Devils advocate here...
Klemmer did. Hit the jackpot and is now making an arsehole of the rest of himself
Mate. It's very hard to read your comments without wanting to punch the computer screen. Honestly. And I'm not even a violent man ... well, I wasn't until your posts.
The only way to attract top players is to offer them 200-300k more. Every other decent player is going to want at least 100k more. Everything else you say is irrelevant. I don't want it to be like this but that's what happens and the situation we're in. We can retain the majority of our squad and add 3m worth of talent into it. However the board/recruitment team do it is up to them but all I know is we're not getting decent+ players for value. Why would any player leave their current club or sign with us over another club in our current situation for the same amount? (basic commonsense right?) We will only be able to sign reject players that no other club wants or can fit in. I also wouldn't buy four players for 1m, I'd buy 1-2 and a few decent players (which we're going to have to pay extra for).
Everyone else is going to have their own opinion on what they think players are worth, but I think we can retain DWZ, Reimis, Hopoate, Foran, Lewis, Tolman, CHN (on contract), Jackson, Elliott, JMK (on contract), Napa (on contract), RFM, Stimson (on contract) for 5.7m. The salary cap is going to be 9.9m* in 2021. Lets say we signed Latrell 1m, Harry Grant 400k, Thomson 400k, Vunivalu 600k. We'd be up to 8.1m. 18-30 would be on an average 140k each. So we have more like 2.5m to spend, not 3m. If we signed Latrell and Fifita we could only sign one of Thompson or Vunivalu (or maybe we wouldn't sign anyone else). That would be the sacrifice. I'm just using these players as examples. You can replace them with whatever Centre, Hooker, Prop and Winger that you like or even different positions. Also Foran is not getting 850k a year. We'll be moving him on if that's what he demands (he will need to get other offers from other clubs, considering no one picked him up when we were trying to offload him I doubt he's getting those offers) and we'll be running with Cogger.
Have thought it over and you're right.
We paid overs on back ended deals. You do know we misjudged the salary cap growth right? It isn't even the same as now. All I'm saying is we're going to have to pay above value for everyone (unless we're the only club that want them or that can fit them in). The higher they're valued the more we have to pay on top. It's just commonsense. I'd really like to now hear your alternative (also please don't say to keep signing opportunist players or developing our younger players as that's something you can do on the side at the same time).
The part where you said you wanted to hear Steve's alternative is an absolute lie. You've reworded the same post 400 times. You just want to hear everybody agree with you. You should have a talk with latrell Mi chel and David fafita about becoming their manager. Maybe an NFL team would throw them exorbitant wages.
It wears me down coming on here and reading the same stuff again and again. You have done nothing but repeat we need to pay X amount over to get top players but have given no examples of it actually working. I bring up the past. You say it was different. I can point to other clubs, e.g. Newcastle, that spent big on players like Klemmer coming over and it doing nothing. Broncos also.
Just a question. So it’s because there is 9 teams in Sydney that TPAs are few and far between?
You are just guessing though mate. You act like our club has absolutely nothing to offer but money. Look at Manly. They may win a comp in the next couple of years if they stay reasonably injury free.
I agree i think alot on here are stupidly negative and will be surprised with the club in the next few years we are certainly building the foundations to be successful for the long term and recruitment the right players that are good players as well as culture
Yeah so you're confused (inept). 200-300k for top players, e.g. Latrell, Fifita. If we want to sign them that's how how we're going to have to pay on top. That's isn't debatable (if we don't pay it, we don't get them, simple, I'm just saying it how it is). When you talk about decent players, e.g. Koroisau, Ramien, other players around that level we're going to have to pay at least 100k more (I've clearly said the higher the player is valued the more we're going have to pay to lure them... please don't blanket 200-300k for EVERY player, it makes you like like an idiot) if they're wanted by other clubs (or a club is wanting to retain them). You do realise recruiting for 2021 starts in 9 days right? The club has been doing the method you've said for 2 years already. If we want to be competitive in 2021/sign players (that're going to be a difference...) we're going to have to pay that extra to attract talent. The reason why I ask for an alternative is people like you argue with me or say I'm wrong but don't tell me how we're going to recruit ~3m worth of talent before 2021. "Now, if you've got nothing more to say other than 'sign players like Mitchell and Fifta' then please leave it ..." This is moronic and I've said multiple times even decent players we're going to have to pay more to get. I've even said my recruits right now, best case scenario, would be Latrell, Harry Grant, Thompson and Vunivalu. You aren't getting any of them (or anyone else) for value. We will literally sign no one if we don't pay extra. Only 1 of those players is a 1m player and I personally think he's a must signing. That's he situation we're in, open your eyes. If anything the examples you've given e.g. Newcastle, Ramien, Koroisau strengthen what I'm saying (how to recruit - regardless if it worked out or not, we have a stronger base then Newcastle and not coming from 16th position multiple years in a row..., why players didn't join, etc) and besides that you've pretty much changed what I've said and taken bits and pieces to suit your agenda.
Fifita I think will stay with Broncs. Expect they already have money set aside. They might sway a few older heads to test the open market.
Any chance you can hit the pause button for 9 days?
I don't think the club is on a downward spiral, we're just not going to be able to recruit like a top team (will need to use different methods to attract, e.g. money, I also believe CURRENTLY we're the last Sydney club a player would join, yes behind the Dragons and Tigers...). I think we'll finish around the same next year and 2021 will be a really good year for us, assuming we bring players that will make a difference in, but we'll have a few players in the squad worth more then their value so until we can correct that (need success, when their contracts run down, resigning for cheaper or moving them on) down the years/track we're going to be disadvantaged. We're currently a team that's expected to finish just outside the 8 (according to some even lower, I'm personally going to predict us to finish around ~10th based on heart). I think the recruits we make for 2021 will make us an established top 8 side but there will still be a long way to go for top 4. When we're in that position (established top 8 side) then maybe some of the reject signings we're going for will sign for what they're worth but until then I don't see them picking us over another club when they have more success + spending more money then us... (literally the reason why we've missed out on players).
