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I was told that we had someone else lined up. I thought it was Folau but that appears to be wrong. The other names mentioned are Hayne, Moltzen, Locke and now Ferguson.
Gerard Beale and Nathan Gardner also being mentioned.

Hayne will not be released, out of all the names here Id be happy with either Locke or Ferguson, any of the others would be a massive let down.........at this stage
 

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I still think Locke is our man. A highly underrated Fullback in my opinion.
 

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I would prefer we just wait till a decent fullback comes on the player market or is willing to do a barba and break contract but i don't think a lot of other clubs are as soft as us. Locke,moltzen,gardner,beale are just nothing signings. I still can't believe our admin or whoever makes these decisions would just let a player out of a contract and have nothing else lined up but it's done now and time to move on. This folou rubbish i never believed for a second, no way we would have payed the 800k+ or whatever he is asking.
 

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1. Folau
2. Hayne
3. Josh Morris
4. Gardner/Locke (happy with either, rate them both)

in that order for me... however Lafai must remain in the centres for all 5 options

As for the club going soft, did you really expect them to keep him prisoner??? He had to go, bottom line, we came out on top in terms of PR and 'having done everything right by him'. Plus whatever disclosed amount Brisbane paid us, probably wouldn't have happened under ugly circumstances

Time to move on, just like we did with all the others
 

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I was told that we had someone else lined up. I thought it was Folau but that appears to be wrong. The other names mentioned are Hayne, Moltzen, Locke and now Ferguson.
Right.
 

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1. Folau
2. Hayne
3. Josh Morris
4. Gardner/Locke (happy with either, rate them both)

in that order for me... however Lafai must remain in the centres for all 5 options

As for the club going soft, did you really expect them to keep him prisoner??? He had to go, bottom line, we came out on top in terms of PR and 'having done everything right by him'. Plus whatever disclosed amount Brisbane paid us, probably wouldn't have happened under ugly circumstances

Time to move on, just like we did with all the others
I was always happy for us to release barba once a suitable replacement was found. Well maybe happy is the wrong word but i'm sure you get what i mean.
 

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I was always happy for us to release barba once a suitable replacement was found. Well maybe happy is the wrong word but i'm sure you get what i mean.
Fair enough,

Just keep in mind Option 3 (Josh Morris). He is a gun player, just have to look at what he did against Inglis Origin 2012. There are great signs for him at fullback NOW, let alone with a full off season.

He is capable of out doing any of the options listed.

Letting Barba go wasn't ideal but inevitable. In any case we will be as strong without him. I'm confident about that...
 

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Wow! Way to make someone depressed. Seriously most of its true. I don't know why this keeps happening to us. It's heart breaking really. If we kept just some of those players we'd have a couple more premierships in the cupboard right now and that hurts even more. I feel like crying now. Fk!
 

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Player power is at a peak due to the professional era. Some people just don't understand.
We understand. Clubs need to stand up and take the power away. Not very hard to do. Takes a bit of backbone though.
 

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Fair enough,

Just keep in mind Option 3 (Josh Morris). He is a gun player, just have to look at what he did against Inglis Origin 2012. There are great signs for him at fullback NOW, let alone with a full off season.

He is capable of out doing any of the options listed.

Letting Barba go wasn't ideal but inevitable. In any case we will be as strong without him. I'm confident about that...
If des is thinking of keeping morris at FB than i guess that does change the situation because than the club is most likely looking at getting in a center/winger for a bit more depth rather than a specialist fullback. I guess all we can do is sit back and see how this all pans out.
 

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We understand. Clubs need to stand up and take the power away. Not very hard to do. Takes a bit of backbone though.
We did that once with our 2004/2005 crop, spent the two/three season with a garbage line-up finishing bottom of the table. Losing a coach, sponsors, supporters, etc

Realistically, you can’t afford too many season like that so you have to find the right balance with the top-line players.

IMO you can’t just take the power away and play it too hard. You need the top-line players and you need them happy. Right balance though…
 

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If des is thinking of keeping morris at FB than i guess that does change the situation because than the club is most likely looking at getting in a center/winger for a bit more depth rather than a specialist fullback. I guess all we can do is sit back and see how this all pans out.
That's it :grinning:
 

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1. We don't know who they have their sights set on. I'm pretty sure they would also acknowledge the need for a decent replacement.
2. We don't know the specifications of the agreement with Brisbane. EDIT* Just learnt of the $300000 transfer fee. Bastards.
3. They didn't just let him wander away. This has been months of build up. Football, contract or no, is about people and frankly you can't force a person to live a life they don't want. What would they do, get a whip and MAKE him come to training? IMO the bulldogs have done the right thing by allowing him to f*ck off, we would all much prefer a person who wants to be with us.
 
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We did that once with our 2004/2005 crop, spent the two/three season with a garbage line-up finishing bottom of the table. Losing a coach, sponsors, supporters, etc

Realistically, you can’t afford too many season like that so you have to find the right balance with the top-line players.

IMO you can’t just take the power away and play it too hard. You need the top-line players and you need them happy. Right balance though…
If supporters leave after a bad season or two then let them go, they're not true supporters !
 

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We did that once with our 2004/2005 crop, spent the two/three season with a garbage line-up finishing bottom of the table. Losing a coach, sponsors, supporters, etc

Realistically, you can’t afford too many season like that so you have to find the right balance with the top-line players.

IMO you can’t just take the power away and play it too hard. You need the top-line players and you need them happy. Right balance though…
That's bullshit. The vlub has never stuck up for itself. It's always allowed the player to dictate the terms
 

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Most teams have worked Barba out and have lessened his impact, we won't be any different.
The future is Reynolds and he also knows how to slice the defence with that little step.
 

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This shit would have not flown if bullfrog was still ceo may he rest in peace, true leader
Hole In One!
Frog was the face of the Dogs and the club copped little shit with him at the helm.
What's happened since...
Fearful of a return to the days of Coffs Harbour, we simply roll over spread our legs and let the victor take the spoils.
Des coaches 'em, Politis poaches 'em!
I for one, have had enough. No more membership dues from me until we extract an iron clad commitment from each and every player: DOG TILL I DIE!
 

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i dont understand the absolute need for a replacement, in fact im satisfied with the situation now

*we have morris at fullback, hes a great player and i think playing better than barba already

*all year weve been in a musical chairs situation with the backline, specifically tim lafai behind morris at left centre and missing out on the place in the team

i think the pieces have fallen into place perfectly, all that needs to happen is sign a supplementary outside back, someone with versatility is a bonus
 

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That's bullshit. The vlub has never stuck up for itself. It's always allowed the player to dictate the terms
Can i interject ?
Actually ... f*ck it, imma interupt anyway.

The four we lost each came with their own reasons.
It's a little simplistic to simply label it 'poor management by club'.
More a case of mitigating circumstances.

Mason -> Led a revolt against Folkes. Successive off-field indiscretions. While he 'smashed us' once only in the aftermath (and yes it sucked), his demise has continued. Years later he's admitted the error of his ways. Club did stick up for itself. It dug it's heels in and demanded better of him. HE left.

SBW -> Walked out on a deal that our club successfully negotiated. 5 years later, he's returned a more complete athlete (credit where it's due), and played well to beat us twice (yep, they sucked too). Club stuck up for itself and pursued our rights to ensure no-one else saw a benefit from his change-of-heart.

Idris -> Subject to a higher offer from Titans (with the promise of a career in kids TV). He declined our offers. Club stuck up for itself, in that we were not willing to offer more than we believed he was worth. His form at Titans since, and their success compared to ours, justifies our stance back then. If not for that, we'd not have Morris.

Barba -> A highly unique situation where the games best player has simply burned all of his bridges at the place that moulded him, through his inability to cope with the highly unique demands. Now, with the clock ticking on his 'earning window', he must lie in the bed he's made for himself behind the scenes, and return to the sanctity of home and family in order to have any semblance of a meaningful relationship with his kids once his NRL career if over.

In this instance, we're not 'sticking up for ourselves'. We're using foresight, and evaluating contingencies to minimise our losses ... much like we've been forced to do in the three cases listed above.

It's entirely possible Barba will have a good game against us when he faces us ... and just like the others, it'll suck if he does. But that's not a reflection of how we perform as a club. Furthermore, "demanding" players stay and honour their deals, but with that you run the risk of getting a Sandow in your squad, which I argue is worse management.
 

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If supporters leave after a bad season or two then let them go, they're not true supporters !
That comment is fine from a loyal supporter’s point of view

But from a club point of view, you need ALL types of fans; bandwagoners, blow ins, newbies, loyalist etc. It’s all cash buddy and you can’t have them all with a team that doesn’t perform.

And you can’t maintain a solid roster if you don’t find common ground with elite (aka ball breaking) players, you can’t just have a fuk you mentality. Our way or the highway, won’t work over the long run IMO
 
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