News HIA Policy in the spotlight after Hughes plays on.

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/st...cussion-after-head-clash-20190526-p51rc0.html

The NRL's HIA policy is under fire with bloodied Melbourne fullback Jahrome Hughes allowed to play on after a sickening head clash in the Storm's 28-6 win over Canterbury.

Hughes was playing his first match since missing last week's win over the Wests Tigers after being badly concussed in a Magic Round late shot that earned Parramatta winger Maika Sivo a sin-binning and one-game suspension.

But despite laying prone for several minutes while being treated for a nasty head gash after clashing heavily with Storm teammate Dale Finucane in the opening minutes on Sunday at Belmore Sports Ground, Hughes wasn't required to undergo a head injury assessment.

Social media lit up in condemnation after only Finucane was forced off.

In a cruel blow for Finucane, the under-rated back-rower failed his HIA and was denied one last chance to press his claims for a NSW State of Origin call-up.
 

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Meh....It wouldn’t have effected the result anyway the Storm were in cruise control from the kick off.
 
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Meh....I wouldn’t have effected the result anyway the Storm were in cruise control from the kick off.
No there would have been no difference in result. they were toying with us in the end..!! They won it comfortably.
 

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I raised this very point but Dr.Kaz had a different opinion.
 

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Storm without a fullback and lock, forcing them down to 2 on the bench for entire game, would have made a significant difference.

Brandon Smith and Papenhuyzen would have to play 75 minutes odd.

They'd be left with Stimson and Kamikamica on the bench (one prop and one second rower), forcing longer minutes from their big men.
 

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They still would have won easily. I think they would have won by more with Papenhuyzen at fullback.

They couldn't have played worse and still won by 22.
 

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They should definitely attract a fine and a please explain for their actions today on this issue. Everyone knew it was a straight up HIA for both players, it had to be based on the manner of the incident. They even warmed up 2 players on the sideline at the time. Then to hear the fella was concussed last week aswell makes it so much worse. You can't claim player welfare and do what they did. Very poor form Melbourne! Had no bearing on the game but was blatant shit. Whatever happened to the independent Doctor on the sideline anyways?
 

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They should definitely attract a fine and a please explain for their actions today on this issue. Everyone knew it was a straight up HIA for both players, it had to be based on the manner of the incident. They even warmed up 2 players on the sideline at the time. Then to hear the fella was concussed last week aswell makes it so much worse. You can't claim player welfare and do what they did. Very poor form Melbourne! Had no bearing on the game but was blatant shit. Whatever happened to the independent Doctor on the sideline anyways?
Well that's who's fault it is, the independent doctor, not so much the Storm. The doctor ruled out Finucane when he looked fine but Hughes looked worse had a concussion two weeks ago and somehow didn't even come off to get assessed?

Yet again it seems like an NRL fuck up, but I agree that considering the above, Melbourne should have taken Hughes off as a precaution in his best interests.
 

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Well that's who's fault it is, the independent doctor, not so much the Storm. The doctor ruled out Finucane when he looked fine but Hughes looked worse had a concussion two weeks ago and somehow didn't even come off to get assessed?

Yet again it seems like an NRL fuck up, but I agree that considering the above, Melbourne should have taken Hughes off as a precaution in his best interests.
Apparently Finucane was blowing up on the sideline and didn't even know why he was taken off, not a good sign?

Yep definitely the Doctor but as you said, duty of care should dictate under those circumstances that old mate get's checked. Especially with the claret coming out of the head which clearly showed impact site for anyone slow enough not to know.
 

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Anyone notice how many times we use the HIA to give players a rest rather then use a sub ? I.e Aiden Toleman in the first half pretending to shake his head like he had a bump
 

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Anyone notice how many times we use the HIA to give players a rest rather then use a sub ? I.e Aiden Toleman in the first half pretending to shake his head like he had a bump
Yeah it’s a joke system
 

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Anyone notice how many times we use the HIA to give players a rest rather then use a sub ? I.e Aiden Toleman in the first half pretending to shake his head like he had a bump
Yeah I think he was concussed though, he had flashbacks of the Des days when he took it up on the 4th and played as a pivot! Lasted the whole fuking arvo lol
 

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Yep. However the NRL won't sanction one of their favoured teams. Watch them talk their way out of it by saying that they took ALL due care with the player.....the observer on the soideline should have insisted Hughes leave the field.

I made the comment after the incident happened today and when it was replayed several times on the big screen for everyone to see that BOTH: I REPEAT BOTH players needed to immediately leave the field to have HIA protocol undertaken. That in my opinion should always be the case. It is much like seeing a collision between two cars, in which one is less crumpled but nonetheless still damaged. Both need a bit ,or a lot of panel beating, to make them roadworthy again.

As usual, wasting time, giving Melbourne a rest to regroup, the Storm trainer stuffed around and BOTH players were still on the field after the game recommenced with the ball still in our possession. . Finucane eventually reluctantly left the field a minute or so later via the dead ball line probably only under the direction of the medical official on the sideline .Saw the so called medical expert on the sideline looking at the TV screen in front of him where the incident would have been assessed by him. Finucane was obviously very dusty and did not seem too aware of what was going on. Hughes had been left lying prone on the ground with quite a bit of claret coming out of the head cut which was further delaying the game whilst the trainer wrapped metres of tape around the head of Hughes. Not more than a few minutes after that and with the game stopped again for the same player, the trainer had to take him over the sideline to apply even more dressing to the cut. Finucane did not return to the game but sat on the bench for the remainder.

The head clash was extremely brutal and with the fact that Hughes was left on the ground for quite some time and required several attempts to stop the flow of blood WHY WAS HE NOT TAKEN FROM THE FIELD FOR AN HIA.?

Makes an absolute joke of the whole system and if Finucane was concussed surely you would imagine that unless Hughes had a head made of granite and no brain in his skull he too would have been concussed.What should have set the alarm bells ringing even more was the fact Hughes had been concussed two weeks previously and missed last weeks game due to that concussion.

The trainer would have known the particulars of the previous concussion and should have insisted he leave the field but if he failed the protocol that would have been TWO free interchanges lost for not returning to the field at the fifteen minute mark after going.

Interesting reading in relation to concussion and the protocol to follow...looking at today, Hughes demonstrated several of the observable signs
https://www.nrl.com/operations/the-players/management-of-concussion/
Game Day Management

The most important steps in the early management of concussion include:

1. Recognising the injury;

2. Removing the player from the game; and

3. Referring the player to a medical practitioner (doctor) for assessment.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2017/04/26/bjsports-2017-097508CRT5.full.pdf

STEP 2: OBSERVABLE SIGNS Visual clues that suggest possible concussion include: • Lying motionless on the playing surface • Slow to get up after a direct or indirect hit to the head • Disorientation or confusion, or an inability to respond appropriately to questions • Blank or vacant look • Balance, gait difficulties, motor incoordination, stumbling, slow laboured movements • Facial injury after head trauma
Anyone notice how many times we use the HIA to give players a rest rather then use a sub ? I.e Aiden Toleman in the first half pretending to shake his head like he had a bump
No, he did cop a shot to the head and unlike the Storm players he left the field IMMEDIATELY.The referee actually stopped the play pretty much after it happened. That was at the 28.47 minute mark of the first half. Tolman returned for the second half after he had served the maximum 15 minutes allowed. Tolman more often than not plays a great number of minutes in a game.
 

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Imagine storm losing 2 key players 5 minutes into the game , their error rate and work load would’ve doubled.
Who knows those shitty kicks from cogger would ve paid dividends and we would have come close to winning the game.
The fact is storm breached the rules now let’s see if NRL takes 2 point off them or not. If it was dogs it would ve been guaranteed 2 points off and couple of hundred thousand dollar fine.
 

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Anyone notice how many times we use the HIA to give players a rest rather then use a sub ? I.e Aiden Toleman in the first half pretending to shake his head like he had a bump
It's been a plague on the game for years and will only be exploited more when the interchanges are reduced further.
 

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Apparently Finucane was blowing up on the sideline and didn't even know why he was taken off, not a good sign?

Yep definitely the Doctor but as you said, duty of care should dictate under those circumstances that old mate get's checked. Especially with the claret coming out of the head which clearly showed impact site for anyone slow enough not to know.
And he got cut a second time which made it even worse and still didn't have to come off. His head was split open as if someone chopped it with an axe.
 

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Meh....It wouldn’t have effected the result anyway the Storm were in cruise control from the kick off.
Maybe not but he jinked and threw a great ball to JAC soon after for a try so it did have an affect.
 

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Thats great So we were beaten easily by a concussed fullback..
 
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