Annesley Warns Bulldogs To Cut Out Go-Slow Tactics

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Except the stats backup that it is different, do they not?
Don't read stats! Storm are happy for a fast game if they are winning, when they are behind the 8 ball they intentionally slow everything down, wrestle and sap the momentum out of the opposing team and the refs do nothing. Remember they invented it!
 

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well after the penalty in the first set I’m glad they took the piss the rest of the game with the ruck
 

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Souths gave as good as they got and they used other types of questionable tactics that have not been put under the spotlight but are also a blight on the game. They need to learn that the markers must be square at all times ( in particular Cook) and that gang tacklers need to ALL release at once as the rule states, rather than peeling off one at a time . Walking off the mark is another one that they break with monotonous regularity. Handling the marker after the play the ball is also an issue as is the predilection of Sam Burgess to have a sly working over of the tackler with little niggly forearms.

Bennett always throws out a reason for his sides poor performance and always the reason is that they have not performed poorly, rather that the other side has been naughty and broken the rules to slow down his precious side. Play the ball averages were less than .5 of a second overall on average slower for Souths according to the NRL stats for the game.Actually .43 of a second different.

https://www.nrl.com/draw/nrl-premiership/2019/round-6/bulldogs-v-rabbitohs/

They had 56% possession having the ball in play for 6 minutes 44 seconds longer than us.Every single stat bar a few favoured them ( Tackles, bombs, kick defusal, missed tackles, errors, ineffective tackles, penalties)

The NRL issued the edict that referees were to officiate to the flow of the game after the penalty- thon of last year. Now Bennett has a hissy fit and it should all change again.

The NRL needs to address the main protagonist of the wrestle and the slow down and that is Melbourne.

A quick check of stats relating to Play the ball/ ruck indiscretions for Melbourne for the first six rounds with penalties awarded against as follows:

Leg pull: 2
Slow peel :7
Ball strip: 3
Working on the ground: 1
Grapple :2
Flop: 1
Hold down: 1
Crowding:1
Inside 10: 1

Interestingly they were NOT penalised for any such infringements ( bar one inside 10)when they played the Dogs. Looking at things they have been done for reinforces a comment I made on the Kennel relating to them breaking just about every rule in the book for the PTB/ruck in every game yet where is their warning?
 
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Interested to see the stats when Storm beat us...I swear I counted 5 seconds on 4 different occasions (Storm sleeping in the ruck)
NO penalties relating to play the ball situations bar one inside 10 (BROMWICH)
Holding back (SMITH)
Obstruction ( FINUCANE)
Other ( MUNSTER)
 

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Souths gave as good as they got and they used other types of questionable tactics that have not been put under the spotlight but are also a blight on the game. They need to learn that the markers must be square at all times ( in particular Cook) and that gang tacklers need to ALL release at once as the rule states, rather than peeling off one at a time . Walking off the mark is another one that they break with monotonous regularity. Handling the marker after the play the ball is also an issue as is the predilection of Sam Burgess to have a sly working over of the tackler with little niggly forearms.

Bennett always throws out a reason for his sides poor performance and always the reason is that they have not performed poorly, rather that the other side has been naughty and broken the rules to slow down his precious side. Play the ball averages were less than .5 of a second overall on average slower for Souths according to the NRL stats for the game.Actually .43 of a second different.

https://www.nrl.com/draw/nrl-premiership/2019/round-6/bulldogs-v-rabbitohs/

They had 56% possession having the ball in play for 6 minutes 44 seconds longer than us.Every single stat bar a few ( Tackles, bombs, kick defusal, missed tackles, errors, ineffective tackles, penalties)

The NRL issued the edict that referees were to officiate to the flow of the game after the penalty- thon of last year. Now Bennett has a hissy fit and it should all change again.

The NRL needs to address the main protagonist of the wrestle and the slow down and that is Melbourne.

A quick check of stats relating to Play the ball/ ruck indiscretions for Melbourne for the first six rounds with penalties awarded against as follows:

Leg pull: 2
Slow peel :7
Ball strip: 3
Working on the ground: 1
Grapple :2
Flop: 1
Hold down: 1
Crowding:1
Inside 10: 1

Interestingly they were NOT penalised for any such infringements when they played the Dogs. Looking at things they have been done for reinforces a comment I made on the Kennel relating to them breaking just about every rule in the book for the PTB/ruck in every game yet where is their warning?
Yeah well done for putting into writing what my mind was thinking lol
 

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Don't agree, we should've had players binned. We were having a bloody picnic in the ruck and I made these comments during the game, it's practically a miracle that we got away with so much.
Great tactics by pay. Otherwise with the team we have it would have been 40+ to Souths.
 

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Annesley the pig should shut his mouth . And should stop having a threesome with burgess and Bennett . A bunch of scums .
 

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Should be up to the discretion of the referee in the circumstances, not a sudden clamp down.
There was only one extra penalty we could of got pinged for.
 

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At the end of the day it's the ref's issue not the Dogs. They are the ones officiating and according to them they didn't do it. Drop the ref's then? They blow a penalty early in the game to set the standard and maintain it from there, that's the way it always happened. Not wait for some old fossil to whinge about something (even though he won) and then go dig out the stats to support said coach? WTF is with that? Do your job on gameday ref you f*wits!
 

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Well if they want to target the bulldogs make sure it’s a rule to the other teams.
 

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Annesley produced statistics at his weekly media briefing that showed a whopping 38 per cent of play-the-balls by Rabbitohs players had been in excess of four seconds – a figure which supported Souths coach Wayne Bennett’s accusation that the Bulldogs had set out to interfere in the ruck.
The Rabbitohs were playing slow to draw penalties after the dogs started wrestling. This makes this statistic bunk shit.
 

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Didn’t even read the whole article lol, but what I do know is that it’s Not going to change the likes of storm etc for the wrestle ... we are seen to do it An BOOM let’s make it a big topic lol.

That will do me!!
 

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Didn’t even read the whole article lol, but what I do know is that it’s Not going to change the likes of storm etc for the wrestle ... we are seen to do it An BOOM let’s make it a big topic lol.

That will do me!!
Yeah know what you mean. After years of this same old BS it's really quite obvious and plain shite. Wish we had a leader who would bite back at these idiots instead of the fans always having to do the fighting for the club. I'm not anti our admin but fuk it's getting boring being stood on all the time by the Games so called leaders! Would uncle Nick allow all this negative stuff about his club?
 

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Don’t care which team does it. It’s shit football to watch and it’s boring as hell. Nrl need to completely abolish wrestling all together and get back to just playing great footy.

If it’s to difficult for teams to get inside 10m after quick play the balls then maybe have a rethink and bring back the 5m defence line.
 

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Jesus christ!! You lot have to take off the blue and white goggles. As Nab said, we were having an orgy in the ruck. Did you watch the Melbourne game? It was a very entertaining free flowing game. They were wrestling but not having a fucking picnic like us. They have mastered the art, we were taking the fucking piss. All the experts have come out and criticised the dogs slowing down the ruck against the bunnies. We should have been binned 10 times. But nooooooo, the refs are cheating ***** blah blah blah. Every team every fucking week are rorted by the ref's. Fuck them.
 

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I find it hard to believe that all season we are the only team that has excessively exceeded the average play the ball time.. it's completely unreasonable to single us out in this manner and the club really needs to respond with a strong statement.. coaches cannot criticise referees but it's ok for the referees boss to criticise teams??

Are dominant tackles and surrender tackles factored into their stats?
 

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Jesus christ!! You lot have to take off the blue and white goggles. As Nab said, we were having an orgy in the ruck. Did you watch the Melbourne game? It was a very entertaining free flowing game. They were wrestling but not having a fucking picnic like us. They have mastered the art, we were taking the fucking piss. All the experts have come out and criticised the dogs slowing down the ruck against the bunnies. We should have been binned 10 times. But nooooooo, the refs are cheating ***** blah blah blah. Every team every fucking week are rorted by the ref's. Fuck them.
Pretty much everyone has agreed we did it. We just noted that plenty of other teams are not getting the same microscope for various things. If the Ref's didn't police it on the day which is their fukin job then what good is it coming out with all this shite afterwards? Blow a penalty in the game, set the standard, maintain it and bin if necessary.....how hard is that? It's a ref's fuk up not ours? We were playing a superior team and we tried to slow it down, they allowed it.......ref's fault!

P.S It's the exact tactic that the Storm did second half and got away with against us when we were on top. Slowed down the ruck, took our momentum!
 

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NRL head of football Graham Annesley has put the spotlight on Canterbury’s spoiling tactics in last Friday’s 14-6 loss to South Sydney and warned that teams attempting to slow play-the-balls risk heavy penalty counts against them.

Annesley produced statistics at his weekly media briefing that showed a whopping 38 per cent of play-the-balls by Rabbitohs players had been in excess of four seconds – a figure which supported Souths coach Wayne Bennett’s accusation that the Bulldogs had set out to interfere in the ruck.

Rejecting suggestions the negative tactics had started creeping into games across the Telstra Premiership, Annesley said the Canterbury-Souths clash was the only game in which play-the-ball speeds had not been at an acceptable level and it was only one team which consistently infringed.

In contrast to the statistics for the Rabbitohs, just 24 per cent of play-the-balls by Bulldogs players had been beyond four seconds.

This is comparable with the 26 per cent average for matches so far this season, which is between last year’s average of 24 per cent of play-the-balls taking longer than four seconds and 27 per cent in 2017.

Match officials consider anything higher than 30 per cent to be an unacceptable level.

As a result, referee Henry Perenara was forced to award 20 penalties in the match and Annesley laid the blame for the stop-start nature of the game on the players and coaches.

Annesley said he wanted referees to stay out of matches as much as possible and had encouraged them to minimise their involvement, but also insisted they would referee what was in front of them.

“The extent to which the referees can stay out of the game will largely depend on the approach that the coaches and players take into each game,” he said.

“We have seen some games with less than 10 penalties and we have seen other games where they are up around the 20 mark.

“The referees have got a responsibility to judge each game on its merits and to adopt the approach that is required for that game.

"The referees know that is their responsibility and they know that if clubs are going to try and get an unfair advantage by the approach they take to a game then they have to be prepared to suffer the consequences.”

The 12-8 penalty count to Souths coincided with a spike in penalties, with 113 awarded across the eight matches last weekend compared to 86 the week before and 88 in Round 4.

The previous highest numbers of penalties for a round this season was 103 in Round 2.

"If that is because coaches and players are starting to feel that they can push the envelope and they can get away with it, this again demonstrates that they won’t be permitted to do that. The referees will judge that game by game,” Annesley said.

“We want to give the game back to the fans, we don’t want the referees involved in the games but the players and the coaches have to help us with that. If they are not prepared to do that we will see penalty counts continue to rise but we have to judge that on each game.

“It’s the players and the tactics that dictate that so we are not going to let anyone off the hook with this.

“We are not going to have a rule-of-the-week, we are not going to have a clamp down … but for clubs that go out with a plan to slow the game down, to be all over the opposition … they have to take responsibility for the consequences of that because we are not going to.”

Annesley said he had no plans to speak to Canterbury coach Dean Pay or any other coaches about the impact of go-slow tactics but they needed to be aware of the consequences.

“If they think they can get an advantage by interfering in the play-the-balls and slowing games down, they roll the dice on that,” he said.

“I am not going to be accountable when they come whinging about being penalised because if you do the crime, you do the time, basically.

“The job of a coach is to win football games and they will take tactics into a game that they think will help them win … but I don’t want the blame to be put back on to referees or the administration for decisions that are solely in the hands of the players and the coaches.

"If they try to breach the rules to an unacceptable level to win games then they run the risk that they are going to be disadvantaged by the outcome of penalty counts.”

Two massive issues with this.

1. What are the tacklers to do when attacker’s keep pushing off the mark. The slow ball is a result of this cheating by the attacker
2. By issuing this statement in public, every referee will now over-referee us with a preconceived idea that is how we play. It’s bad enough that we lose penalty counts week after week, but it feels like it’s about to get a whole lot worse
 

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Kicking a dog whilst its down! The one thing that's upsetting me at the moment with our club, and it's been like this for a while, is we keep bending over to the NRL, when is someone going to start standing up to them, honestly we've become soft like marshmallows....
 
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