Official Round 4 - Dogs vs Storm - Consolidated Match Thread

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Howard Moon

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One thing we have going for us is discipline, and we all know you can't give Melbourne cheap ball or the scoreline will tick over very quickly. If we win the forward battle I like our chances
 

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Another backrower not fussed but RFM seems reasonable.
This is where we stand...

Having 4 forwards on the bench is pointless if u cant give them all game time.

Just look at last week... Napa and Tolman played big minutes with no problem. Jacko played 40 min. Elliot 40 min. Ogden and Smith played between 10 - 20 min.

Where is RFM gonna play? U have to drop Smith

Only suggestion is shifting Martin to hooker and RFM to the edge but why would you bother putting someone who just played 60min into the middle and play an impact forward on an edge??

Considering we also have a young half coming in I wouldn't bank on a forward to play big mins in hooker if we lose a half because JMK would be the one to shift into a playmaking role.

The best option is Lichaa atm whether we like it or not until Brown is good to go for a top grade spot.

Anyone whinging or disagreeing with that just ain't thinking straight.
 

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Guess what, Lichaa's on the bench... Again!
I am only hard on Lichaa because after umpteen years in the top grade he's shown little improvement in the bread and butter skills of a hooker. By now he should be able to get quick passes away to forwards with momentum and get the ball to the halves directly when they need it. He still has to stand up identify who to pass to. Means the defence can rush our forwards and the halves have less time to make decisions.

If he fixed the big glaring problem and learnt to pass from the ground he might cop less crap here. The criticism about him isn't unwarranted Klil. I know he's a good defender and occasionally makes a good dummy half run. But the main attribute to be a good dummy half is the passing game. Each offseason with him in the side I hope to see him develop it. But as yet he hasn't. JMK isn't a specialist hooker and his passing game is far better. Holland is a utility back and has showed better ball distribution skills. Mbye showed better ball distribution skills when he played #9 for us.

If you had a surgeon who was great at sewing up open wounds but who couldn't make an incision they wouldn't get to operate. For an NRL team the hooker is the equivalent of the surgeon making the incision and unfortunately he doesn't cut it.
 

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We’ll get Lichaa to do it and hopefully he’ll get a life ban from the NRL
Two birds one stone lol
 

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I am only hard on Lichaa because after umpteen years in the top grade he's shown little improvement in the bread and butter skills of a hooker. By now he should be able to get quick passes away to forwards with momentum and get the ball to the halves directly when they need it. He still has to stand up identify who to pass to. Means the defence can rush our forwards and the halves have less time to make decisions.

If he fixed the big glaring problem and learnt to pass from the ground he might cop less crap here. The criticism about him isn't unwarranted Klil. I know he's a good defender and occasionally makes a good dummy half run. But the main attribute to be a good dummy half is the passing game. Each offseason with him in the side I hope to see him develop it. But as yet he hasn't. JMK isn't a specialist hooker and his passing game is far better. Holland is a utility back and has showed better ball distribution skills. Mbye showed better ball distribution skills when he played #9 for us.

If you had a surgeon who was great at sewing up open wounds but who couldn't make an incision they wouldn't get to operate. For an NRL team the hooker is the equivalent of the surgeon making the incision and unfortunately he doesn't cut it.
That's exactly why he wont get re-signed. In all the time his been here he hasn't grown. His an ok Footballer but lacks what it really takes to be a genuine hook these days. Its his downfall but his lucky because there is nobody to take his place atm otherwise he wouldn't be seeing game time.

Though in saying that his doing an ok job for 20min and if he gets a bit more direct with his footy he'll be alright but he'll be gone if Brown gets a chance and takes it with both hands.
 

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Storm strangely conceed about 7 penalties a game to our 4. I'm sure that will change on Sunday.

Dogs by 4.

Ogden to snap Smith in half like Robbie Kharra.

Cogger to fit right in FG.
That's the thing with the Storm... Smith is their organiser. If you take him out they are screwed.

Stats on their wins without Smith...
2010 he missed 4 games (2 losses against reasonable teams, 2 wins - us and Raiders).
2017 he missed some games and again a mixed bag (beat the easy teams, lost to harder
 

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That's exactly why he wont get re-signed. In all the time his been here he hasn't grown. His an ok Footballer but lacks what it really takes to be a genuine hook these days. Its his downfall but his lucky because there is nobody to take his place atm otherwise he wouldn't be seeing game time.

Though in saying that his doing an ok job for 20min and if he gets a bit more direct with his footy he'll be alright but he'll be gone if Brown gets a chance and takes it with both hands.
Yeah thats pretty much it. You can't keep investing in someone who isn't willing or able to put in the time/effort to justify the investment. As you said it's time for Lichaa to justify his position or lose it. Nu Brown is going to add pressure and hopefully if he cracks into the team he provides what we need. I honestly don't know how he's been able to get the chances he has.
 

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Yeah thats pretty much it. You can't keep investing in someone who isn't willing or able to put in the time/effort to justify the investment. As you said it's time for Lichaa to justify his position or lose it. Nu Brown is going to add pressure and hopefully if he cracks into the team he provides what we need. I honestly don't know how he's been able to get the chances he has.
Ofcourse Brown has had a chance but his been shithouse in first grade. Maybe worth throwing the guy a bone if a chance becomes available and his killing it in Ccup


Wonder how we would look With Robson and Seggy as our hooking rotation.
 

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The plays your talking about was dropping the ball to Okunbor who dropped it and Lewis catching it cleanly above his head and throwing it short to jacko who got tackled, didn't stifle anything.
You realise how much a half a second or more when they don't get a clean pass means to getting a clean kick away right? how much longer do you think Lewis has with defence rushing him to catch it above his head then bring it to waist height then line it up on the boot? If you're hooker isn't delivering a clean pass on the last with the defence rushing on angles you're deadset fucked. Do we remember Reynolds loosing his shit at him all those years ago.
 

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Ben Cummins is our ref so a win just got much harder. Can't stand the prick.
 

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As fcked as it is I still want to see Montoya in left wing so im not fussed if for some reason Okunbor doesn't play.. I'm sure u know it's the position he played through the ranks and im pretty sure he has never played their in FG, if he has its been once maybe twice.

Okunbor had some good touches but Okunbor up against Vuni is going to be a different story.. Unless the kid has learnt how to hit over the last wk.
Man you must be smoking some heavy shit!
 
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Blink and you'll miss it.

Firstly a dummy half is still a half.

Secondly he ducked into first receiver a few times when Mbye was around and switching between hooker. He could set up an attack line, receive and pass. Nobody said anything about kicking and not all halves kick that often. I'm not saying his your optimum choice in the halves but merely severe trauma to the spine during the game, he can cover.

He put Lewis away with a scoot and offload... Blink and you'll miss it.

He is a specialists hooker but like you said he can play lock comfortably.

As for passing, how many balls have you seen dropped from the other end of his pass besides the infamous Reynolds throw back? Yeah that means he can pass.

Either you people don't know what u watching or watch the game once and are experts.
Yes he can pass hos problem is that he takes so long to pass that the defence os already 5meters up and know which way hes passing before it even leaves his hand.
 

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You have shit, than you have Lichaa

The most talentless player to ever put on the Dogs jersey.

Winitana and Nanai are immortals compared to Lichaa.

One thing i will give Lichaa, is that he is the greatest fraud to milk a club over 5 years
I thought maybee a close second to brad morrin. I think that was his name lol
 

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You realise how much a half a second or more when they don't get a clean pass means to getting a clean kick away right? how much longer do you think Lewis has with defence rushing him to catch it above his head then bring it to waist height then line it up on the boot? If you're hooker isn't delivering a clean pass on the last with the defence rushing on angles you're deadset fucked. Do we remember Reynolds loosing his shit at him all those years ago.
Bro I used to be a hooker / half and know exactly what it entails to receive and give a good pass. Do yourself a favour... if possible go watch Lichaa's last 20min last wk and tell me how much of a difference his half a second slower made. 99% of his passes either hit the bread basket or the chest and nobody struggled to catch any of his service. Does that require dropping the kid for absolutely nobody else who is putting their hand up for selection?? Really you think im calling for him to be re-signed when really or im saying is he is the best option at 14 at this stage......
 

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Yes he can pass hos problem is that he takes so long to pass that the defence os already 5meters up and know which way hes passing before it even leaves his hand.
My God and who do you suggest we replace him with??? And please go back and watch the last 20 min before making such judgement otherwise its just shit talking right now...
 

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Bro I used to be a hooker / half and know exactly what it entails to receive and give a good pass. Do yourself a favour... if possible go watch Lichaa's last 20min last wk and tell me how much of a difference his half a second slower made. 99% of his passes either hit the bread basket or the chest and nobody struggled to catch any of his service. Does that require dropping the kid for absolutely nobody else who is putting their hand up for selection?? Really you think im calling for him to be re-signed when really or im saying is he is the best option at 14 at this stage......
You play first grade or park footy?

Maybe Leech could cut in park footy alongside you in the halves, but the matter of the fact is that Leech is a dud
 
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