Craig Mcclaughlin - havent we all be assaulted?

[Mr 95%]

It's very hard to speculate about things like this honestly. If no pictorial evidence had been provided for the NRL's two dog related incidents it would be very hard to believe either had happened.

If an alleged victim of these claims against some pretty powerful stars or directors etc had sought legal advice, one of the first things the lawyers would have asked is if they could hope to provide a reasonable amount of evidence. In many cases if these people feel like they've been isolated and victimized it would discourage them from taking further action. If a production company has paid big money to lure a popular star as a lead male role who is going to add to the box office appeal for a film, they're probably going to try very hard to avoid wrapping their movie up in a media scandal by drawing attention to what had gone on.

I've dealt with some shit that impacted on my mental state at work involving supervisors. HR did nothing besides telling me that the supervisor had been given a warning about shit that had gone on for a long period of time and they put a lot of pressure on me to not try taking things further. The result was that the same supervisor kept the bullshit up but in a way that was more isolated. The result was that i looked for witnesses when it just about snapped my ability to avoid resorting to violence and one of the people i spoke to ran and told HR that i was close to snapping and i just about lost my job for it.

Another thing to think about to put some perspective on this is the fact that the royal commission into pedophilia has encouraged people that were victims as powerless children to come forward decades later because it's still fucking with their heads in a big way. I know someone who's 56 year old brother recently gave evidence about things that happened to him before he was ten. Part of the struggle for people in these situations is that they're left with a feeling that they won't be believed if they try to fight for their rights and in the process of fighting for those rights they have to expose some pretty painful aspects of their life.

The point I'm getting at here is that from an outsiders perspective you have no idea what has actually gone on, whether the alleged victims tried dealing with it at the time, and if their mental health at the time severely impacted their decision to not come forward. I highly doubt that a lot of these victims wanted to expose themselves to heavy scrutiny when they have doubts that anything will be done. In some cases there may be false claims made by scummy people to potentially draw attention to themselves. That can't be avoided. But in other cases where repeat offenders have done things wrong, sometimes that first person needs to be the pebble that starts a landslide. To a large extent i think these types of people are good at picking their targets.

At the end of the day if it means scumbags that knew they could get away with doing the wrong thing on a regular basis as long as they could intimidate those they abused are found out and forced to at minimum stop doing it, it's a good thing to my way of thinking.

Outstanding post bro..outstanding..

 

[Alan79]

Outstanding post bro..outstanding..

Thank you.

 

[Dawgfather]

This whole thing is more a Hollywood issue than a male/female issue.

The irony is that it’s hollywood and media types who love to signal their virtue and tell us what to do and think on social/political issues.

But the reality is Hollywood and media in general are the most sleezy and disgusting and immoral industries around. I’ve done plenty of work consulting to media companies here (including the majors networks) and it’s fair enough to say their recruitment policies would have one objective which is to hire exclusively on looks.

Anyone taking advice from merryl Streep/ di caprio etc should think twice. Taking advice from rich fks who made their money lecturing ppl while doing the opposite is not a good idea.

Oprah is another prime example. If this male oppression had been so bad - then why hasn’t she said anything for two decades until now? She is and was the most powerful personality in U.S. media. She could have used her power for good.

Instead she waits until it’s trendy and jumps on the bandwagon.

But even now she hasn’t named anyone. She’s simply made a ‘feel good’ speech at an awards night where she knows every single person will agree with her.

Hollywood and the media (in general) are fkd up.

 

[Mr Invisible]

I wonder ... could this whole sort of thing be a worldwide push for equal pay in Hollywood from feminists?

Have you seen the size of bananas these days?

But seriously have you read what McLachlan has also has alleged to have done? It’s a lot more than alledgedly using a banana as a dick to poke..and it wasn’t just in the air..into the faces of a director and an actress..

Allegedly!!

Look at the great English comedians of the past... Blokes like Spike Milligan and Benny Hill and Graham Kennedy would be in prison and copping the same sort of thing if they were still alive today.

Situational context is required in these cases. What was hilarious and considered acceptable 10-20 years ago is suddenly "not OK", and therefore sexual harassment 10-20 years on?

Life doesn't work like that, and that's why no charges have been brought against any of these people.

If the accusers felt they were 100% right they'd be pressing charges.... but they aren't, so there are alterior motives at play in all this.

 

[Mr 95%]

I wonder ... could this whole sort of thing be a worldwide push for equal pay in Hollywood from feminists?


Allegedly!!

Look at the great English comedians of the past... Blokes like Spike Milligan and Benny Hill and Graham Kennedy would be in prison and copping the same sort of thing if they were still alive today.

Situational context is required in these cases. What was hilarious and considered acceptable 10-20 years ago is suddenly "not OK", and therefore sexual harassment 10-20 years on?

Life doesn't work like that, and that's why no charges have been brought against any of these people.

If the accusers felt they were 100% right they'd be pressing charges.... but they aren't, so there are alterior motives at play in all this.

A grand conspiracy? Mr I..you of all people should know..conspiracy theories are not meant for threads other than the conspiracy thread..

Yes Allegedly..exactly as I posted.. And no charges YET..and it’s exactly this reasoning that victims don’t come forward.. Oh it’s ok..it’s funny..it wasn’t meant to be offensive.. That doesn’t hold weight..because in the end unless someone draws a line in the sand it will continue..

And again honestly..you speculate that they have alterior motives based on no charges ..yet it’s wrong to speculate that they DID do something.. That’s double standards..and this attitude is why many victims remain in silence.. see @Alan79 post above..

As for Benny Hill, Spike Milligan, Graham Kennedy..these are comedians..they were acting or performing publicly..with actors who AGREED with the material.. They weren’t trying to intimidate or press people into situations to gain their favour..

Ps..just a point about time .. Maclachan is pretty recent.. And as far as I remember waving around a banana pretending it was your dick and shoving it a person’s face has never been acceptable.. Nor has asking a person for sexual favours to get a job been acceptable either..

 

[Dawgfather]

A grand conspiracy? Mr I..you of all people should know..conspiracy theories are not meant for threads other than the conspiracy thread..

Yes Allegedly..exactly as I posted.. And no charges YET..and it’s exactly this reasoning that victims don’t come forward.. Oh it’s ok..it’s funny..it wasn’t meant to be offensive.. That doesn’t hold weight..because in the end unless someone draws a line in the sand it will continue..

And again honestly..you speculate that they have alterior motives based on no charges ..yet it’s wrong to speculate that they DID do something.. That’s double standards..and this attitude is why many victims remain in silence.. see @Alan79 post above..

As for Benny Hill, Spike Milligan, Graham Kennedy..these are comedians..they were acting or performing publicly..with actors who AGREED with the material.. They weren’t trying to intimidate or press people into situations to gain their favour..

Ps..just a point about time .. Maclachan is pretty recent.. And as far as I remember waving around a banana pretending it was your dick and shoving it a person’s face has never been acceptable.. Nor has asking a person for sexual favours to get a job been acceptable either..

How about actors (read actresses) offering up sexual favours, so they can get ahead of the game in terms of movie roles etc?

 

[DoggiesBoy]

Why do you religious conservatives always have the same denial attitudes towards these things? It's that exact denial culture that hid so many sick pedo fucks for all those years in the catholic church.

 

[Mr 95%]

How about actors (read actresses) offering up sexual favours, so they can get ahead of the game in terms of movie roles etc?

And your point is?

 

[Mr Invisible]

And your point is?

His point is that the casting couch is real.

There are statue of limitations im pretty sure on some offences (in Aus) and they definitely exist in the USA.

Let me throw some names at you:
Brett Stewart
Mitchell Pearce
Bulldogs Coffs Harbour

All accused of various sex based incidents against females and all proven false.

A person's recollection of events changes in time... and therein lies the issue.

I'm not saying they are innocent (all or none), but innocent till proven guilty.

Take into account the above and you can't really state that events unfolded 100% as claimed.

If someone was so psychologically damaged that years or decades pass and they still can't get over it, then the issue should have been addressed at the time.

Surely they sought help for said issues and others knew? Why wouldn't they encourage them to come forwards?

Re Mclachlan, the producer has already started no complaints were made to them, despite claims there were.

Look at all those complaining... all those whose careers are rubbish...

Ever thought its a timely money grab?

"Give us coin and it goes away".

 

[Mr Invisible]

Why do you religious conservatives always have the same denial attitudes towards these things? It's that exact denial culture that hid so many sick pedo fucks for all those years in the catholic church.

I'm far from a religious conservative... exact opposite. I don't believe it has a place in modern society.

 

[Mr 95%]

His point is that the casting couch is real.

There are statue of limitations im pretty sure on some offences (in Aus) and they definitely exist in the USA.

Let me throw some names at you:
Brett Stewart
Mitchell Pearce
Bulldogs Coffs Harbour

All accused of various sex based incidents against females and all proven false.

A person's recollection of events changes in time... and therein lies the issue.

I'm not saying they are innocent (all or none), but innocent till proven guilty.

Take into account the above and you can't really state that events unfolded 100% as claimed.

If someone was so psychologically damaged that years or decades pass and they still can't get over it, then the issue should have been addressed at the time.

Surely they sought help for said issues and others knew? Why wouldn't they encourage them to come forwards?

Re Mclachlan, the producer has already started no complaints were made to them, despite claims there were.

Look at all those complaining... all those whose careers are rubbish...

Ever thought its a timely money grab?

"Give us coin and it goes away".

I’m not naive enough to think the casting couch doesn’t exist..but I don’t see the relevance of it in this case..unless it’s meant to highlight that predatory action is accepted..i mean if one person..or a number of people..progress their career through sexual favours..does that imply all actors should be expected..or willing.. to do the same..does it make it somehow acceptable or right?

And Mr I victims ‘still can’t get over it’? If only it was something so easily dismissed.. again I point you to @Alan79 post.. And as for not coming forward..read my post and @Alan79 again..which goes a long way to explaining the response by Maclachan’ producers..

As for the footy players mentioned..just because they were proven innocent..doesn’t mean others are..which you point out..

However, as I have stated earlier in the thread,actor/actresses who experienced such behaviour, in particular actors/actresses like Jolie, who once they became powerful figures in Hollywood, should have said something to make sure that up and coming actors/actresses don’t have to face the sexual predatory behaviour..

 

[Dawgfather]

And your point is?

My point is a question.

Why have the media entirely failed to report the truth that it was common practice for women to use sex as an advantage.

Of course these allegations are shocking and I’m as much against them as anyone else. But the media haven’t provided all the facts.

The media would have you believe if you have a vagina in Hollywood then you are an angel and would never use sex as a tool in the work place.

If you are a male actor (especially a white one), then it’s an assumption that it’s you to blame.

I’m just asking for some balance.

 

[CaptainJackson]

My point is a question.

Why have the media entirely failed to report the truth that it was common practice for women to use sex as an advantage.

Of course these allegations are shocking and I’m as much against them as anyone else. But the media haven’t provided all the facts.

The media would have you believe if you have a vagina in Hollywood then you are an angel and would never use sex as a tool in the work place.

If you are a male actor (especially a white one), then it’s an assumption that it’s you to blame.

I’m just asking for some balance.

Because there's no proof and the media would be taken to court for defamation ?

 

[Mr 95%]

My point is a question.

Why have the media entirely failed to report the truth that it was common practice for women to use sex as an advantage.

Of course these allegations are shocking and I’m as much against them as anyone else. But the media haven’t provided all the facts.

The media would have you believe if you have a vagina and as an actress you are an angel and would never use sex as a tool in the work place.

If you are a male actor (especially a white one), then it’s an assumption that it’s you to blame.

I’m just asking for some balance.

Why would these need to be highlighted? Why would what some do..mean it’s acceptable? All it would do is tarnish the accusers..what others do shouldn’t affect them..nor should it be implied other producers do the same because thats what it would do too..as it’d be seen as the ‘norm’

I do agree that the media run wild..and in many cases it’s trial by media.. I think the question that needs to be asked is why powerful Hollywood figures like Jolie and co..once firmly established elites..remained silent all these years when they were in a position to do something about it..I’d love to hear their answer..

 

[south of heaven]

And Mr I victims ‘still can’t get over it’? If only it was something so easily dismissed.. ..

Some really should get over it because they are going to fucking hurt " the real victims" in the long run.
Like the craig one some clowns has chimed in and cried " Craig told me to get fucked on the phone and called me a ****" if you hang onto a heated phone argument years down the track your a little bit sensitive. That chic that sucked james Franco off. " i didn't really want to do it" fuck me dead get up and get out of the car. A lot of women have done shit on their own will to get ahead in this industry now they saying they felt like that had to .they are not victims they put themselves there and its pretty insulting to anywoman that has been held down and raped against their will.

 

[Mr 95%]

Some really should get over it because they are going to fucking hurt " the real victims" in the long run.
Like the craig one some clowns has chimed in and cried " Craig told me to get fucked on the phone and called me a ****" if you hang onto a heated phone argument years down the track your a little bit sensitive. That chic that sucked james Franco off. " i didn't really want to do it" fuck me dead get up and get out of the car. A lot of women have done shit on their own will to get ahead in this industry now they saying they felt like that had to .they are not victims they put themselves there and its pretty insulting to anywoman that has been held down and raped against their will.

Southy I understand what you mean..and unfortunately you get the attention seeker who nothing has happened too and real victims suffer..but sexual harassment or intimidation shouldn’t be taken lightly..nor accepted in a professional environment..actually any environment for that matter..Because it gains momentum..and sooner or later it either gets worse..or it is seen as the norm..

 

[Mr Invisible]

At the moment the accusations (just that) are almost akin to a porn star complaining about being sexually harassed by a fellow male sex actor.

Who are we to believe the every word of someone simply because the media state it as verbatim?

Don Burke's had his life completely fucked by "moneyhunters", none of who have been able to substantiate claims enough for either a criminal charge to be laid, OR enough evidence for the courts to hear it as a civil case.

and therein lies the issue. Once the accusation is made, and it hits the media, that persons reputation is shot.

Doesn't matter if it turns out to to be complete bullshit after the fact, the damage personally and to the career has already been done.


If these people honestly believed a word they said to the media, why not keep your mouth shut and instead talk to the police (who can do something). Running to the media to get paid for your story just shows you are only after money.

 

[Wahesh]

He's an ugly fuck.

And dressed as a transexual, looks fugly as batshit which got shat out by a horse.

 

[Mr 95%]

At the moment the accusations (just that) are almost akin to a porn star complaining about being sexually harassed by a fellow male sex actor.

Who are we to believe the every word of someone simply because the media state it as verbatim?

Don Burke's had his life completely fucked by "moneyhunters", none of who have been able to substantiate claims enough for either a criminal charge to be laid, OR enough evidence for the courts to hear it as a civil case.

and therein lies the issue. Once the accusation is made, and it hits the media, that persons reputation is shot.

Doesn't matter if it turns out to to be complete bullshit after the fact, the damage personally and to the career has already been done.


If these people honestly believed a word they said to the media, why not keep your mouth shut and instead talk to the police (who can do something). Running to the media to get paid for your story just shows you are only after money.

Did you see Burke’s interview? The bloke has always been a bully and prick..it’s well known..and well documented..(abusing people at restaurant) heck he’s admitted it himself..

I completely agree that people are not guilty until proven so..however to think all the acusers should be tarnished with the same brush..’money hunters’.. is akin to labeling the acusees as all guilty..that’s the double standard that comes across in your argument..

 

[CroydonDog]

Did you see Burke’s interview? The bloke has always been a bully and prick..it’s well known..and well documented..(abusing people at restaurant) heck he’s admitted it himself..

I completely agree that people are not guilty until proven so..however to think all the acusers should be tarnished with the same brush..’money hunters’.. is akin to labeling the acusees as all guilty..that’s the double standard that comes across in your argument..

Plus trying to brush being an arsehole off by claiming he is autistic. That was pretty low.

As for "moneyhunters", I haven't seen where any of the accusers have been paid, or have sought payment. Same with the Craig McLachlan accusers, who are continuing to line up in numbers, and from a number of different shows/productions.