumalolo at lock and O'Neil at centre.

2016 - Cronulla recruited James Maloney to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

But they also had Bird at centre and the killer wide playing 2nd row of Lewis and Graham.

2018 - Roosters recruited James Tedesco and Cooper Cronk to complete their spine and they took out the premiership the same year

They had Mitchell and Manu as centres.

Bellamy got rid of Inglis because he knew his spine was more important than a centre.

And they have only won one premiership since, proof that even they need a decent centre/wide playing 2nd row to complete the puzzle.

definitely is a good player, but he aint worth the contract Canterbury is "supposedly" throwing at him.

Mitchell if recruited serves 2 purposes, firstly he is recognised as the best centre going around, which means he also will attract other players who want to play with him. It would also demonstrate that we are serious with our recruiting, which in itself will also attract higher calibre players who want the chance to win a premiership.

If people cannot see and realise you are no hope without a complete spine to have a crack at the premiership, than these people just cannot be helped!

I don't think anyone will argue that decent spine is required, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that a decent centre / wide running back row is also a prerequisite.

We shouldn't overlook the fact that decent spine players aren't exactly common, let alone come along at the same time in a matched set (ie; 1 x hooker, 1 x 1/2, 1 x 5/8 and 1 x fullback). So it's not like we can pass on Mitchell and rely on the vague hope that 4 decent spine players will suddenly become available.

Go Dogs

 

[Abu Dhabi Dog]

Common sense would agree, and I agree with you.

Though, with limited spine players available what and who would you recruite?

I would start with the hooker - Jayden Brailey. It is obvious from Jayden himself who is looking to leave at the end of the year for an opportunity as a starting hooker. He is no Smith or Cook, but he is very capable.

Turbo brothers - Very unlikely they will leave Manly, BUT i would throw an unbelievable offer and make sure every Tom, Dick n Harry in Australia is aware of the offer Canterbury has thrown there way. $2.2m for both brothers. $1.3m-$1.4m for Tom and 800k-900k for Jake, and offer one of the boys the Captaincy.

Halves - This is an extremely difficult one as there is not much on offer at all. We are fucked

 

[Smirrors]

Turbo brothers - Very unlikely they will leave Manly, BUT i would throw an unbelievable offer and make sure every Tom, Dick n Harry in Australia is aware of the offer Canterbury has thrown there way. $2.2m for both brothers. $1.3m-$1.4m for Tom and 800k-900k for Jake, and offer one of the boys the Captaincy.

Halves - This is an extremely difficult one as there is not much on offer at all. We are fucked

This is the real question. If Manly already have the T bros, DCE, Taupau and Co why arent they winning the comp as they are ticking all the right boxes according to some.

Where is the bulldog DNA coming from? Who is going to get the most out of the players?