Joey Johns halves coaching role at the dogs?

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Because our whole 08 team was talentless (except for el Masri, utai).

how can you forget Jarred Hickey??

we signed him that year on 200k/ year for 2 years and was called the "leader of the pack"
 

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If avaIlable, the appointment of Johns would be the smartest decision the club has made for a while. Whilst it's well documented our halves need to play like.. how can I say this...halves, to be the best you have to employ the best and Johns is the best in the business. It's s perfect marriage in consideration of our weaknesses.
 

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If avaIlable, the appointment of Johns would be the smartest decision the club has made for a while. Whilst it's well documented our halves need to play like.. how can I say this...halves, to be the best you have to employ the best and Johns is the best in the business. It's s perfect marriage in consideration of our weaknesses.
What is the point? Des wants them to play a certain way so what would Johns change? Very little. You can tell he is frustrated when he watched the dogs play though lol.
 

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If avaIlable, the appointment of Johns would be the smartest decision the club has made for a while. Whilst it's well documented our halves need to play like.. how can I say this...halves, to be the best you have to employ the best and Johns is the best in the business. It's s perfect marriage in consideration of our weaknesses.
It would be useful only if Des would be willing to change the way he holds the halves back.
 

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Poison chalice.
 

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What is the point? Des wants them to play a certain way so what would Johns change? Very little. You can tell he is frustrated when he watched the dogs play though lol.
You're probably right. Though Johns is frustrated because we are the most predictable and uninspiring team in the competition in attack. What he may actually do is convince Des to try a few adventurous plays...he has a footy brain & see's things others don't. The advantage Johns also has is that he sees our game unfold from the commentary box and probably has a million ideas on what our halves could be doing better.. But who the hell knows, Des being Des is a control freak.
 

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Johns has one of the greatest rugby league minds of all time. He was doing things as a half 20 years ago that is starting to become main stream now.

But as a coach he is horrendous. The thing he did as a player can't be coached. His vision, his talent can not be passed on to a kid. You either have it or don't.

He is very clinical with his kicks. And as a kicking coach he is probably the best in the business (to teach a player how to strike the ball for bombs, Punts, grubbers, banana kicks etc). we would be better suited to have our halves spend the offseason with him instead of afl clubs (where in afl the objecting is to pass the ball to a player, not try to find open space/make the ball difficult to take). When our halves kick long they drop punt it and the ball goes high, and not too far. No power on the kicks and they just float to the opposition players (giving them plenty of time to get under the ball) that is very similar to an afl kick.

If you compared it to some great kicking players like sezar and even his hooker Hodgson the kick with a very low trajectory. Which puts more power on the ball (instead of the power going to propel the kick upwards, It's focused on distance, which gives defence no time to get under it. And then it rolls on.

As a full time mentor johns is very far off ideal. His drinking, gambling and drug problems are very evident. He is a bad influence on a club. Do you really want someone like him at the club 3 days a week?

The guy had amazing talent. Will probably go down as the best all round player in the game (defence, passing, kicking, running, converting) the guy had no weakness in his game. But like I said most of what made him legendary as a player can not be taught to someone (like when the defence is sliding which is the better pass to throw). That's all instinct not something you pick up from reading about it.
 

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Not sure how Johns is as a coach but at least he'd be honest. He's the most critical of our half's, Des wouldn't like anyone around who isn't a yes man though.
 

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You're probably right. Though Johns is frustrated because we are the most predictable and uninspiring team in the competition in attack. What he may actually do is convince Des to try a few adventurous plays...he has a footy brain & see's things others don't. The advantage Johns also has is that he sees our game unfold from the commentary box and probably has a million ideas on what our halves could be doing better.. But who the hell knows, Des being Des is a control freak.
Exactly, Des wouldn't listen. The dogs have to play how HE wants them too. Our first 2 attacking sets said everything last night. Inside the 10 and we fucking run it ffs. It is clearly sucking the confidence away from Mbye and JR...

Funny thing is both Moses and Reynolds were forced to play what was infront of them twice last night, and both times they came up with the right kick. Moses with his nicely placed grubber under pressure for Lichaa to score, and Reynolds with his perfectly placed kick for a repeat set...

Both those kicks clearly showed us they have the ability to put in a well placed kick at the end of the set based on what is infront of them. Des should be encouraging this type of play and working on improving this area in there games...but instead he would rather instruct them to run it or kick it straight to the winger so we can force the opposition to work it out of a corner.
 

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Not sure how Johns is as a coach but at least he'd be honest. He's the most critical of our half's, Des wouldn't like anyone around who isn't a yes man though.
Unfortunately i missed most of the game, but caught a lot of the after match chat on MMM. Johns very very critical of the kicking game, in particular M'Bye's
 

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Unfortunately i missed most of the game, but caught a lot of the after match chat on MMM. Johns very very critical of the kicking game, in particular M'Bye's
For good reason, Mbyes kicking was woeful last night but Josh's isn't much better. Both seem incapable of putting up a big bomb, but even so no one would chase them anyway.
 

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I wouldn't want to have that scum anywhere near Belmore.
He is poison and how can he possible coach anyone to be drugged off your face whilst playing, that's all he ever did.
He never has a good word about our club either.. Why should we support his habit.
 

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Exactly, Des wouldn't listen. The dogs have to play how HE wants them too. Our first 2 attacking sets said everything last night. Inside the 10 and we fucking run it ffs. It is clearly sucking the confidence away from Mbye and JR...

Funny thing is both Moses and Reynolds were forced to play what was infront of them twice last night, and both times they came up with the right kick. Moses with his nicely placed grubber under pressure for Lichaa to score, and Reynolds with his perfectly placed kick for a repeat set...

Both those kicks clearly showed us they have the ability to put in a well placed kick at the end of the set based on what is infront of them. Des should be encouraging this type of play and working on improving this area in there games...but instead he would rather instruct them to run it or kick it straight to the winger so we can force the opposition to work it out of a corner.
And a great point you have raised around our strategy when 5-10 meters out.. Why would a coach in his right mind instruct his team to run pedestrian forward plays right up until the last tackle and in reality only give yourself 1 realistic chance at scoring? And that by the way usually ends with a bloke getting tackled on the last or an ill-directed cross field kick..
The game of rugby league I know, you need to go through the sets of hands when in attacking positions and possess a variety of last tackle kicking options. We don't want to see Tolman and Graham taking 4 hit ups between them inside the opposition 20 and we sure as hell don't want to see this tactic of running the ball on the last on every attacking set close to the line.
 
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Last real half back with a decent kicking game was Kimmorley and Sherwin . Sherwin was terrifically accurate, El Magic scored so often at the end his kicks. John's was right about the kicking game being the difference between the 2 sides last night. I pretty much swore at the end of most sets last night.
 

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Last real half back with a decent kicking game was Kimmorley and Sherwin . Sherwin was terrifically accurate, El Magic scored so often at the end his kicks. John's was right about the kicking game being the difference between the 2 sides last night. I pretty much swore at the end of most sets last night.
Yeh when you class our kickers I would say Mbye is a 50% kicker and the same goes for Reynolds. So all up combined they are 1 fte.

Most teams have 3-4 kickers these days.

We barely have 1.

I remember a game last year I think hokko went down. And Mbye was the only player that could kick. And we couldn't get the kick away. We lack options (probably due to stacking the starting pack with front rowers) we lack a skilful lock/fullback that can do some kicking to take the pressure off the halves. And what we really lack is a kicking game from lichaa.

Right now we only have Reynolds or Mbye to do the kicking. So the markers can just run to them on the last.

I still think all we need is a good kick/pass/run halfback. We put Mbye at 1 (extra kicking option and we will finally have a ball playing fullback). And we keep Reynolds at 6. If we can develop a kicking game into lichaa then we have a very strong spine with kicking options all through it. We won't be raiders good when it comes to kicking but we will definitely be miles ahead of where we are now.
 
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