Official Dean Pay extends his contract with the Bulldogs by another 12 months.

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

Lol, but geez warriors were extremely poor, no effort at all
Jmoz with 2 lol

DCE and Tom Trbo are a class above and close to the best players in the game in their respective positions. They’ve also formed a deadly combination.

 

[Qld-Dog]

A contract or an extended contract for a coach at the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs means sweet fuck all.....just ask Dessie lol

 

[WolfmanAmadeus]

Sack Paul Green!
29-10 defeat
42-16 defeat
Sack Paul Green Now!

Paul Green should be sacked. Matt Scott is useless "needs to hand it in" and he always persists with that Hack O'Neil, although He did drop him this week but I guarantee you he'll be first picked next week after tonight's piss poor performance. Paul Green <3's O'Neil the same way Dean Pay <3's Montoya He also sent Lowe to the Bunnies because of origin supremo Hess who is so overrated. Hess Reminds me of Trex in the blue and white. Could be a superstar but prefers to be DOROTHY THE DINOSAUR RAWR!!! !!

 

[SPEARTAKVIDREFS]

Early days into a long and painful rebuild. Who'd want the job. If Pay learns from what appears to be mistakes (selections and bench rotations etc) I dont see his extension as the end of the world. What are contracts worth these days anyways. Where up shit creek for a while. Those running the show at the club know better than me. I just want to see improvements where improvements can be made game day such as fitness, defense, no Montoya etc. Managing the dumb shit on the fly game day like Lockie kicking down Fergos throat all day, that sorta stuff. May seem minor but that stuff speaks volumes for my mind, bigger picture. Anywhos, hoping for a better result tomorrow.

 

[dogwhisperer]

I'm not just looking at Brown's Newcastle era but his total coaching career.

In 2005 Brown transformed an aging mediocre St George team, who lost 5 of their first 6 games to second on the ladder on points difference. It must be said that post 2006, after Brown put together and developed a strong side, he showed the inexperience of a young rookie coach and Saints high expectations ultimately ended up with no premierships.

From 2009 to 2014 he coached in the Super League and continued to learn his craft by promoting and developing some good young players. In 2009 he took Huddersfield to the Challenge Cup final and in 2013 and 2014 he guided St Helens to Super League Grand Final victories.

In 2015, the Melbourne Storm appointed Brown as a "coaching consultant". Brown who is regarded as having a good eye for young players worked on scouting assignments and provided specialist coaching.

There is no comparison between Brown and Pay. Brown has 16 years coaching experience, taking an NRL team to the grand final and whilst in England he coached teams to win the highest honors in the ESL. Browns experience was enriched when he had to commence team rebuilding with financial constraints. First at Saints, who in 2006 were over $6.5 million in debt and then at Newcastle who in 2016 were in debt to the NRL and ATO.

Pay on the other hand is a rookie coach who has only coached for one full NRL season.

Brown is shit, success in England doesn’t mean shit either. He had a star studded dragons team and they kept choking every year under him until Bennett arrived!

On the other hand people want to get rid of Pay two games into his second season.

People need to suck it up. And shut up! And if they can’t handle it go watch another sport, there’s plenty of other sports out there!

 

[CaptainJackson]

That’s because he couldn’t choose Lewis (even if he wanted to) because he wasn’t registered with the NRL.

Go Dogs

That is the point!

Pay chose jmk and frawley in the top 30 over lewis

Pay has a shit eye for talent thus far

 

[dogwhisperer]

I’m saying it now, hope I’m wrong but we’re going to be 0-5. Everyone needs to suck it up and go through the rebuild

 

[Indiandog]

I’m saying it now, hope I’m wrong but we’re going to be 0-5. Everyone needs to suck it up and go through the rebuild

sorry but rebuild started last year.

we are a much better and settled roster this year than previous year with no disruptions or unhappy players in the sqaud.

Any result lower than what we achieved last year is completely unacceptable.

We are not accepting nor rewarding mediocrity..... sorry we have already rewarded mediocrity.

 

[CroydonDog]

Club could be about to sack a 2nd coach before his new contract has even begun

 

[CBDoggies]

sorry but rebuild started last year.

we are a much better and settled roster this year than previous year with no disruptions or unhappy players in the sqaud.

Any result lower than what we achieved last year is completely unacceptable.

We are not accepting nor rewarding mediocrity..... sorry we have already rewarded mediocrity.

Totally agree, I get the people who wana give pay a chance but I’m sick to death hearing this rebuild word... yes we are rebuilding but it doesn’t Mean we look worse then we ever have been, doesn’t mean we can’t play past 20-30min and look gased and unfit, doesn’t mean player selection and rotation is totally fucked up...

I can keep gojng but you get my point. Pay needed to atleast prove himself in the next 3-4 months before any talk about extensions was on the table. This is entertainment... losing is not entertainment. Heck even having a bit of pride is something we lack these days

 

[Jean-Claude Juncker]

sorry but rebuild started last year.

we are a much better and settled roster this year than previous year with no disruptions or unhappy players in the sqaud.

Any result lower than what we achieved last year is completely unacceptable.

We are not accepting nor rewarding mediocrity..... sorry we have already rewarded mediocrity.

Sorry, but you’re just wrong.

 

[CroydonDog]

Who'd want the job. .

That alone is a very good point!

 

[Deathspell]

How do you know the contract isn't performance based? Have you seen the terms? This was in fact my (and a few others') suggestion in the pre-season; to extend, thereby silencing the subject publicly, but make it subject to confidential performance conditions that would give the club a right to terminate if it needed it. And I'd be surprised if this isn't what's happened, irrespective of the club's statement.



Yeah, good in theory. The reality of the last 30 years is altogether different.

A contract cannot hold contradictory terms of consideration. Performance contracts don't have a tenure in years specified ( ie for period of 3 years or term date specified ). They have performance conditions to be met, set against specific dates ( ie to make top 4 by a nominated date ).

Performance contracts for coaches which are extended for only one season ( or for 12 months) are useless, as there is never an intention by a club to terminate and replace a coach mid season. It is common to detail performance clauses that are based solely on timing and determination in activating a contract extension and/or new contract and bonuses. But these clauses present no representation in the current contract for different levels of commitment and time involved and are deemed termini ad specifica contractus ( terms specific to contract ) and not actus in contractu ( performance in a contract ). Normally clubs insist on contract extension in the form of substantive or infinitive clauses to safeguard first option for the coach's future services and to avoid litigation that could arise if third party suggests promises or inducements are made.

Our commercial law and litigation solicitors deal with sports and entertainment contracts on a regular basis. It is common practice to draft guidelines statements for the general terms that can be made public by either the client's manager or employer. If Pay's contract was performance based, the Dogs would have announced it, like they did when Hasler was offered the first contract extension in mid 2017.

In common law you can leave yourself open to litigation if public announcements contradict a registered legal binding contract. Bulldogs found that out the hard way when Dib publicly announced confirmation of a contract with Hasler's and then breeched it by claiming heads of agreement is not a commitment.

My statement "Greatness is our destiny, we accept nothing less" is a proposition, a statement or assertion that expresses a judgement or opinion, not a theory. A theory is a supposition based on ideas intended to explain something, a practice of an activity which is based on general principles. Whilst it's your prerogative to disagree with my statement it is a logical fallacy to presuppose conjecture when no explanation or details have been dictated, listed or forthcoming.

 

[jmaamary]

When we are in the opposition 20. This is what happens. 3 settles to a forward and on the 4th they spread it running that stupid same block play. Last week at almost one of the first instances Ferguson read it and creamed the centre. He later went on to intercept a pass and score as well. It was mentioned above how the bloke decides to take off 3 starting forwards at once. Pay has a footy IQ no larger than his shoe size. He is out of his depth and in my opinion the only reason they gave him an extension is nobody wants a bar of the coaching gig

 

[Indiandog]

Sorry, but you’re just wrong.

ok, i apologize i was wrong when i said we are rewarding mediocrity.

I can see now we are rewarding good performance like we have had only 76 points scored against us in the first two games not 100.

Great job Pay! we should have given him 3 years extension with pay rise instead of one year extension.

 

[Deathspell]

Brown is shit, success in England doesn’t mean shit either. He had a star studded dragons team and they kept choking every year under him until Bennett arrived!

On the other hand people want to get rid of Pay two games into his second season.

People need to suck it up. And shut up! And if they can’t handle it go watch another sport, there’s plenty of other sports out there!

Take a deep breath, crack open a tinnie and settle down champ, why so hostile ? Have you even read my post or is it in your nature to attack without cause ? Or maybe you are a troll and want to gee me up. The post was a reply to the question about team development not performance. Wasn't even directly about Pay, for fuck's sake lol.

If you care to read my post, I did mention that after assembling a good Saints team Brown failed to deliver a premiership. Didn't help when in 2007 he lost his star players Gasnier to injury and Bailey, Barrett and Timmins in the off-season. In 2008 he also lost Morris, Gasnier, Ryles, Chase, Setu, Woolford and Reynoldson. At least Brown has some historical experience. Did Brown learn anything from his tenure at Saints ? Time will tell.
Whilst the ESL might be inferior to the NRL, it still offers coaching experience. He achieved what was demanded of him winning 2 premierships.

You are very good at straw manning people bro.
" On the other hand people want to get rid of Pay two games into his second season ". Did I mention anything about getting rid of Pay ? My typical general comment on the subject is that our team rebuilding is probably better suited to an experienced coach who has the reputation and the ability to attract young players.
" People need to suck it up. And shut up! And if they can’t handle it go watch another sport, there’s plenty of other sports out there! " You keep stating " people this, people that" when addressing me. What makes you think I talk on behalf of a group of people ? If you want to address the people ( the whole kennel I suppose ) open a thread. Maybe you are using this term to generalize ?

Senior Bulldogs fans have lived with sucking it up after waiting for 38 years to win a premiership whilst constantly being laughed at and humiliated. Let me enlighten you with some history. Bullfrog used to meet the fans in the Leagues club foyer after every game. Did he tell the fans to shut up ? No, because he was interested in how the fans felt about the club's progress.

 

[Realist90]

Always one wanker questioning people's loyalty.

We are on a Bulldogs forum on the net, I doubt any regular members on here are just on the bandwagon. We have been rubbish for years and we are still here.

Drop your holier-than-thou bullshit champ.

Destroyed with facts and logic.

 

[Indiandog]

Destroyed with facts and logic.

did i see you mention "Des" in your comment?

Go wash your mouth, Its Harroum bro!

 

[Scoooby]

did i see you mention "Des" in your comment?

Go wash your mouth, Its Harroum bro!

lol Hey Indiandog .. how’s things mate?

 

[Indiandog]

lol Hey Indiandog .. how’s things mate?

hey scooby bro, all good in the hood.

what about you? excited for the game tomorrow..eerrm today?