Should the NRL have a Zero Tolerance drug policy?

[Nasheed]

I assume the poll is abour "recreational drugs"?

In that case I say they can do what they like.

Illegal drugs.

 

[Dogna88]

I don't know what type of clinics you have attended in the past but the idea is not to do more of what is harming you. You would go to reduce the behaviour for the good of you and the community. It starts everywhere that it can be helpful. It could actually be very practical. The idea is to divert money that is wasted in the legal system back to the health system. Your tax dollars are already being used, the only question is how significant a dent in the problem it is having. Demand only stops when you educate the younger generation to not take it up in the first place, and try to help those already addicted break free.

1. Addicts dony care about the good of the community. They care about feeding their habbit.

2. Im not saying our current system works BUT to leave the issue as soley a healthcare issue is just crazy. I have already given my opinions in what should occur in previous posts.

3. I am all for prevention and decriminilisation (to an extent) but not legalisation. So many things wrong with it its not funny. We have enough resources in place for rehabilitation at the moment, fact is addicts choose not to participate.

Methadone program = fail
Drug Merrit Program = fail
Punishment for possession = not practical
Punishment for supply/manufacture = too light. Reward outweighs the risk

 

[Nasheed]

Come on, seriously?? I cant believe people calling recreational drugs 'performance inhancing' drugs. What a laugh. Unless they have a big line of coke and then walk out onto the field, recreational drugs will only have a detrimental effect. There is no way proctor and bromwich will play better next week because of it!!!
If you want the NRL to have zero tolerence on drugs then lets not prejudice and pick and choose what drugs to show zero tolerence to. Lets not forget that alcohol is a drug. And surely we cant forget the damage it has done to the game, and to common people in society.
How many car accidents, domestic violence or common assault instances are directly attributed to alcohol??? Almost all of them. So dont be naive and stand there with your heads in the sand on this.
Im not saying that drugs have a place in the game, but if anyone is suggesting that if a player has a line of coke they should be banned for life then you have no clue whatsoever.
If the police let them off with a warning, then i think it would be a massive over reaction if the club stood them down for more then a week or two in my opinion.

Cocaine is performance enhancing. Think Deeply.

1. If taken on the day, players will be alert.

Since that rarely happens, let me focus on;

2. If a player goes out on the drink, they will be dehydrated the next day and will need to recover in some form, even if its jus a half day,they will need to replenish liquids and what not. On Coke, they can be right as rain 9am the next day whilst retaining playing weight. Even paul kent said theres an untold dirty secret that clubs would rather them coke up then booze up because the bodily ramifications to their actions are less severe from a playing perspective.

 

[Nasheed]

Wait what??

I don't think I've EVER heard or seen reported someone breaking and entering someones house, to buy booze.

Or holding up a shop, to buy booze.

Drugs however, happens all the time.

How many assaults/DV incidents/car accidents are attributed to meth?

Sorry but your statement is ridiculous.

As for alcohol being a drug... yes and no. How many beers do you need to have in order to get to the same level as someone doing joints or a line?

Drugs create crime... simple as that.

Just to further add to this;
If alcohol really is harmful, then that is no logic to open up the floodgates for other harmful substances be legal.

The "all drugs should be legal because Alcohol is a legal drug and does alot of harm therefore other drugs deserve to be legal' just doesnt fly in my book of logic.

 

[Nasheed]

. Good luck finding someone killing over a joint lol.

Doyou want me to dig up stats of mass murderes involving a schizophrenic or canyou just agree that it is harmful and save me the time?

 

[Dogna88]

Doyou want me to dig up stats of mass murderes involving a schizophrenic or canyou just agree that it is harmful and save me the time?

Can you prove that the persons schizophrenia is soely related to cannabis use?

No.

 

[Nasheed]

Can you prove that the persons schizophrenia is soely related to cannabis use?

No.

Can you prove that the persons schizophrenia is soely related to cannabis use?

No.

Yes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...y-slams-drug-s-medical-benefits-unproven.html

 

[Dogna88]

Yes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...y-slams-drug-s-medical-benefits-unproven.html

Did you even read the article.... quotes it can increase the risk of schizophrenia. Not a cause of it.

So back to my question.

Can you prove. Out of all the apparent schizophrenic murders you say. That their schizophenia was a direct result of their cannabis use?

 

[Nasheed]

Did you even read the article.... quotes it can increase the risk of schizophrenia. Not a cause of it.

So back to my question.

Can you prove. Out of all tue apparent schizophrenic murders you say. That their schizophenia was a direct result of their cannabis use?

Lol fuck me.
Showing that a drug increases schizophrenia isnt good enough for you?

If you want an actual link where a joint was involved look at page 2.

 

[CroydonDog]

I just want some of whatever Nasheed is on.

 

[Dogna88]

Lol fuck me.
Showing that a drug increases schizophrenia isnt good enough for you?

If you want an actual link where a joint was involved look at page 2.

Alot of things in life can increase the risk of schizophrenia.

And i only pulles you up because you suggested in your post to gotenks that schizophrenic murders were a result of cannabis use.

 

[Rottie]

Its the same concepts and rationale... spoken to a number of addicts and pedophiles in my time...

Treat drug as a health condition. Why not other issues with the same concepts. Its an extreme example but relates.

Oh come on, ffs. chalk and cheese people that take drugs for recreational use are just having some fun.. what're you gona say next paedophiles are just having fun?
Please dont compare the two like they're a similar trait or something

 

[Dogna88]

Oh come on, ffs. chalk and cheese people that take drugs for recreational use are just having some fun.. what're you gona say next paedophiles are just having fun?
Please dont compare the two like they're a similar trait or something

Im more talking hard lab drugs, ice, heroin, pcp etc.

Urges are urges

 

[Oatley Dog]

The only thing that is not acceptable in sports are performance enhancements ie Steroids and match fixing.

What about betta blockers? What about masking agents? Nod is one thing Coke is another thing altogether. People seem to attribute performance enhancing drugs with those that make you stronger and faster but the truth is pretty much all of the Schedule 1 drugs affect performance for athletes either by speeding them up, calming them down or making them not give a damn and smash into people. It's only when they come down that the true cost of use is known and the injuries/problems manifest. We are rightly concerned about concussion these days. Imagine what would happen if half the players couldn't feel a thing when they went on the field. They would rip each others heads off.

 

[Oatley Dog]

Cool. Lets open up a clinic for every addiction out there, cant show favoritism to prohibited drugs. Set up a gambling clinic where addicts can gamble the governments (tax payer) money and reap the awards. Sex clinics for sex addicts (sign me up). Fuck it, lets have a clinic where paedophiles can go where the govt provides at least kiddy porn for relief!!! But dw, we'll have a counsellor at each one to try rehabilitate them.

Where does it start? Where does it stop? Is one addiction more important than another?

Not practical. Not fair. Would cost millions. Wont stop demand. Instead of lining the pockets of illegal criminal, you will line the pockets of "legal criminals".

Methadine program have utterly failed and still costing millions a year.

It was never a war on drugs. That was just a Nixon expression designed to dig himself out of a hole. That aside those clinics already exist (pedos excepted) and others will come online as new issues develop. That one of the strategies of trying to minimise the impact of such things. Doesn't cost millions it costs billions. That's the not so hidden cost of "just letting people do a few lines if they feel like it." For every 100 who "use responsibly" 10 go down the gurgler and we have to pick up the tab. BTW Methadone clinics haven't failed. There are thousands of people in responsible jobs who use it every day. Unfortunately some addicts can't stick with it and there is a massive shortage of places in the clinics so a lot don't get past the front door.

 

[Rottie]

Im more talking hard lab drugs, ice, heroin, pcp etc.

Urges are urges

Ffs please stop.
So an urge is an urge is an urge is an urge.
So if i get the urge to masturbate its the same as an urge from a rock spider?!?
We all have urges and addictions everyone, dont go comparing different urges and put them in the same categories so suit your argument... i can take good points in any discussion but this argument is quite out there

 

[Dogna88]

Ffs please stop.
So an urge is an urge is an urge is an urge.
So if i get the urge to masturbate its the same as an urge from a rock spider?!?
We all have urges and addictions everyone, dont go comparing different urges and put them in the same categories so suit your argument... i can take good points in any discussion but this argument is quite out there

As stated an extreme example. But same concept.

How many drug addicts and pedophiles have you interacted with???

Legalise hard lab drugs. A whole different beast will be created.

Make it a healthcare problem. A mental health issue. Opens the door for s33 court results for drug affected offenders.

Its really funny how those who are not out there. Day in day out. Are those behind the legalise bandwagon.

 

[Dogna88]

It was never a war on drugs. That was just a Nixon expression designed to dig himself out of a hole. That aside those clinics already exist (pedos excepted) and others will come online as new issues develop. That one of the strategies of trying to minimise the impact of such things. Doesn't cost millions it costs billions. That's the not so hidden cost of "just letting people do a few lines if they feel like it." For every 100 who "use responsibly" 10 go down the gurgler and we have to pick up the tab. BTW Methadone clinics haven't failed. There are thousands of people in responsible jobs who use it every day. Unfortunately some addicts can't stick with it and there is a massive shortage of places in the clinics so a lot don't get past the front door.

All due respect. Go to Canterbury hospital at 8am every sunday. See how the methadone program is exploited.

You cant soley let prohibited drugs and addiction be a healthcare issue. Not everything is sunshine and lollypops ffs

 

[Raysie]

Let the players do what they want. I don't agree with drug-taking of any kind especially when you're an athlete, but at the end of the day it's their lives and they're the ones that have to live with knowing they never played to their full potential.

 

[Rottie]

As stated an extreme example. But same concept.

How many drug addicts and pedophiles have you interacted with???

Legalise hard lab drugs. A whole different beast will be created.

Make it a healthcare problem. A mental health issue. Opens the door for s33 court results for drug affected offenders.

Its really funny how those who are not out there. Day in day out. Are those behind the legalise bandwagon.

Whoa, you must have me confused for someone else, I'm not the guy saying let's legalise class A drugs no. I just saw a comment where you drew parallels with pedophiles and drug users.
Even the worst heroin junkie that shoots up in his eyeballs doesn't come close to a pedo.
Pedophiles are in a class of their own, they are to me worse than satan himself, you cannot describe a worse being ever

to answer your question in my younger days the only people I ever interacted with were pill/drug heads, it was extremely fun, we never harmed anybody, we were all lovey telling eachother over and over how much we all loved eachother, wide eyed in the nightclubs, yes good good fun (100% more than a few kennelers know what I'm talking about) but we grew up and now your like why the fuck is the music so loud, so yeah we had to move on and grow up.

To answer your other question about the pedo, no I have never interacted with a pedo and I never will. I swear to you I'm not acting like a tuffy or anything, if someone ever pointed a pedo out to me and I knew it was true I'd probably do something dumb...