EXCUSES

[dogluva]

We are under the cap this year.. the only player we are paying this year that is not with us is Mbye.. under 200K

We have no salary cap problem..

Their was a big fuss made about us having 5 spots to fill for 500K, as was said by player manager last year thats normal for most clubs, most clubs fill their last 8 spots with minimum wage players..

Woods and Mbye were let go not because we were over salary cap.. it was to give Pay a just to build his own squad and spend the cash where he wanted..

Salary cap wise, Pay has got a clean slate..

the issue remains the unused salary cap, older heads that have been with our club since Bullfrog days have said we never have such a high % of cap unused, its not the type of club weve ever been ..

Any salary cap money not used by the club remains with the football club to do with as they wish..

The club recently sacked 4 footy club employees - yet to be replaced, further reducing operating costs..and at the moment CAs role is very broad..

The club has already publicly declared it wont hit the market for big names until 2020 so for the 2021 season..

So unless we go on a signing spree this year or make some mid season moves next year we will again have a considerable unused cap next year..

Under the rules governing the cap, clubs are not allowed to have unspent 5% of their cap..i.e. they must utilise 95% of the 9.4 million this year...470k is all they can hold over as unspent...basically around enough to but one good player or a couple of reasonable players.

 

[B-Train]

Exactly! You must spend 95% of the salary under NRL rules so we are definitely up to that considering we have the top 30 filled. If we did have spare cap space I assume they would front load players but there’s been no talk of that.

Or in the Roosters case, spend 560% of the salary cap..

 

[JUNKYARD DOGS]

Or in the Roosters case, spend 560% of the salary cap..

But what is 560% of ∞ ?

 

[B-Train]

But what is 560% of ∞ ?

In the words of Rosie Perez in White Men Can't Jump, the Roosters go over the cap "infinity plus infinity "

 

[JUNKYARD DOGS]

In the words of Rosie Perez in White Men Can't Jump, the Roosters go over the cap "infinity plus infinity "

Is it wrong that I said that in a sexy voice bahahaha.

 

[Mr. Ditkovich]

But what is 560% of ∞ ?

The Roosters’ salary cap

 

[JUNKYARD DOGS]

The Roosters’ salary cap

Aahh yes, makes sense now.

 

[Powerslide]

Backended contracts are done due to not having enough in the cap during a particular year.
Basically you have a player that is worth $600000 but for his first year the club only has $350000 left in the cap. If the player had agreed to sign a contract for $1.8 over 3 years he would get $350000 in year 1 then the balance would be paid in the next 2 years to average $725000.
So the board and the club knew what the cap situation was and how much they could spend for the next few years. When they signed players they worked on the assumption that the cap was going to be $10m or so in the following years but it was announced after they signed players to be about $900000 less than expected.

So the problem would have been no more than that difference, Backending is not paying overs it’s spreading the deal over the term of the agreed contract but with less at the start and more towards the end with the cap increasing helping the cause. Since the NRL didn’t announce a cap limit that was anticipated it caused a hiccup.

Hopefully I was able to articulate the concept effectively as I do struggle with putting my thoughts in writing

not a simple as that. but to just concentrate on one thing if you think a player will sign a back ended contract without a premium your kidding... ever heard the saying 'a bird in the hand.'

from just a simple perspective a player can't pay as much off his mortgage in the first years this costs him extra money in interest.

 

[Trafford10]

Yes des is really killing the culture over at manly. There winning with a worse side than hours. I had them penciled in for our spoon. They will play finals.
This pay bringing in dogs culture is an absolute waste of time. Tell me when in dogs culture has our defence been so poor ? Look at manly under des and now look at us again. We need a better coach like yesterday.

Well correct, Des is not a bad coach.

 

[Trafford10]

Under the rules governing the cap, clubs are not allowed to have unspent 5% of their cap..i.e. they must utilise 95% of the 9.4 million this year...470k is all they can hold over as unspent...basically around enough to but one good player or a couple of reasonable players.

The club is not spending 95% of the cap on our current squad in real terms. As soon as 30 June comes around the club will "front load" some players contracts. They have already one it once on Jackson and likely on other players as well.

 

[TwinTurbo]

not a simple as that. but to just concentrate on one thing if you think a player will sign a back ended contract without a premium your kidding... ever heard the saying 'a bird in the hand.'
from just a simple perspective a player can't pay as much off his mortgage in the first years this costs him extra money in interest.

The contract value doesn't have to be what the player actually gets paid in cash (or into his bank account). For example, there is nothing stopping the club from "loaning" him the difference between his early years (lower) contract rate and the average contract rate. Which he then pays back in the later years when his contract rate is higher. Just as long as it is declared as a loan that has to be repaid. In fact the club, or a sponsor, or a third party could loan him the entire amount for his mortgage and charge him the lowest wholesale interest rate. For example Mortgage House have in the past sponsored Melbourne, Chooks and Broncos and Penrith with Yellow Brick Road.

Go Dogs

 

[TwinTurbo]

The club is not spending 95% of the cap on our current squad in real terms. As soon as 30 June comes around the club will "front load" some players contracts. They have already one it once on Jackson and likely on other players as well.

Rough calc around 90%, front loading is logical to get to 95%, but if a decent player becomes available then they can spend the lot.

Go Dogs

 

[Spoonman84]

The contract value doesn't have to be what the player actually gets paid in cash (or into his bank account). For example, there is nothing stopping the club from "loaning" him the difference between his early years (lower) contract rate and the average contract rate. Which he then pays back in the later years when his contract rate is higher. Just as long as it is declared as a loan that has to be repaid. In fact the club, or a sponsor, or a third party could loan him the entire amount for his mortgage and charge him the lowest wholesale interest rate. For example Mortgage House have in the past sponsored Melbourne, Chooks and Broncos and Penrith with Yellow Brick Road.

Go Dogs

There is something stopping clubs form "loaning" the fact that the NRL doesn't allow it........

 

[MitchNewton]

Watching the Maty johns podcast, and they where talking about rebuilding is nothing more than an excuse for the administration to buy itself time. And couldn't agree more.

Look at us in 2008 then 2009. Is possible.

 

[Minix]

There will always be excuses and there will always be "blame this n that party" excuse.

What i would like to know what are the excuses for losing;

Ben Barba
Brett Morris
Josh Morris
Tim Lafai
Curtis Rona
Josh Reynolds
Moses Mbye
James Graham
Damien Cook
David Klemmer
Sam Kasiano
Martin Tapau
Dale Finucane
Aaron Woods

Anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that you "cant keep em all", though more often than not, we let go of good players, and recruited rubbish or players not better to the ones we lost

So what's da excuse?

 

[Spoonman84]

There will always be excuses and there will always be "blame this n that party" excuse.

What i would like to know what are the excuses for losing;

Ben Barba
Brett Morris
Josh Morris
Tim Lafai
Curtis Rona
Josh Reynolds
Moses Mbye
James Graham
Damien Cook
David Klemmer
Sam Kasiano
Martin Tapau
Dale Finucane
Aaron Woods

Anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that you "cant keep em all", though more often than not, we let go of good players, and recruited rubbish or players not better to the ones we lost

So what's da excuse?

Let’s be honest there’s only 4 players there that you’d still want in the team these days.

 

[coach]

There will always be excuses and there will always be "blame this n that party" excuse.

What i would like to know what are the excuses for losing;

Ben Barba
Brett Morris
Josh Morris
Tim Lafai
Curtis Rona
Josh Reynolds
Moses Mbye
James Graham
Damien Cook
David Klemmer
Sam Kasiano
Martin Tapau
Dale Finucane
Aaron Woods

Anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that you "cant keep em all", though more often than not, we let go of good players, and recruited rubbish or players not better to the ones we lost

So what's da excuse?

Barba was a fucking wit.... was always guna leave
Brett n josh wanted longer deals plus premiership chance in final years
Curtis Rona left for good money and ARU contract
Reynolds body was cooked
Moses mbye ooooooverated and was on big money...
Chloe Klemmer was why he left
Kasiano was told to leave by the cook coz he “allegedly” was a naughty boy
Never should of bought woods

So lafai
Taupau
Cook
Finucane fair enough, bad decisions... all des

Graham was meh decision, his body is cooked and age has caught up with him, has t played good at dragons

 

[Minix]

Let’s be honest there’s only 4 players there that you’d still want in the team these days.

Let's be fair dinkum here, there is definitely more than 4, but that is not the point.

There were players who left while they were in their prime or about to hit their prime.

Regardless of which persons or parties were on our football board, overall, the retention and recruitement has been absolutely diabolical

 

[Spoonman84]

Let's be fair dinkum here, there is definitely more than 4, but that is not the point.

There were players who left while they were in their prime or about to hit their prime.

Regardless of which persons or parties were on our football board, overall, the retention and recruitement has been absolutely diabolical

Yeah it hasn’t been great but having someone like Barba there is irrelevant it happened over 5 years ago now. The back ending of contracts played a major part in most of the recent departures.

 

[Downtowndog]

There will always be excuses and there will always be "blame this n that party" excuse.

What i would like to know what are the excuses for losing;

Ben Barba
Brett Morris
Josh Morris
Tim Lafai
Curtis Rona
Josh Reynolds
Moses Mbye
James Graham
Damien Cook
David Klemmer
Sam Kasiano
Martin Tapau
Dale Finucane
Aaron Woods

Anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that you "cant keep em all", though more often than not, we let go of good players, and recruited rubbish or players not better to the ones we lost

So what's da excuse?

Let's be fair dinkum here, there is definitely more than 4, but that is not the point.

There were players who left while they were in their prime or about to hit their prime.

Regardless of which persons or parties were on our football board, overall, the retention and recruitement has been absolutely diabolical

The most logical explanation, as well as that word "excuse" is, that for the last 10 or so years, our club has been run by incompetent dickheads