JOHNY BULLDOG
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Holy shit Nabs hahahaha chicken soup is now running out my nose & all over my computer screen.....getting strange look from office lady!!!!
Next time give me a TLDR/summary... I don't have time to read all that shit.I simply would like to make another statement which in previous threads I feel is not being understood.
In most cases I really feel that as a whole (the majority) are not taking into account that the Bulldogs team in 2019 is much less experienced on the field then they have been in the last 10 years.
It has been acknowledged from when DEAN PAY TOOK OVER that it will take atleast until the 2021 season for the TEAM to be able to have the opportunity to field a team that is potentially on paper to be consistently competitive.
If you take the fact of what players have left in the last 2 years and who have come in you then have to simply admit that the team on paper in 60 to 70 percent less experienced. Taking into consideration FORAN who is on approx 1 million a year has missed most games. Which then even tells a bigger story that the bulldogs on paper are a wooden spoon team regardless of who the coach is.
One must simply admit that the players on the field are limited in creativity, experience and ability.
As mentioned above it was ALWAYS known that the team wont have a winning team until 2021 due to a salary cap issue which was already existent before DEAN PAY took over. That is the FACT.
EVEN If you HAD THE BEST COACH in Bellamy with the same team and had to make same hard decisions to let go of all the players which PAY has let go then on the field it would be very similar situation.
PAY has not gone out and bought 8 origin stars like NEWCASTLE has or The TITANS have and then produced what the Bulldogs have on the field.
In reality considering the team on the field the Bulldogs have over achieved as it was all predicted before the start of the season the Bulldogs were the WOODEN SPOON team.
Mathematically the Bulldogs are 3 win out of the 8.
About 6 teams above only have 1 or 2 wins more then the Bulldogs.
-The dragons have 5 origin players
-The Broncos considered a top 4 team before season start.
-The sharks a team full of stars
-The knights a team being built for the last 5 years
-Titans have a team full off stars and currently last
-Penrith considered a chance for the title
-Cowboys have plenty of origin players
- raiders being built by stuart for 6 years now
-MANLY probably the quite over achievers
The point being is THE CURRENT EXPECTATIONS are contradictory to what everyone has predicted and expectations for where the Bulldogs are meant to be sitting on the ladder.
I feel the judgement of late is emotional based on passion and NOT On ACTUAL Fact and common agreement on the situation the Bulldogs are in which as mentioned above was agreed would be 2021 as when the team would be competitive.
SO SOME NOW have seem forgot that
SO SOME NOW are purely Blaming the Coach
SO SOME NOW want the COACH SACKED
PAY as a FIRST TIME Head coach has had to as a metaphor
1) Diagnose the problem
2) come up with solutions to fix the problem
3) make decision to remove the cancer
4) decide which medicine to buy to help repair the problem
5) start the hard recover process
And then BLAME HIM FOR WHAT is happening and say HE IS SHIT
Then you want a new coach and coming up with all these names because you all know best
Then that coach takes over without being part of the process and being part of that 2 years of sleepless nights and bang that coach has a full salary cap and 8 new players and want to then say after that
SEE PAY WAS SHIT
HANG ON regardless of the on field results.
PAY DESERVES THE CHANCE TO BE ALLOWED TO COACH UNTIL THE END OF 2021.
He has been here from the beginning of the heartache. LET HIM FINISH THE JOB HE HAS STARTED then judge him after it is finished.
Wake up to your self. Take off the blurred glasses and see the facts.
The JOB has only just started.
This is NOT THE FAULT OF ANY OF DEAN PAYs doings.
M.Zoabi
Adam Elliot is that you, sly dogI simply would like to make another statement which in previous threads I feel is not being understood.
In most cases I really feel that as a whole (the majority) are not taking into account that the Bulldogs team in 2019 is much less experienced on the field then they have been in the last 10 years.
It has been acknowledged from when DEAN PAY TOOK OVER that it will take atleast until the 2021 season for the TEAM to be able to have the opportunity to field a team that is potentially on paper to be consistently competitive.
If you take the fact of what players have left in the last 2 years and who have come in you then have to simply admit that the team on paper in 60 to 70 percent less experienced. Taking into consideration FORAN who is on approx 1 million a year has missed most games. Which then even tells a bigger story that the bulldogs on paper are a wooden spoon team regardless of who the coach is.
One must simply admit that the players on the field are limited in creativity, experience and ability.
As mentioned above it was ALWAYS known that the team wont have a winning team until 2021 due to a salary cap issue which was already existent before DEAN PAY took over. That is the FACT.
EVEN If you HAD THE BEST COACH in Bellamy with the same team and had to make same hard decisions to let go of all the players which PAY has let go then on the field it would be very similar situation.
PAY has not gone out and bought 8 origin stars like NEWCASTLE has or The TITANS have and then produced what the Bulldogs have on the field.
In reality considering the team on the field the Bulldogs have over achieved as it was all predicted before the start of the season the Bulldogs were the WOODEN SPOON team.
Mathematically the Bulldogs are 3 win out of the 8.
About 6 teams above only have 1 or 2 wins more then the Bulldogs.
-The dragons have 5 origin players
-The Broncos considered a top 4 team before season start.
-The sharks a team full of stars
-The knights a team being built for the last 5 years
-Titans have a team full off stars and currently last
-Penrith considered a chance for the title
-Cowboys have plenty of origin players
- raiders being built by stuart for 6 years now
-MANLY probably the quite over achievers
The point being is THE CURRENT EXPECTATIONS are contradictory to what everyone has predicted and expectations for where the Bulldogs are meant to be sitting on the ladder.
I feel the judgement of late is emotional based on passion and NOT On ACTUAL Fact and common agreement on the situation the Bulldogs are in which as mentioned above was agreed would be 2021 as when the team would be competitive.
SO SOME NOW have seem forgot that
SO SOME NOW are purely Blaming the Coach
SO SOME NOW want the COACH SACKED
PAY as a FIRST TIME Head coach has had to as a metaphor
1) Diagnose the problem
2) come up with solutions to fix the problem
3) make decision to remove the cancer
4) decide which medicine to buy to help repair the problem
5) start the hard recover process
And then BLAME HIM FOR WHAT is happening and say HE IS SHIT
Then you want a new coach and coming up with all these names because you all know best
Then that coach takes over without being part of the process and being part of that 2 years of sleepless nights and bang that coach has a full salary cap and 8 new players and want to then say after that
SEE PAY WAS SHIT
HANG ON regardless of the on field results.
PAY DESERVES THE CHANCE TO BE ALLOWED TO COACH UNTIL THE END OF 2021.
He has been here from the beginning of the heartache. LET HIM FINISH THE JOB HE HAS STARTED then judge him after it is finished.
Wake up to your self. Take off the blurred glasses and see the facts.
The JOB has only just started.
This is NOT THE FAULT OF ANY OF DEAN PAYs doings.
M.Zoabi
Nope, KIA's 3 Year (not a short time) contract was up at the end of this year, the NRMA wanted out (the NRL screwed them) and the Donkeys have guaranteed FTA TV coverage. Seems like a sensible business decision on KIA's behalf to me, nothing more, nothing less. KIA have done the right thing by us, giving plenty of notice for us to seek out a replacement for next season.Rumour has it KIA is gone.
Apparently even to the extent they're willing to change the colour of their logo for their new team from the red we're stuck with.
Who's replacing them, Durkah Durkah yeeros in Belmore?
Small time sponsors are good, yet marquee sponsors don't appear to be sticking around.
Jaycar left after years, KIA is supposedly leaving after a short time, Canterbury/CCC who are a perfect match as clothing sponsors didn't even stay!
Does above not at least suggest to you, that there's issues within the club?
Many times we have discussed this and try as hard as I can I can't see any negative effects from extending the coaching term for the extra year. Especially when that year is the last of the Cap fiasco, leaving any new coach (when we find one) the freedom to recruit. I see no downside in extending, however we signed DWZ for next year as well (it had to be a factor) and if that is the only upside them I'm all for it.Next time give me a TLDR/summary... I don't have time to read all that shit.
I'll be as straight to the point as possible.
No other board would have extended an unproven coach for another year, when he was on a losing streak.
Pay isn't the answer, and the more time rolls on nor is the current board either.
NRMA were pissed ever since Youi became a major NRL partner. I believe that's also why AAMI pulled sponsorship. Youi are major competition to both, and also feature heavily on ads during games.Nope, KIA's 3 Year (not a short time) contract was up at the end of this year, the NRMA wanted out (the NRL screwed them) and the Donkeys have guaranteed FTA TV coverage. Seems like a sensible business decision on KIA's behalf to me, nothing more, nothing less. KIA have done the right thing by us, giving plenty of notice for us to seek out a replacement for next season.
Go Dogs
Yep, overall a pretty big stuff up by the NRL. They definitely need help in understanding how to handle competition amongst their sponsors.NRMA were pissed ever since Youi became a major NRL partner. I believe that's also why AAMI pulled sponsorship. Youi are major competition to both, and also feature heavily on ads during games.
Youi on refs jerseys and sponsoring Magic Round too.
Or stop all together lol..!!FMD, how many of these threads are you going to make. Just keep adding to your original one.
The best suggestionOr stop all together lol..!!
All i read was bla bla blaI simply would like to make another statement which in previous threads I feel is not being understood.
In most cases I really feel that as a whole (the majority) are not taking into account that the Bulldogs team in 2019 is much less experienced on the field then they have been in the last 10 years.
It has been acknowledged from when DEAN PAY TOOK OVER that it will take atleast until the 2021 season for the TEAM to be able to have the opportunity to field a team that is potentially on paper to be consistently competitive.
If you take the fact of what players have left in the last 2 years and who have come in you then have to simply admit that the team on paper in 60 to 70 percent less experienced. Taking into consideration FORAN who is on approx 1 million a year has missed most games. Which then even tells a bigger story that the bulldogs on paper are a wooden spoon team regardless of who the coach is.
One must simply admit that the players on the field are limited in creativity, experience and ability.
As mentioned above it was ALWAYS known that the team wont have a winning team until 2021 due to a salary cap issue which was already existent before DEAN PAY took over. That is the FACT.
EVEN If you HAD THE BEST COACH in Bellamy with the same team and had to make same hard decisions to let go of all the players which PAY has let go then on the field it would be very similar situation.
PAY has not gone out and bought 8 origin stars like NEWCASTLE has or The TITANS have and then produced what the Bulldogs have on the field.
In reality considering the team on the field the Bulldogs have over achieved as it was all predicted before the start of the season the Bulldogs were the WOODEN SPOON team.
Mathematically the Bulldogs are 3 win out of the 8.
About 6 teams above only have 1 or 2 wins more then the Bulldogs.
-The dragons have 5 origin players
-The Broncos considered a top 4 team before season start.
-The sharks a team full of stars
-The knights a team being built for the last 5 years
-Titans have a team full off stars and currently last
-Penrith considered a chance for the title
-Cowboys have plenty of origin players
- raiders being built by stuart for 6 years now
-MANLY probably the quite over achievers
The point being is THE CURRENT EXPECTATIONS are contradictory to what everyone has predicted and expectations for where the Bulldogs are meant to be sitting on the ladder.
I feel the judgement of late is emotional based on passion and NOT On ACTUAL Fact and common agreement on the situation the Bulldogs are in which as mentioned above was agreed would be 2021 as when the team would be competitive.
SO SOME NOW have seem forgot that
SO SOME NOW are purely Blaming the Coach
SO SOME NOW want the COACH SACKED
PAY as a FIRST TIME Head coach has had to as a metaphor
1) Diagnose the problem
2) come up with solutions to fix the problem
3) make decision to remove the cancer
4) decide which medicine to buy to help repair the problem
5) start the hard recover process
And then BLAME HIM FOR WHAT is happening and say HE IS SHIT
Then you want a new coach and coming up with all these names because you all know best
Then that coach takes over without being part of the process and being part of that 2 years of sleepless nights and bang that coach has a full salary cap and 8 new players and want to then say after that
SEE PAY WAS SHIT
HANG ON regardless of the on field results.
PAY DESERVES THE CHANCE TO BE ALLOWED TO COACH UNTIL THE END OF 2021.
He has been here from the beginning of the heartache. LET HIM FINISH THE JOB HE HAS STARTED then judge him after it is finished.
Wake up to your self. Take off the blurred glasses and see the facts.
The JOB has only just started.
This is NOT THE FAULT OF ANY OF DEAN PAYs doings.
M.Zoabi
Elliott was outstanding on the weekend and looks like he’s getting back to the form he has shown he is capable of. Adam Idiot my arse. Rhys Martin is a lazy player and defender. Renouf has untapped potential but is far from a seasoned first grader. Ogden is a completely different player to Elliott.Anyone who has favourites like Adam Idiot or Chris Smith and chooses them over players like CHN, Rhys Martin, Renouf To'omaga, Ofa Ogden, is not a coach we need.
100%..!! Well said, and to think I copped the flack I did for being against pay lol.. at least your looking at it as it is .. black and white !! Only way. No sugar coating that shit.Cant believe people still cant see that we could be doing much better.
The only thing appalling is how fans can sit there and make the same bullshit salary cap excuses, hand pay the keys its all ok cause the club and the papers said we wont do any good till 2021.
Absolute morons.
Its got nothing to do with pay ! Now reading that shit from fans is fucking appalling.
Wake up. Hes fucking gone thank god, and sooner the better.