U.S. Politics - Thread

[The DoggFather]

It’s fun being a big bully boy until you get knocked out.. America baby. Home of the brave baby. The US of A always proving the world with entertainment.

The land of the thieves and the home of the slaves....

 

[CaptainJackson]

Nar bud. I saw it on 7 or 9. Bloke who got punched had a red jacket on.

Even with the video you sent. He still got king hit from behind. Then his head stomped on. There is many other ways to deal with him than what happened. Grabbing him from behind then someone punching him from the front would have been less thug like. The response was not proportionate to the initial actions.

In conflict there are "rules of war". Sucker punches and head stomping are a dog, gutless acts.

Bro have to disagree with you for the reason of these proud boys have a history of instigating violence, ganging up 20 on 1, starting marches for the purpose of violence, basically looking for political violence. They are the modern day brown shirts.

In mob violence there's never been "rules of war" that shit happens in movies or organised Eastern european football hooligan fights. Especially in a place like the US with the history the US has in regards to civil unrest (LA riots, Vietnam protests, civil liberties protest), where the underlying reasons are always ignored and that the police continuously have demonised one side.

 

[Dogna88]

Bro have to disagree with you for the reason of these proud boys have a history of instigating violence, ganging up 20 on 1, starting marches for the purpose of violence, basically looking for political violence. They are the modern day brown shirts.

In mob violence there's never been "rules of war" that shit happens in movies or organised Eastern european football hooligan fights. Especially in a place like the US with the history the US has in regards to civil unrest (LA riots, Vietnam protests, civil liberties protest), where the underlying reasons are always ignored and that the police continuously have demonised one side.

What does that justify though? Violence can never be a pretext for violence.

Not one single person, organisation throughout history has ever thought they were on the "evil" side. Its all about perception. Even Hitler lol, he justified his violence too (like proud boys would also do). They use violence as a pretext for violence.

The "i did it because he did it" mentality is ever escalating. Wont have an end.

The apex gangs of Melbourne had a history of violent mob attacks and home invasions. Does that justify people responding to their violence with further violent assaults etc?

For the below scenario, ill assume you have a child.

Your son is known as a bully (although you think he is a good church boys). He is the local alpha male at his pub. He has had one to many beers one night. Picks a fight with a few younger skinny lads at his pubs, who were minding their own business. Your son pushes around the weakest one, could have walked away many times. Another skinny lad runs from behind and punches him, catching him unaware. Knocks him out. While on the ground gets kicked in the guts. He dies. Is that justified? Obviously not murder, but are you happy in saying the response to your sons death is justifiable? Its a true story btw, i was there for the aftermath.

Would you be happy to say that the looters who damaged and destroyed property in the BLM riots could be justifiably assaulted and potentially killed by coward acts?

Come on man, i can understand (but not agree) if you said the guy deserved to get hit in a fair fight. But thi was a sucker punch followed by head stomping on an unconscious human.

 

[wendog33]

Nar bud. I saw it on 7 or 9. Bloke who got punched had a red jacket on.

Even with the video you sent. He still got king hit from behind. Then his head stomped on. There is many other ways to deal with him than what happened. Grabbing him from behind then someone punching him from the front would have been less thug like. The response was not proportionate to the initial actions.

In conflict there are "rules of war". Sucker punches and head stomping are a dog, gutless acts.

Agree 100%...but...it's something that happens in every CBD in every city, probably most days/nights, whether USA, Australia, London, Belgium, Moscow, Bahamas

The Proud Boys/Trumpsters marching into BLM square with flags etc while those other protesters had taken up occupancy wouldn't help.

They are all complicit and this is just what Trump and sons have called for Donny said fight to the death.

 

[The DoggFather]

When did these proud boy poofs start? Same time as anqueefa?

Never heard about both these shit stains untill trump v hellary

 

[Dogna88]

Agree 100%...but...it's something that happens in every CBD in every city, probably most days/nights, whether USA, Australia, London, Belgium, Moscow, Bahamas

The Proud Boys/Trumpsters marching into BLM square with flags etc while those other protesters had taken up occupancy wouldn't help.

They are all complicit and this is just what Trump and sons have called for Donny said fight to the death.

Ok and in response to that, the left responds with violent acts. Then that justify the right to respond with violent acts. And so and so on.

Each side thinks their actions are a justified response to the others actions.

Violence will solve nothing. Taking the law into your own hands in a violent way, will solve nothing.

And i say this both to the left and right.

 

[The DoggFather]

Agree 100%...but...it's something that happens in every CBD in every city, probably most days/nights, whether USA, Australia, London, Belgium, Moscow, Bahamas

The Proud Boys/Trumpsters marching into BLM square with flags etc while those other protesters had taken up occupancy wouldn't help.

They are all complicit and this is just what Trump and sons have called for Donny said fight to the death.

Remember when the majority of you on here laughed at me when I called civil war over a year ago?..... still laughing or you seeing it brew up yourselves?

PS not aimed at you sis, just in general.

 

[wendog33]

What does that justify though? Violence can never be a pretext for violence.

Not one single person, organisation throughout history has ever thought they were on the "evil" side. Its all about perception. Even Hitler lol, he justified his violence too (like proud boys would also do). They use violence as a pretext for violence.

The "i did it because he did it" mentality is ever escalating. Wont have an end.

The apex gangs of Melbourne had a history of violent mob attacks and home invasions. Does that justify people responding to their violence with further violent assaults etc?

For the below scenario, ill assume you have a child.

Your son is known as a bully (although you think he is a good church boys). He is the local alpha male at his pub. He has had one to many beers one night. Picks a fight with a few younger skinny lads at his pubs, who were minding their own business. Your son pushes around the weakest one, could have walked away many times. Another skinny lad runs from behind and punches him, catching him unaware. Knocks him out. While on the ground gets kicked in the guts. He dies. Is that justified? Obviously not murder, but are you happy in saying the response to your sons death is justifiable? Its a true story btw, i was there for the aftermath.

That's a very sad aftermath of that scene you describe Dogna.

It highlights that we all need to be more resonsible for our own actions and that there can be terrible consequences when we seek to impose voilence to solve problems.

Men and boys need far more education on how to resolve differences and use their brains instead of brawn.

There were 3 boys involved in your scenario and they all had parents and family and as well as themselves, they will all be profoundly affected by what happened on that night.

The coward punch campaign here was mildly successful but more needs to be done.

Having brain dead Presidents and enablers doesn't help. Who knows where this will end up for USA

 

[wendog33]

Remember when the majority of you on here laughed at me when I called civil war over a year ago?..... still laughing or you seeing it brew up yourselves?

PS not aimed at you sis, just in general.

I never laughed. I can see it happen for sure.

 

[Dogna88]

That's a very sad aftermath of that scene you describe Dogna.

It highlights that we all need to be more resonsible for our own actions and that there can be terrible consequences when we seek to impose voilence to solve problems.

Men and boys need far more education on how to resolve differences and use their brains instead of brown.

There were 3 boys involved in your scenario and they all had parents and family and as well as themselves, they will all be profoundly affected by what happened on that night.

The coward punch campaign here was mildly successful but more needs to be done.

Having brain dead Presidents and enablers doesn't help. Who knows where this will end up for USA

It the same concepts. People justifying violence with violence. From your pub patrons to your crazed presidents. If the left and right keep justifying their violence. There will be alot of dead people.

The educated and reasonable people need to stand up amd say. We are not in the 1700s. We can do this differently. Even if that means calling out certain factions of your cause.

 

[wendog33]

Ok and in response to that, the left responds with violent acts. Then that justify the right to respond with violent acts. And so and so on.

Each side thinks their actions are a justified response to the others actions.

Violence will solve nothing. Taking the law into your own hands in a violent way, will solve nothing.

And i say this both to the left and right.

Just clarifying. Are you saying the left are the BLM looters?

I see the left as largely staying out of this conflict.
People say "the left" where are they?

I've seen BLM riots and then looters from all walks of life taking advantage of trashed shops.

I've seen Biden supporters celebrating and marching in solidarity. I havent seen any of them being violent.

Maybe we are lumping all these diversified groups into warring left or right and in reality its only extremists from both sides plus a President who is not trying to stop it.

 

[CaptainJackson]

For the below scenario, ill assume you have a child.

Your son is known as a bully (although you think he is a good church boys). He is the local alpha male at his pub. He has had one to many beers one night. Picks a fight with a few younger skinny lads at his pubs, who were minding their own business. Your son pushes around the weakest one, could have walked away many times. Another skinny lad runs from behind and punches him, catching him unaware. Knocks him out. While on the ground gets kicked in the guts. He dies. Is that justified? Obviously not murder, but are you happy in saying the response to your sons death is justifiable? Its a true story btw, i was there for the aftermath.

Bro to deal with this part of your post first, I completely understand the context of your story however it's not a relevant example to what's going on. There's an active attempt of authoritarianism through violent means, an active attempt to overthrow an elected government through violent means. People will point at the protests of 2016, however, the 2016 protests agenda/purpose was more a means of showing that the people will not stand for racism/sexism/homophobia/etc (given Trump ran his platform on those things), it wasn't necessarily to overthrow an elected government (yes this did creep in but was not the main purpose of the protests). These 2020 protests, they're purely based on overthrowing an elected government.

So while yes I understand the meaning you're trying to give in your example, it is not a like for like scenario.

What does that justify though? Violence can never be a pretext for violence.

Not one single person, organisation throughout history has ever thought they were on the "evil" side. Its all about perception. Even Hitler lol, he justified his violence too (like proud boys would also do). They use violence as a pretext for violence.

The "i did it because he did it" mentality is ever escalating. Wont have an end.

The apex gangs of Melbourne had a history of violent mob attacks and home invasions. Does that justify people responding to their violence with further violent assaults etc?

That works in a perfect world and textbook ideals, it doesn't work in real life. Ideally, we'd all like to think that our governments/society/etc follow the advice given by our scientists and specialists in that industry but real life doesn't work that way. We've seen the undermining of climate change, we've seen the undermining of COVID response, all through conspiracy theory, youtube videos.

And again, right here, we're seeing the attempt to overthrow an elected government because of baseless conspiracy theories. An overthrow through the use of violence (remember proud boys organise this with a desired outcome of violence). The same conspiracy theories that the far right types have been throwing out the past 4 years is to create distrust in the system of government, to create distrust in the courts of the land, to create such a massive distrust so that the common people can claim the "deep state", the Rothchilds, the freemasons, George Soros etc are ruling the world and will do their will in spite of the general population. These conspiracy theories HAVE A PURPOSE. Create enough distrust so that the general population rises up in a resistance WITH VIOLENCE, it is playing out right now. Seriously Dogna look/research into white supremacists and how they plan to achieve things, they've grown up from white sheets and skin heads, they have a purpose of how they plan to do it, this is it, what you're seeing is it. This is why the FBI lists them as a major domestic terrorism problem, they're end goal is complete disfunction, complete distrust in their laws and government, and an end goal of civil war for ethnic cleansing.

I'm sorry but having read up on what they are trying to achieve and seeing it play out, I would sure as hell stand up to them.

 

[Dogna88]

Just clarifying. Are you saying the left are the BLM looters?

I see the left as largely staying out of this conflict.
People say "the left" where are they?

I've seen BLM riots and then looters from all walks of life taking advantage of trashed shops.

I've seen Biden supporters celebrating and marching in solidarity. I havent seen any of them being violent.

Maybe we are lumping all these diversified groups into warring left or right and in reality its only extremists from both sides plus a President who is not trying to stop it.

Yeh sorry i didnt mean it like that.

I think the left are far more peacful then the right. I tried to get my point out poorley. I was trying to point out both sides can try justify their actions.

I just am of the opinion that justifying violent acts is a very slippery slope. Because both sides will do it.

And it should be avoided and called out at all costs.

Especially fucking king hitting someone. Ao reckless amd dangerous

 

[Dogna88]

Bro to deal with this part of your post first, I completely understand the context of your story however it's not a relevant example to what's going on. There's an active attempt of authoritarianism through violent means, an active attempt to overthrow an elected government through violent means. People will point at the protests of 2016, however, the 2016 protests agenda/purpose was more a means of showing that the people will not stand for racism/sexism/homophobia/etc (given Trump ran his platform on those things), it wasn't necessarily to overthrow an elected government (yes this did creep in but was not the main purpose of the protests). These 2020 protests, they're purely based on overthrowing an elected government.

So while yes I understand the meaning you're trying to give in your example, it is not a like for like scenario.


That works in a perfect world and textbook ideals, it doesn't work in real life. Ideally, we'd all like to think that our governments/society/etc follow the advice given by our scientists and specialists in that industry but real life doesn't work that way. We've seen the undermining of climate change, we've seen the undermining of COVID response, all through conspiracy theory, youtube videos.

And again, right here, we're seeing the attempt to overthrow an elected government because of baseless conspiracy theories. An overthrow through the use of violence (remember proud boys organise this with a desired outcome of violence). The same conspiracy theories that the far right types have been throwing out the past 4 years is to create distrust in the system of government, to create distrust in the courts of the land, to create such a massive distrust so that the common people can claim the "deep state", the Rothchilds, the freemasons, George Soros etc are ruling the world and will do their will in spite of the general population. These conspiracy theories HAVE A PURPOSE. Create enough distrust so that the general population rises up in a resistance WITH VIOLENCE, it is playing out right now. Seriously Dogna look/research into white supremacists and how they plan to achieve things, they've grown up from white sheets and skin heads, they have a purpose of how they plan to do it, this is it, what you're seeing is it. This is why the FBI lists them as a major domestic terrorism problem, they're end goal is complete disfunction, complete distrust in their laws and government, and an end goal of civil war for ethnic cleansing.

I'm sorry but having read up on what they are trying to achieve and seeing it play out, I would sure as hell stand up to them.

As i said i can understand your point and not completely agree. People like that should be challenged, laws in place to punish people like that. The Government in power should do everything to stop them, with all the resources they have. Maybe joe blow shouldn't take it into his own hands. Last thing we want is a "X Is violent and against my beliefs/views, i am going to strap a bomb to my chest and blow them up." We know thats happened before lolll.

I can't condone the response to the proud boys actions in the video you posted. It was not proportionate to what was happening in that situation. It was a dog hit, the head stomping just as bad.

 

[ramonesdog]

The main issue is that both parties are divisive, and neither appear as though they have any interest in letting up, so I don't see an end to the madness regardless of who takes office... the supporters of both parties need to change their ways if there is to be any REAL progress

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Only a few months left before The Purge

 

[The DoggFather]

Only a few months left before The Purge

Can see it happening

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Can see it happening

Will probably last more than 12 hours though.

 

[wendog33]

Can see it happening

And really it's only Trump that can change the course of this probable carnage, or at least, unworkable instability.

Will he put others above himself for the greater good of their country?

I very much doubt it.

He has set up this cult following, proclaimed himself as the chosen one, and like every meglomaniac before him throughout time, has decided that if he has to go down, he will take everyone else with him.

GOP too corrupt to find any gumption or dignity and honour to alter the course they appear headed towards.

 

[Psycho Doggie]