2019 Federal Election

[Kaz]

Wonder if Shorten has cancelled the removalists.

 

[Indiandog]

Peoples fears of hydrogen are as unfounded as their fears of nuclear.
Both can be engineered to be exploited safely.

Hydrogen is the same LNG.

storage is the main concern, highly explosive and safety wise it is a risk for a normal transport.

LNG powered trucks are already operating in australia for last 10 year and have LNG stations across the country, yet it never made to passenger vehicles.

Same story with hydrogen.

Lithium battery is a totally different story.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

not sure if you have been to europe or japan or China recently.

All the cabs in Korea are Electric.

volkswagons new electric hatch back recieved 10,000 orders in the first 24 hours of the release.

The cost of owning electric car is reducing dramatically. Forget the environment factor the cost saving on the fuel and maintenance of the vehicle is huge in comparison to ICE vehicles.

Even the Tesla base model at the current price of $100,000 is cheaper to run and maintain than a KIA Rio over the life of the vehicle.

The owning cost is definitely lower. I'm merely talking about the CO2 cost.

For example, production of an electric vehicle is around 5-10 times the CO2 during the production of an electric vehicle. But an electric vehicle usually only costs about 10-20% more and often there are rebates for that.

In regard to CO2 production, research is leaning toward a greater CO2 cost during production not being entirely mitigated during the lifecycle due to the lack of a highly renewable grid.

Of course on electric vehicles the research can go both ways. One major study carried out in Germany found that EVs use more CO2 even in a country like German where much of the energy production is now renewable

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/...iv/2019/Q2/pm_20190417_sd08-Elektroautos.html

Another German study found that the EVs have a much lower emission rate over the lifetime than Diesels (Keeping in mind that Diesel vehicles are worse for the environment than standard petrol)

https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/conte...reibhausgasemissionsbilanz_von_Fahrzeugen.pdf

Fact is that electric vehicles will at least in the long run be better. But only if you buy one when you actually need one rather than scrapping your current vehicle for an EV

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Hydrogen is the same LNG.

storage is the main concern, highly explosive and safety wise it is a risk for a normal transport.

LNG powered trucks are already operating in australia for last 10 year and have LNG stations across the country, yet it never made to passenger vehicles.

Same story with hydrogen.

Lithium battery is a totally different story.

Lithium brings in the puncture problems but they have developed modern cars to protect from that. I remember reading one safety study where they pointed out that if a Li battery was punctured then the driver would already be dead by then.

 

[The DoggFather]

The crowds are either pissed hard or paid shills.

Like trained seals, they clap their fins together Every time he mentions "Australia".

 

[Indiandog]

The owning cost is definitely lower. I'm merely talking about the CO2 cost.

For example, production of an electric vehicle is around 5-10 times the CO2 during the production of an electric vehicle. But an electric vehicle usually only costs about 10-20% more and often there are rebates for that.

In regard to CO2 production, research is leaning toward a greater CO2 cost during production not being entirely mitigated during the lifecycle due to the lack of a highly renewable grid.

Of course on electric vehicles the research can go both ways. One major study carried out in Germany found that EVs use more CO2 even in a country like German where much of the energy production is now renewable

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/...iv/2019/Q2/pm_20190417_sd08-Elektroautos.html

Another German study found that the EVs have a much lower emission rate over the lifetime than Diesels (Keeping in mind that Diesel vehicles are worse for the environment than standard petrol)

https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/conte...reibhausgasemissionsbilanz_von_Fahrzeugen.pdf

Fact is that electric vehicles will at least in the long run be better. But only if you buy one when you actually need one rather than scrapping your current vehicle for an EV

we can debate about the CO2 emissions , but the fact of the matter is the future is already here.

EVs are replacing IECs at an alarming rate, even in the remote place like australia it is happening.

 

[Indiandog]

The crowds are either pissed hard or paid shills.

Like trained seals, they clap their fins together Every time he mentions "Australia".

did you hear Johny Howard?

He sounded absolutely smashed!

 

[Freakzilla]

Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election because he got carried away and wanted to tax everyone and everything.

QLD is more racist than I even thought.

 

[The DoggFather]

Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election because he got carried away and wanted to tax everyone and everything.

QLD is more racist than I even thought.

Where is the racism? They are both white boys.

 

[Bad Billy]

Hydrogen is the same LNG.

storage is the main concern, highly explosive and safety wise it is a risk for a normal transport.

LNG powered trucks are already operating in australia for last 10 year and have LNG stations across the country, yet it never made to passenger vehicles.

Same story with hydrogen.

Lithium battery is a totally different story.

Hydrogen can be store as ammonia which is significantly less volatile or can be stored in double walled containers with leak detection like we do at work.

 

[Bad Billy]

Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election because he got carried away and wanted to tax everyone and everything.

QLD is more racist than I even thought.

If they were racist they’d have voted for one nation.
QLD sent a message over adani.

 

[Indiandog]

Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election because he got carried away and wanted to tax everyone and everything.

QLD is more racist than I even thought.

how is Qld more racist?

 

[Indiandog]

Hydrogen can be store as ammonia which is significantly less volatile or can be stored in double walled containers with leak detection like we do at work.

Same as LNG, that never got anywhere other than on some of the heavy on road vehicles.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

we can debate about the CO2 emissions , but the fact of the matter is the future is already here.

EVs are replacing IECs at an alarming rate, even in the remote place like australia it is happening.

Which brings in the other problem of the 300km limit with domestic vehicles but if you're trying to drive a domestic car across the Simpson desert then you're already crazy.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Hydrogen can be store as ammonia which is significantly less volatile or can be stored in double walled containers with leak detection like we do at work.

How would that go in a crash situation with a hydrogen drive through the motor of the vehicle?

 

[Kaz]

how is Qld more racist?

Because Pauline Hanson is from QLD.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election because he got carried away and wanted to tax everyone and everything.

QLD is more racist than I even thought.

Personally I think it was almost the opposite. A large number of voters in QLD are aboriginal. The Adani mine is providing jobs to many local Aboriginals.

Many votes thinking they would lose their job if they voted Labor.

 

[Memberberries]

The crowds are either pissed hard or paid shills.

Like trained seals, they clap their fins together Every time he mentions "Australia".

Ah the mind control techniques of TPB and MSM

 

[Freakzilla]

Where is the racism? They are both white boys.

Nothing to do with the 2 leaders. More to do with One Nation gaining 12% more votes.

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Queenslander! Queenslander! haha