News ‘Chopping and changing’: Burton’s big call on Dogs’ halves mystery as new recruit shines

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He might have X Factor as you say but how well do players around him perform .... i would suggest he doesn't bring people into the game as a 5/8 should.

He is the Marcus Rashford of the NRL .... capable of brilliant moments only to go into his shell for the rest of the game.
Because too much expectation has been placed on him too early in his career. Put a young Munster in there and I guarantee he’d have the same issues. He needs a senior organiser alongside him (Hutchison might work) and a clearly defined role. Give him those things plus a full preseason and I think he’ll show what he can do.

One thing I feel sure of is a halves pairing of Sexton and Hutchison won’t instil fear into any opposition teams. I’d even have Mann at five eighth over that combo.
 

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Don't undersand the hate for Burton. He was poor last year but JAC looked like a NSW Cup player, Alamoti looked like he should never rise above NSW Cup , Sexton looked like an organizing NSW Cup halve with no razzle dazzle, RFM looked like he was unwanted at NRL or NSW Cup, Sutton looked like an average NSWCup player, Thompson didn't even look like a NSW Cup quality player don't worry NRL and TPJ may as well have not played most weeks. Burton won't do much unless Sexton or Hutcho improve drastically and they won't do much unless King remains fit, Curran finds consistency and at least two youngsters have breakout years Hughes most likely, Morrin as an impact player at best as he aint no starter or Edwards or Patolo if they find they can double their intensity with more aggression.
Fuck. We are doomed!

Just as well we have Taaffe, Kiraz, Crichton, Hutch, Preston and.... Turpin.
 

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Agree , you have to learn the trade, his best season in the centres probably exaggerated expectations but also the fact he was training at centre and not at 6 is a huge thing as well. Even if he was the back up training in the halves and learning from the established guys improves his game. Then he comes he was the halves saviour with no help or any old head to learn from. Jimmy Maloney was big for Penrith and would have been good here for a couple yrs. Burton is learning and probably should stick to his strength of running than worrying about control and finding space for the outside players. His strength is running direct and that power n step. Last yr everyone tried to do to much hopefully with more experience we don’t have any more strokes and smashed tv’s lol
Let me put Burton in perspective ...

Josh Reynolds was a far better 5/8th entering first grade than Burton has ever shown.

JR's kicking game was poor, but bloody gosh he could create things for himself and the players around him.

2012 GF replay was on Fox today. JR had just as much experience as Burton does now and would have run rings around him.

As I've said many times.....you need at least 2 out of 4 attributes to be a decent 5/8th. Passing, Running, Kicking, Defending.

JR had passing and running down pat. His long kicking was poor but shirt kicking wasn't too bad. His defence was questionable but often ignited the team.

Burton has been poor in 3 of those attributes and it cannot be sustained anymore.

Even Hutch is already with better Passing, better Defending and reasonable Kicking.

It's Hutch from round 1 for me.
 

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I look at things this way. We are on the cusp of having class in every position.

Fullback- Still up in the air. But we have 4 good prospects in (no particular order) Taaffe, Tracey, Chrichton and Wilson. I may have missed options and haven't listed a couple on their way up the grades. But they might become options later in the year if they excel until then.

Wings- between JAC, Kiraz, Wilson, Skelton. Quality aplenty there.

Centre- Xerri, Crichton, Tracey, Taaffe, Skelton.

Halves- Seems like Hutchison, Sexton and Burton are being talked of as the main three options. But Taaffe has some ability there I think Jaemen Salmon has a bit of game time there and we also have some youngsters and Rajab progressing.

Second row- Kikau and Preston are almost walk up starters I'd think. After that I don't know who's likely to earn bench spots.

Props. After the monarch and his protector (King and Knight) we are short on experienced props. I'm hoping that with more attacking threats elsewhere, we might be able to implement strategies to prevent the opposition from numbering up on them. If they're given licence to spread the ball when they see bunched defence it could create chances for support runners and we've got some good ones. But it'll be interesting to see if Hughes lives up to the hype gathering around him.

Hooker- Mahoney and Turpin jump out as the first options. But I'm sure some of our utilities might have some experience at 9 and might jump Turpin in the pecking order if they add options elsewhere. And after 75 NRL games, Turpin hasn't ever won the chief hooking role outright at Brisbane or the chooks as far as I know. But he's averaged just under 15 NRL games a year since 2019. If giving him or a utility a spell to freshen Mahoney up improves Mahoney's ability to make good decisions I'm all for carrying Turpin or a utility with some hooking ability for that reason. I know Hutchison & Mann have Lock, Hooker, halves and centre as their positions. If Hutchison isn't picked at 6 or 7 I'd potentially like to see him or Mann do one stint each half to spell Mahoney and possibly Curren. Seems fit enough to do 15 at lock and 15 at hooker and adds a quality kicking option in either role.

Lock- from the articles I've been seeing, Curren might be first/main choice here. I'm not even sure who his competition is for the 13 jersey at this point. But I think Curren will be a fan favourite. As mentioned. We've got utilities that can cover hooker and lock. I wouldn't mind his backup being a utility with some kicking ability. It'd be nice to have a good kicking option to help out our young halves (if Sexton and Burton get the nod).

I'm sure I've missed some players that should factor in decisions about certain positions. But my point is that we will have some very good competition for most positions. If we can get some strategies in play to support our weakest position it might help them build form as the season goes on.

If we are a bit overwhelmed by opposition props smacking ours in numbers, we should have options to make them pay for it. As part of our attacking arsenal I'd have the fullback and the closest centre positioned ready to support offloads from the props on the early tackles. They don't need to get involved more than a few times per half to be playing on the minds of the defence. And if it results in an occasional line break down the middle by someone with pace it's even better. And on the off chance that we lose the ball we'll have an extra quick player out the back to defending potential line breaks defensively. Little plays like this happening frequently enough to create doubt in the defence.
 

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Let me put Burton in perspective ...

Josh Reynolds was a far better 5/8th entering first grade than Burton has ever shown.

JR's kicking game was poor, but bloody gosh he could create things for himself and the players around him.

2012 GF replay was on Fox today. JR had just as much experience as Burton does now and would have run rings around him.

As I've said many times.....you need at least 2 out of 4 attributes to be a decent 5/8th. Passing, Running, Kicking, Defending.

JR had passing and running down pat. His long kicking was poor but shirt kicking wasn't too bad. His defence was questionable but often ignited the team.

Burton has been poor in 3 of those attributes and it cannot be sustained anymore.

Even Hutch is already with better Passing, better Defending and reasonable Kicking.

It's Hutch from round 1 for me.
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Let me put Burton in perspective ...

Josh Reynolds was a far better 5/8th entering first grade than Burton has ever shown.

JR's kicking game was poor, but bloody gosh he could create things for himself and the players around him.

2012 GF replay was on Fox today. JR had just as much experience as Burton does now and would have run rings around him.

As I've said many times.....you need at least 2 out of 4 attributes to be a decent 5/8th. Passing, Running, Kicking, Defending.

JR had passing and running down pat. His long kicking was poor but shirt kicking wasn't too bad. His defence was questionable but often ignited the team.

Burton has been poor in 3 of those attributes and it cannot be sustained anymore.

Even Hutch is already with better Passing, better Defending and reasonable Kicking.

It's Hutch from round 1 for me.
Can you ask Marley for a George ramonous review please.
JR was under rated . He has a little skill but so much energy.
Burton has a higher upside but needs a few redbulls .
 

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When I put my SC cap on and originally had Burton at center it was by no means due to his 2023 performance or because I dont like him. The 'Cirado-isation' of the puppies clearly separated the men from the boys and I think people like him and Mahoney just switched off for various reasons that everyones' well aware of. I think its healthier to stop worrying about last year.

I thought having two centers with 5/8 abilities would be lethal in attack (Especially if u imagine adding 2 good halves) plus you get solid defence. I also thought it provided flexibility should something happen in a match. Also, just because he lines up there doesnt mean he plays there so you can mix up the game plan abit if you need to - on demand so to speak.

Botton line is the more I thought about it the more I developed a man crush on Ciraldo. To me he's a phuckn ledgend and I rekon Bulldogs are on the cusp of not only playing better but in a style that will show why good things take time. One of the main reasons I flat mailed was for entertainment purposes. I actually also felt sorry for Burton and all the crap that I dont think he deserved in hope it lightened things up abit.

What really gets me excited is when we sort the pack, daaaaamn we gonna be parting like pornstars at the barilla bordello!!!
 

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BLAKE TAAFFE for fullback or in the halves. Either way he will prove his WORTH quick !! :grinning: :grinning:
 

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I would argue it’s Mahoney to be honest. Burton was poor 2nd half of the season but surprised Reed isn’t getting more heat from Dogs supporters given how badly his form dropped off.
100%. but in his defence he sort of tried to do too much to make up for the deficiencies in the halves as well as being captain and it just didn’t work out. hopefully they simplify it for him this year and get him back to his best
 

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I think like Critta, Burton is too talented to be in the centres. The way Burton played early last year with his kicks threading them through the defensive line for the Fox were great. I think he plays best as a running 5/8 attacking the line and has a side step and speed to get through gaps and also offload.

As he is such a big kicker I reckon he is better closer to the ruck rather than in the centres. Though it is also good to have that option of a good kicker in the centres. Potentially I think Burton could be a Laurie Daley type 5/8 directing the team but also having a running game and able to offload.
 

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If the club plays Hutcho and Sexton in the halves at once they are dooomed. If the club fields a pack that only has Knight, Hughes, Patolo and Sutton besides King and maybe Curran it is doomed. I'm convinced this will be a long season, so of those youngsters including Hughes, Patolo, Morrin, Edwards and Rajab will need to double their impact for the side to make the top half of the NRL ladder.
 

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Quite a few people saying to just move him to centre before a ball has been kicked in anger.

Just don’t get the excessive criticism. Most of our players looked devoid of energy last year… with the possible exception of Reed, who looked like a hyperactive 6-year-old who forgot to take his ADHD pills.

Lacklustre year of not, Burton was still probably our most dangerous playmaker last year. He has more X Factor than Sexton and Hutchison combined.
Last year you were rubbishing Burton, I guess it was because you were trying to talk up your usless altar-ego flamingo.
Thank you anti Bulldog fan for changing your opinion on Burton, is it because flamingo is gone.
 

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Because too much expectation has been placed on him too early in his career. Put a young Munster in there and I guarantee he’d have the same issues. He needs a senior organiser alongside him (Hutchison might work) and a clearly defined role. Give him those things plus a full preseason and I think he’ll show what he can do.

One thing I feel sure of is a halves pairing of Sexton and Hutchison won’t instil fear into any opposition teams. I’d even have Mann at five eighth over that combo.
This will be his fourth season in first grade .... has played SOO, represented Australia and won a competition with Penrith.

Burton is running out of time and excuses ... it is this season or bust as a 5/8 for The Dogs in my view.

The strength of our team is our outside backs ... they need to be provided with QUALITY ball, seriously doubt Mann would be any better than Burton at that .... Hutch was signed for this specific reason.

We also need to take into account organisation and communication.

Defense is another issue.

It is all about what is best for the team.
 

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Let me put Burton in perspective ...

Josh Reynolds was a far better 5/8th entering first grade than Burton has ever shown.

JR's kicking game was poor, but bloody gosh he could create things for himself and the players around him.

2012 GF replay was on Fox today. JR had just as much experience as Burton does now and would have run rings around him.

As I've said many times.....you need at least 2 out of 4 attributes to be a decent 5/8th. Passing, Running, Kicking, Defending.

JR had passing and running down pat. His long kicking was poor but shirt kicking wasn't too bad. His defence was questionable but often ignited the team.

Burton has been poor in 3 of those attributes and it cannot be sustained anymore.

Even Hutch is already with better Passing, better Defending and reasonable Kicking.

It's Hutch from round 1 for me.
Chuck that early career Josh Reynolds into the team we've had the last few years and he doesn't even make 10 games before going to NSW Cup. As much as I love Josh Reynolds, we saw the real Reynolds in those last few years he had with us when our squad started getting weaker.

It's unfair putting Burton and he against one another as Burton in that 2012 side possibly goes to the moon. An example that backs this up is Kris Keating... that mofo in 2012 looked like a genius.
 

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He’s by far the most unfairly maligned player at the club, imo. And numerous people are already picking him at centre from round one, which would be a huge waste, imo.

He may have played a lot of five eighth in juniors and lower grades, but first grade is a totally different beast.

Burton has had to come into a struggling side and become the dominant, senior half despite not being very experienced as a first grade half himself, having no real leaders in the spine (with the expectation of Reed, who played like a headless chook last year). Add to that the fact he’s been paying behind a whipped pack, had no preseason last year, had to play with numerous halves partners past yesr, and was even asked to move to halfback and perform a role in the team that is not his strength for a period, and is it any wonder he struggled. Any young half would have struggled on his position.

Burton showed really good signs in 2022 when he had a clearly defined role. Also played with plenty of energy and passion.

The rhetoric here when it comes to Ciraldo, and even Reed seems to be give them as much time as they need, they have a really hard job to do. So why are we so quick to put the pressure on Burton and say it’s a make or break year for him?

He’s probably the biggest talent at the club, imho. Needs to be given time and shown patience. Especially given the club is in a rebuild.

Edit: sorry fam, just realised I replied to this comment twice.
I have never agreed more with you than this

Bang on analysis and mirrors my thoughts. Burton at centre would be an out and out disaster. Long term he won't stay there and this season you lose what he's capable of at 5/8th
 

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More chance us playing centre than Burton in my opinion
 

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Burton was not the greatest last season. But, he has been training with 100% footballers around him.
He has had a good pre-season and will have learnt a lot this year. I expect him to have a very improved year.
 

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