I can't believe it's over, the Board voted for it to last,
But now it's the end of September and the time for Des is past.
Most of the Doggies fans are rejoicing..it's the end of the evil dictator they cry,
The coach who changed it all..and saw the Dogs attack shrivel up and die.
So how did all this happen..cause it wasn't always so,
There was a time at Belmore when he was greeted, with a warm and fuzzy glow.
Heck he took the Blue and Whites to a Grand Final, in the first year he was there,
He revolutionised their forward play, he was a breath of fresh air.
But the seeds to his demise were probably sewn in that first Grand Final,
That coaching master from down south completely out coached his rival.
He set up a game plan that stopped the Dally M winner in his tracks,
All Dessie did was look on, and did nothing to alter his team's attacks.
This would be a recurring dream, a nightmare is probably more like it,
No matter what was happening out on the field, Hasler had a game plan and he stuck by it.
To the press he'd talk about all the completion rates and present all the stats,
But in the end it only made sense, to the people in tinfoil hats.
And then he got rid of him, Ennis, the heart and soul of the team,
A guy who had led the boys and who wanted to stay it seems.
He went on to take a premiership, with the boys from the Shire,
His skill in attack was reignited, the man was literally on fire.
To replace him Des recruited a young Sharkies Hooker with a reputation so high,
But in the three years he was in the Kennel he delivered nothing but a sigh.
A funny thing happened though, right at the end,
The boy turned it around and started to run again.
And this is why the fans were rejoicing at the news they'd seen Hasler's back,
They wanted a coach who changed his plans and not just work the stat.
The players he had were good enough to earn a premiership ring,
He just didn't wanna to change his plans, not one single thing.
So who will be the new coach..is a question all the fans will ask,
Who will take up the challenge, who's willing to take on the task.
Whoever it is must surely know when they listen to the fans roar,
It's time to start again and bring back the 'Dogs of War'!
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- Thread: An Ode to Des
- Thread: Time for Dib to Go
A Chairman has every right to make a call and Mr Dib did that.
Dib is living in the past quoting results 3 years plus out of date, now is now.
Against the rumblings of many people. Ex player icons wanting a coach change, eruptions on the kennel.
Dib has cornered himself by backing Hasler and by doing it prematurely he has poured petrol on an already un-supportable fire.
We are boring, predictable and blunt in attack. We cannot hide that the players are not enthusiastic or passionate. We've been slipping since 2014.
IF we were winning - boring is forgiven. Warren Ryan's Bulldogs could be boring. We bashed and ground teams into the dirt. We bombed in goal until it was stupefying. But we won - and won - and won.
We are not winning and the last time we made the top 4 was 2012.
It is said Des likes stats. When was the last time a non-top 4 side won the comp?
There's a stat.
Mr Dib is rattling on about 'we make the top 8 under Des'. Wrong stat Mr Dib.
Wrong stats, wrong goal and wrong coach.
There is now a culture of non-accountability at the Bulldogs. That makes it worse to tolerate as a supporter.
No-one ever gets dropped. No matter how many games we lose, the same players play the same structures.
And the coach gets a two year extension.
Mr Dib - You made your call. The results are yours and yours alone.
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- Thread: Ennis Hammers Des
"I was disappointed that they thought I couldn't have success there," Ennis says. "That lit the fire … I could've stayed there and been that worker making 50 tackles a week but that was never the player I was. I was always an attacker from dummy half. I'd lost that enjoyment out of my game where I could exploit defences out of dummy half. I didn't realise I had lost it.
"Here, I go into games now excited, not just thinking about where I have to get the ball to. I look to attack. It wasn't about proving Canterbury wrong – it was about proving myself right."
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Took until round 17 to get back to back wins and you blokes are yapping off, fucking lol. Pay isn't NRL level, simple as that. If you want to fall into the exact same trap as last season then go ahead and keep praising him. You blokes have fucking small club mentality.
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- Thread: Happy to Let Hoppa walk early?
Thats a big call. Have you watched every game of football across all grades and competitions in every state or country in 125 years you bell end!
Im not saying hes the answer going forward but fuck me that statement is rubbish.
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- Thread: Dogs of war!
'Shifty' Sherwin returns to Bulldogs to mentor halves
July 17, 2019 — 5.27pm
Sherwin, the club’s last premiership-winning halfback, has been overseeing sessions with the current halves whenever the team trains on Mondays. The man dubbed "Shifty" is keen to advance in the coaching caper and has begun the journey by sharing his experiences with the likes of Kieran Foran, Lachlan Lewis, Brandon Wakeham and Jack Cogger.
The relationship has been beneficial for both parties. Sherwin gets a look at how coach Dean Pay and his assistants run their sessions, while the young playmakers get to learn from the man at the helm of the Bulldogs’ 2004 triumph.
Brent Sherwin is back at the Bulldogs.CREDIT:SMH
“I’m really enjoying it,” Sherwin said. “I love footy, I did it for a long time and if I can pass anything on to the kids, hopefully they can run with it.
“I spoke to Dean last year and said ‘if you want me to do some kicking or whatever you want me to do, give me a ring’. And he did.
“Whenever they train on Mondays I get down there and do some kicking. I look and watch, I like listening to the coaches because I want to one day coach.
“I watch the halves run around and it’s mainly just doing some kicking at the end, doing some different kicks so when they are in different situations they can pull it out of the bag because they have had some practice with it.
“They’re going good and are keen to learn. They’re training well, it’s only enjoyable going down each Monday.”
Injuries to Foran and Lewis have provided opportunities for youngsters Cogger and Wakeham to impress. Cogger is now getting some serious game time after shifting from Newcastle, while the Bulldogs have enjoyed two wins in a row since Wakeham made his debut.
“They are younger and they are easy (to teach), they are keen to rip in and learn,” Sherwin said.
“They are good footy players and they’ll get better the more games they play. That’s how everyone gets their shot, when someone is injured. When Ricky Stuart got suspended, that’s when I got my start.
“It’s exciting at the moment, it’s a very young side and hopefully they will get better each week.”
Wakeham has shown some early promising signs. The 20-year-old was a standout for Fiji in the recent Test win over Lebanon and was rewarded with his NRL debut against Cronulla. The local junior backed up that victory with another last week against Newcastle and will be aiming to begin his career with three straight when Canterbury face Brisbane at Suncorp Stadium on Thursday.
“He’s pretty relaxed and that’s what you need in tough situations,” Sherwin said.
“He’s pretty level headed, he held the ball up perfectly for Corey (Harawira-Naera) on the weekend. He’s got a nice pass and a nice kick. He’s not a bad little footy player and I’m sure we’ll see a lot more of him.”
Another Bulldogs legend, Darryl Halligan, has also returned to the fold to work with the club’s goalkickers.
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UNABLE to sign a marquee player for the next two to three seasons due to their salary cap debacle, Canterbury will embark on a worldwide hunt for the most promising juniors playing rugby league and rugby union.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs will pursue youngsters across Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, France, Samoa, England and Fiji.
Bulldogs director and football club committee member Chris Anderson said of the club’s salary cap horrors: “We have inherited a mess.”
Kids will be told there is an opportunity at one of the world’s most famous rugby league clubs. Anderson even joked he was searching in Russia.
“We are looking everywhere mate, anywhere where kids play rugby or rugby league. We want to say to these kids that there is opportunity at Canterbury,” Anderson said.
“We need to cast our net as wide as we can and try and come up with the best kids in the positions we need. There is opportunity for kids, who in two to three years want to be first graders.
“It is opportunity in a family and once we get you here, we will invite you into what the family is all about; try and get you to have that feel about the club and really love what the club is about.
“Really, we don’t want to be a club that is buying marquee players, maybe one a year when you get your cap where you want it, to keep it rolling over, and then you fill in the rest with development kids.
“We’d like to produce our own marquee players.
“I did this with ‘Bullfrog’ (legendary Bulldogs secretary Peter Moore) in the ‘70s and I am annoying the shit out of people now, chasing blokes and asking a thousand questions.
“We can build our culture around these kids. If you get established stars, it’s hard to build a culture but with kids, you can build them into your culture. By the time they are in first grade, they love the club.
“We have gone and got the best kids before – we got Dean Pay as a kid, Jason Smith as a kid. Craig Polla-Mounter, Jason Hetherington, they were kids we got from school and we developed them. That’s the type of club that we are.
“The great thing is this is a club that can give kids opportunities. Other clubs like the Broncos, it’s hard for kids to get a shot because they have so many established stars.”
Canterbury this week let Aaron Woods join Cronulla, a week after Moses Mbye left for Wests Tigers.
Their departures mean Canterbury will now target kids and possibly middle-tier players.
“We can’t go chasing established stars at the moment. When I took over (as coach in 1990), we only had six or seven players left so we decided to go and chase kids,” Anderson said.
“We are getting back to the roots of what Canterbury is about and has been. We are a development club that for the last six or seven years has forgotten about development. There is a bit of a void there.
“We need to get back to being a development club; kids on the edge of first grade who are coming through.
“The club is out there busily chasing kids and building up our stock of good kids – there are plenty of good kids out there. We just need to make sure we get out there and get our share. It will be a couple of years before we are looking at marquee players.”
Canterbury has well-documented salary cap issues with Anderson saying they are simply top-heavy in certain positions. He also claimed his club was realistically hoping to finish in the top eight next season.
“Obviously we have salary cap problems – we have inherited a mess,” Anderson said. “We have eased some it by getting rid of Moses Mbye and Aaron Woods – as much as you don’t want to let good players go.
“The fact we had nowhere to move on the salary cap made it necessary for us to move blokes who can be moved on, unfortunately.
“We just had too much money spent in areas positionally that weren’t being productive for us so we couldn’t spend it in the right areas. We’ve got a lot of money tied up in certain positions that are making it hard for us to build an overall team.
“I think next year if we can get it right, we will be towards the bottom of the eight – that’s a realistic thing to aim for next year, if things fall how we want them to fall.
“We’re back in the market now to an extent. Not big-time but back in the market to try and fix up a few areas where we need to fix up.”
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- Thread: Most of You are SPITTING on PAY
Most of you wanted Hasler gone...
Most of you were happy with appointment of Pay.
Now after a few BAD results are calling for a new coach.
What seems to me is no matter what and no matter who the coach is you will never be happy.
One must consider he is in his first appointment with a difficult task ahead of him. He needs at least 18 month to try an change the culture, roster and playing style. This is a realistic time frame. Before the season and now you say
1. MORRIS TWINS NEED TO RETIRE
2. ELLIOT IS RESERVE GRADER
3. TALAU AND FUALO ARE RESERVE GRADERS.
4. TOLMAN IS SHIT
5. WOODS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SIGNED
6. JOSH JACKSON OUT OF FORM
7. MONTOYA AND HOPPA OUT OF FORM
8. LIECHA IS SHIT (OVER LAST 3 SEASONS)
9. WE NEED A 5/8 TO PARTNER FORAN
10. OUR BENCH IS WORST IN NRL
11. DES RUINED OUR JUNIOR SYSTEM
12. BOARD ROOM FIGHTING
13. EASTWOOD OVER PAID
14. DES BACK ENDED DEALS (SALARY CAP A MESS)
I CAN NAME MORE.
NO COACH WITH ABOVE WILL BE ABLE TO FIX ABOVE.
Yet you are all blaming our new coach. HE NEEDS TIME he has had 5 matches. He will experiment, he will try things, he will change team around, let him do his thing. Judge him middle of next year that would be a fair time to see if he can coach.
LOOK AT KEARNY. EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WILL BE FIRST TO GET SACK.
We need to support our team. Not continually put our NEW COACH DOWN after 5 minutes expecting miracles.
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Michael Lichaa to Rejoin the Pack!
The Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs have today announced the re-signing of hooker Michael Lichaa, for a further two years.
Head Coach, Dean Pay was delighted that the club had been able to retain Lichaa: "Having worked with Michael at junior representative level, I know what a talented footballer he is. We are extremely pleased that we have been able to extend Michael's time here at Belmore and I'm looking forward to seeing him back with the club. He will be an important part of our forward strength next year."
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The following thread is purely my reasons and mine only to cancel my membership effective immediately. I speak for myself and not to influence anyone who chooses any differently. I respect every ones decision on how they will go about their choices in the future regarding their Bulldogs club membership. We are all entitled to express our opinions.
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That is very unfortunate. Is there any particular reason for this?
You are on the automatic rollover but we will take you off.
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Thanks for your confirmation in cancelling our memberships.
Sure i am happy to explain my reasons for cancelling them.
As far as entertainment on the playing field goes we never got our value for money. For
what the season tickets cost us, the quality, the style and the lack of understanding
for change when required during the season provided a very, very boring product. It
felt like we were watching the same thing week in week out.
I will also share my frustrations when deals are done with a player saying when they
will and when they won't play, so how do you expect members to support the club and
team throughout the year when a player is not prepared to do so? This club use to stand
for Club first, team second and player third. Us members have been taken for a ride
where you took our money but did not provide the full product when injuries took no
part. Simply a player did not want to play for personal reasons and good luck to him.
That's not what i paid for as i thought prior to renewing our memberships in late 2015
that all contracted players will play if 100% fit (excluding suspensions) in 2016.
That's a slap in the face to us as a consumer.
In future, your CEO, Board Members and Coach should not disrespect their members and
fans by expecting us to turn up in the cold, the rain and at times very tight schedules
and in particular when most people are struggling to save a dollar but put it towards
supporting the club and team when a contracted player is not prepared to do so and when
a coach was not prepared to change the product he was providing when it clearly was not
working. We'd had enough!
Also, there were 22,000 people at last weekends finals game against Penrith. That's
less than 10,000 Bulldogs members (as not all would have been members). Where were your
other 10,000+ members? Now lets not use the venue Allianz Stadium as an excuse. The
sooner your CEO, Directors and Coach realise that members and fans are turning away due
to the above reasons the quicker we will start seeing the entertainment we pay for on
the field that we have been known for and want to watch win, lose or draw. Then and
only then you may see members and fans returning. But unfortunately we will not be in
I appreciate for your time in hearing my reasons.
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- Thread: Who is leaving?
- Thread: Why the Dogs?
Sometimes we all get a little bit lost in all of the debate on this page and forget that we're all Bulldog supporters and ultimately we all want one thing. To get back to the winning and glory days of the mighty Blue & White!
It's clear from looking at everyone's comments that we're all passionate supporters, and I honestly think that Bulldog fans are the best in Australia as we've literally gone through more than any other fanbase. Whether it be the Super League years, salary cap scandals, off the field incidents etc. etc. we've always had it tough. But we've stuck with the club through it all.
Personally my family grew up in Greenacre so there wasn't a choice really with who to choose. Dogs or nothing. But those early years at Belmore. Getting into the sheds after the game. Meeting players. Lamb's farewell cricket game. Those backs-against-the-wall finals wins. Watching the '95 final at the ground. Everything about the Dogs made me fall in love with them, and I'm sure you all share the same story.
We all want what's best for the club. Let's just try to be patient with it all as good things are on the horizon. If they're not I'll join in the chorus of complaints but until then I'm going to remember why I fell in love with this club and smile that I'm finally starting to get that feeling back from the club ... slowly )
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- Thread: Kennel whipping boys....
Everyone has an opinion on players in here but haven’t some of the whipping boys in the team really stood up in the last few weeks. Meaney, Tolman, Elliott , JMK, Napa and even C Smith have been fantastic. I love the fact that a few of them have left me with egg on my face and let’s hope they can start doing it consistently.
I had doubts and was critical of Jacko’s leadership but he has shut me up after last night and the last few games.
Let’s hope it continues.
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Yes i am not happy with the way the bulldogs have perfomed in the first 2 weeks.
As a fan i am angry and dissatisfied with what i have seen.
WE ARE BLAMING DEAN PAY and I have as well. But after DEEP THINKING and taking away my emotions i realised that we have lost most of our experienced players in last 12 to 18 months due to salary cap clean up which we all knew wont be sorted until 2020-2021
We have a coach who has only reserve graders to pick a team for first grade and around 3 to 4 other players that might be considered 1st graders and would make any other first grade team.
I have read a lot today that DEAN PAY IS THIS AND THAT. BUT REALLY HOW IS THIS BECAUSE OF DEAN PAY. Get BELLAMY, BENETT AND MAGUIRE to ALL BE COACHES OF THIS BULLDOGS TEAM working together and they will not make this team play any better.. yes 3 of them coaching this team fulltime.
We know we have a bad roster.. we know have the least experienced team and we have a coach who HAS TO EXPERIMENT with this team until he gets the best players he has to play in whatever position.
He his rebuilding what HASLER BROKE and this takes time. He has brought in some young players that were available that MIGHT have potential and he has to give them experience.
He has made changes that were required and he will continue until he gets it right to the best of his ability WITH WHAT players ARE available.
YES WE ARE NOT HAPPY but lets be realistic. Lets be honest and instead of being emotional and negative. WE AS SUPPORTERS NEED TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND POSTIVE IN HOW WE THINK BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN.
ITS A GAME A FOOTY AND REALLY WIN LOSE OR DRAW IT DOES NOT CHANGE MY LIFE.
SO STOP BLAMING DEAN PAY. HE IS TRYING. HE IS A HUMAN BEING. HE HAS NOT GOT QUALITY PLAYERS AND THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT. AND I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND AND I WILL REPEAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT.
So stop being KEYBOARD WARRIORS AND TRY AND MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER BY BLAMING DEAN PAY.
HE IS NOT THE ONE THAT SPENT 1.2 MIL ON FORAN.
HE is not the one that STUFFED up the salary CAP.
Unfortunately for him he has to rebuild a team from scratch.
NOT LIKE WAYNE BENNETT WHO HAS TAKEN OVER AN ALREADY MADE SOUTHS TEAM WHO ARE ALREADY A TEAM THAT CAN WIN THE COMP.
OKAY LOOK AT ARTHUR at PARRA they have stuck with him for years even after they got the spoon a few times. Now Wowww they WON 2 games and ready to DO a contract extension.
STUART AT RAIDERS SHOULD HAVE WON A TITLE BY NOW.
BROWN AT KNIGHTS WAS SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHAT PAY IS IN NOW.
PAUL GREEN WON A GF - MADE A GF and with the same team LAST YEAR ALMOST Got the SPOON.
ROBINSON A FEW YEARS BACK had the roosters near the bottom with a premiership winning team.
So stop SOOKING and CRYING AND BLAMING DEAN PAY AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER.
INSTEAD BE EXCITED AT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS COMING IN AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. BE POSITIVE AND BE REALISTIC. LET THEM LEARN AND WATCH THEM DEVELOP. LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE SUPPORTERS THAT GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE NOT SUPPORTERS THAT ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT THEM.
WE CAN UNEARTH SOME FUTURE STARS AND IN A YEAR OR 2 CAN BUY SOME QUALITY PLAYERS THAT WILL MOULD THE TEAM INTO A THREAT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE MY TEAM GROW AND BE COMPETITIVE AND PLAY WITH A BULLDOG SPIRIT RATHER THEN BUY A TEAM AND WIN A COMP WITH PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT REAL BULLDOGS.
I AM ACTUALLY HAPPY TO WATCH THIS TEAM GROW AND LEARN AND TRY HARD AND LET PAY EXPERIMENT AND TRY AND WORK OUR WHAT IS THE BEST COMBINATIONS HE CAN DEVELOP AND LET THEM HAVE SOME FUN.
I CAN FINALLY ACCEPT THIS REALITY AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT. NO COACH CAN DO ANY BETTER.
AND IF YOU WATCHED THE FIRST 25MIN OF THE PARRA GAME. We actually played some good footy.. we just need to hold the ball and learn to defend better as they get fitter. We will improve in the next 4 weeks and I am confident we will make the 8.
And if NOT then so what. At least i have hope and thats enough to keep me excited to watch our next game and so on
If this was a top 4 team and we played like that then bloody oath i will blame the coach
WE ARE A TEAM OF ROOKIES AND THEY ARE STILL MY TEAM.
I LOVE MY BULLDOGS NO MATTER WHAT.
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE COME TO THE HONEST REALIZATION WITH MY EMOTIONS CLEAR OF ANY FEELINGS THAT THE TRUTH IS
THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT
YES THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HONEST TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH
SO STOP PICKING ON PAY AND STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES AND BE REALISTIC AND HONEST IN THE FACTS.
SOOKS, FAR OUT FOR THE LAST YEAR WE KNEW THIS REBUILD WAS HAPPENING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL..
THIS IS NOT A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS.
THIS IS A TEAM OF ROOKIES. THAT WILL BECOME A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS
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