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I will preface this to say i hate the salary cap. Always have.

With the talk this week. Of Cooper Cronk even being a remote chance to sign with the Roosters.
It makes the Salary Cap is an absolute joke. TPA’s essentially mean there is no salary cap.

They are not going to get rid of the cap. But the one sure way to ensure it’s fairer.
Is to have an open and transparent salary cap. At the NRL level.

Introduce a trade window for starters. From say the week after the GF to the 31st Dec.
No contracts outside of this time. (Without special approval.)

Every formal contract offer for any player. Also gets submitted to the NRL.
The highest genuine CAP offer becomes the players Salary Cap Value.
Whichever club the player decides to sign with,
needs to have that much space in their cap allocated against that player.
Regardless of what they have agreed with contracts including with TPA’s.

TPA’s become another thing all together. Each player has their own market CAP value.

This would do a similar thing that a draft does.
Except it’s the clubs that would be forced to make the choice.
The brown paper bag can still be used. It would become used alot less though.
 

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The problem with the NRL is that clubs like the roosters just build the desired players parents a new water view in bronte as part of the deal.

Same thing applies to the other nrl owned clubs such as the storm and broncos.

A few years back when the broncos didn’t make the 8 every commentator was banging on about how bad it was for the game... I’m sorry it’s bad that another club instead of the broncos get a shot at the title? Isn’t that the point of the cap?
 

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It really is a poorly run sport
 

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The problem with the NRL is that clubs like the roosters just build the desired players parents a new water view in bronte as part of the deal.

Same thing applies to the other nrl owned clubs such as the storm and broncos.

A few years back when the broncos didn’t make the 8 every commentator was banging on about how bad it was for the game... I’m sorry it’s bad that another club instead of the broncos get a shot at the title? Isn’t that the point of the cap?
From the NRL's point of view, it makes more money to have Brisbane & Melbourne being successful so they allow them special dispensation on things that other clubs don't get partly because they are 1 team 1 town clubs. It's just like the AFL & the Sydney teams. Sport is corrupted by administrations these days.
 

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From the NRL's point of view, it makes more money to have Brisbane & Melbourne being successful so they allow them special dispensation on things that other clubs don't get partly because they are 1 team 1 town clubs. It's just like the AFL & the Sydney teams. Sport is corrupted by administrations these days.
This is why we need to have the 90’s Mentality drummed up into our players brains, “you want to win the comp, you have to play for each other and you’re going to be playing against teams that are rorting the cap! Now go out and smash them!!!” #ISIT2018YET
 

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Sport is corrupted by administrations these days.
That's my point. Having a transparent player valuation on every player being signed.
(From a cap point of view) Will actually see a Salary Cap work like it is meant to.
Players being forced to spread themselves around the competition if they want the big dollars.

If the Roosters or Bronco's e.g want to sign a superstar they still can. With TPA's still allowed they can pay what they want.
They won't however get away with paying a $1m + player $500k on the cap. Because another club has offered $1m on their Cap.
This becomes the players Cap value regardless of who they choose to sign with.
From Administration/Clubs/Player Managers/Players. It makes everything very transparent and hard to rort.

At the same time benefits should be given to clubs that have developed the player.
Say 5+ years from the juniors into First Grade. 20% discount.
If a player has played 10 years with a club they should be at 50% of their cap value. For the remainder of their days at that club.
 

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Just having a look at the Rorters list and they still have 800k to spare?

2018 Gains: James Tedesco (Wests Tigers, 2021)
2018 Losses: Paul Carter (released), Kane Evans (Parramatta Eels), Aidan Guerra (Newcastle Knights), Shaun Kenny-Dowall (Newcastle Knights), Liam Knight (Canberra Raiders), Connor Watson (Newcastle Knights)
Re-Signed: Mitch Cornish (2018), Blake Ferguson (2018), Michael Gordon(2018), Ryan Matterson (2019), Dylan Napa (2019), Mitchell Pearce (2019), Victor Radley (2019), Chris Smith (2018), Daniel Tupou (2021), Sitili Tupouniua (2019)
Off Contract 2017: Brenden Santi, Johnny Tuivasa-Sheck

Guerra has been on the nose for a while at the club, SKD and Carter serial idiots, Watson and Knight on next to nothing.

Keary, Mitchell, Pearce, Cordner, Friend, Manu, Napa, Nikorima, Taukeiaho, Warea Hargreaves
 

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That's my point. Having a transparent player valuation on every player being signed.
(From a cap point of view) Will actually see a Salary Cap work like it is meant to.
Players being forced to spread themselves around the competition if they want the big dollars.

If the Roosters or Bronco's e.g want to sign a superstar they still can. With TPA's still allowed they can pay what they want.
They won't however get away with paying a $1m + player $500k on the cap. Because another club has offered $1m on their Cap.
This becomes the players Cap value regardless of who they choose to sign with.
From Administration/Clubs/Player Managers/Players. It makes everything very transparent and hard to rort.

At the same time benefits should be given to clubs that have developed the player.
Say 5+ years from the juniors into First Grade. 20% discount.
If a player has played 10 years with a club they should be at 50% of their cap value. For the remainder of their days at that club.
Like the idea, also hate the cap and hate the dodgy policing applied to certain clubs, but a club with no chance of signing a player would simply submit a high offer to push up the notional value to inhibit the successful club from having additional cap space to sign other players.

In saying that all ideas have some good points but can be corrupted or mismanaged. I liked the player points system but at end of day dodgy point valuations applied could still be applied by the NRL.
 

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That's my point. Having a transparent player valuation on every player being signed.
(From a cap point of view) Will actually see a Salary Cap work like it is meant to.
Players being forced to spread themselves around the competition if they want the big dollars.

If the Roosters or Bronco's e.g want to sign a superstar they still can. With TPA's still allowed they can pay what they want.
They won't however get away with paying a $1m + player $500k on the cap. Because another club has offered $1m on their Cap.
This becomes the players Cap value regardless of who they choose to sign with.
From Administration/Clubs/Player Managers/Players. It makes everything very transparent and hard to rort.

At the same time benefits should be given to clubs that have developed the player.
Say 5+ years from the juniors into First Grade. 20% discount.
If a player has played 10 years with a club they should be at 50% of their cap value. For the remainder of their days at that club.
I think they tried creating a points system problem is its subjective
 

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NRL salary cap is the worst in the business.
Nobody has confidence it is being adhered to by all clubs.

I think everything should be in the open.
All players salaries.
But at the very least clubs should be made to publish what the team earns (i.e. cap & TPAs).

I have said it until blue in the face.
But I think MLB luxury tax system is the best and their full disclosure rules and life bans for sny player or offical betting on the sport in any capacity.
Also helps they have a commissioner.
 

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That's my point. Having a transparent player valuation on every player being signed.
(From a cap point of view) Will actually see a Salary Cap work like it is meant to.
Players being forced to spread themselves around the competition if they want the big dollars.

If the Roosters or Bronco's e.g want to sign a superstar they still can. With TPA's still allowed they can pay what they want.
They won't however get away with paying a $1m + player $500k on the cap. Because another club has offered $1m on their Cap.
This becomes the players Cap value regardless of who they choose to sign with.
From Administration/Clubs/Player Managers/Players. It makes everything very transparent and hard to rort.

At the same time benefits should be given to clubs that have developed the player.
Say 5+ years from the juniors into First Grade. 20% discount.
If a player has played 10 years with a club they should be at 50% of their cap value. For the remainder of their days at that club.
I don't like knowing everybody's salaries, I think they deserve some privacy there although don't they do it over in the US with NFL?

I prefer a points system which cannot be corrupted but it would take a few years notice to set up to ensure everybody gets under.

A suggested points system could go something like this:

- 5 points for first grade experience, junior Aust, NZ or Eng player + an additional 5 points for

every 50 NRL games.

- 2 points for every City or Country representation (if you do not play this form of

representative football you would lose one point after 12 months and the other point if you

do not represent in two consecutive years.

- 10 points for every State of Origin game or international game outside NZ, Aust & Eng

- 20 points for every international game (for NZ, Aust & Eng)

Now if you haven't played a SOO game for 12 months you get a 20% discount, 2 years 40% etc & so after 5 years of not playing SOO these points would no longer count towards the cap. The same would apply to test level.

You could include discounts for local juniors & long serving players.

If you start with this then discuss with other input you will get something fair which is NOT what we have now.
 

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The problem with the NRL is that clubs like the roosters just build the desired players parents a new water view in bronte as part of the deal.

Same thing applies to the other nrl owned clubs such as the storm and broncos.

A few years back when the broncos didn’t make the 8 every commentator was banging on about how bad it was for the game... I’m sorry it’s bad that another club instead of the broncos get a shot at the title? Isn’t that the point of the cap?
Neither the Roosters, Broncos or Storm are NRL owned. They just have very good TPAs in place , the Storm & Broncos are 1 town teams so have no real competition in obtaining corporate support. The Roosters have many affluent supporters alla Politis Bouris, Gyngell etc.
right now it’s our image (CEO sacking, coach sacking, perceived salary cap problems)within NRL circles that puts us behind the big3 when it comes to attracting stars & gun young prospects
 

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Like the idea, also hate the cap and hate the dodgy policing applied to certain clubs, but a club with no chance of signing a player would simply submit a high offer to push up the notional value to inhibit the successful club from having additional cap space to sign other players.
The club with no chance of signing the player. Offer must be a serious offer.

And yes that is exactly what it does. It removes the cap space from the (as you call it)successful club. If they want to sign the player on that amount. It restricts clubs from loading up on rep players. They need to be more selective in their roster management.

Other than that the player needs to go to the club that will pay that amount. The Salary Cap would work like it is meant to. Spreading the talent.
 

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Easiest system is the NBA system. You have a soft cap, bird years, hard cap then luxury tax. Pretty much saying you can exceed the cap. But you'll pay for doing so.

At the end of the day it won't be in the teams best interest to go 1-2 million over the cap (which would give you an on-field advantage over cap compliant teams). If you do go 2 mill over you'll end up paying min 6 mill in tax fines. And in sure even politis wouldn't sit on the roosters if they lose 6 million a year.

If a club can't sustain over spending then they lose their license and get relocated (like so many NBA teams of the past).

History has shown teams that have gone over the cap under 100k haven't achieved anything special. You need 2-3 extra marquee players to actually have an on field advantage which equates to atleast 2 million over. If a team or owner wants to make a dream team then so be it. Smash him with luxury tax. At the end of the day every nrl Team should be sold off. There is no point for the league to own teams it make no sense at all.
 

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This is why we need to have the 90’s Mentality drummed up into our players brains, “you want to win the comp, you have to play for each other and you’re going to be playing against teams that are rorting the cap! Now go out and smash them!!!” #ISIT2018YET

Yeah right that is when the players say fkuk this I want to be playing for that club getting paid those dollars
 

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I think the cap should be raised to about $15m.
Within that clubs can choose to make it up however they like. So clubs like Newcastle might choose to source $10m of 3rd party deals and use $5m of the NRL grant.
The most important part is transperancy. All contract’s TOTAL value, has to be publicly declared.
Greater flexability, greater transparency, and players will get payed more.
 

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I think the cap should be raised to about $15m.
Within that clubs can choose to make it up however they like. So clubs like Newcastle might choose to source $10m of 3rd party deals and use $5m of the NRL grant.
The most important part is transperancy. All contract’s TOTAL value, has to be publicly declared.
Greater flexability, greater transparency, and players will get payed more.
Like this a lot but while there is still a cap element people will still try to rort it and not disclose everything.
That's why points or a notional value per player needs to be set by the NRL, plus a set squad size, so there can be no doubt as to the cap/points limit being exceeded.

Think the point about a club saving it's grant money through TPAs is also important.
 

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That's my point. Having a transparent player valuation on every player being signed.
(From a cap point of view) Will actually see a Salary Cap work like it is meant to.
Players being forced to spread themselves around the competition if they want the big dollars.

If the Roosters or Bronco's e.g want to sign a superstar they still can. With TPA's still allowed they can pay what they want.
They won't however get away with paying a $1m + player $500k on the cap. Because another club has offered $1m on their Cap.
This becomes the players Cap value regardless of who they choose to sign with.
From Administration/Clubs/Player Managers/Players. It makes everything very transparent and hard to rort.

At the same time benefits should be given to clubs that have developed the player.
Say 5+ years from the juniors into First Grade. 20% discount.
If a player has played 10 years with a club they should be at 50% of their cap value. For the remainder of their days at that club.
Half the things you are talking about the NRL has done for years. That's why Folau couldn't play for the Eels. They wanted to pay him a lot less than the NRL valued him at and they refused to register him. Discounting juniors is a double edged sword. Brisbane have most of Qld as juniors while the Chooks have a couple of bowlegged latte sippers to draw from. We have our own problems with a heavy ethnic component. So teams like the Qlders, Penrith, Parra, Warriors, Raiders and Tigers get thousands of juniors to pick from and we get only a hundred or so. How does that even things out? Everyone gets excited about the TPA's but the fact is that every club can achieve the same result, they just have to have a team that is appealing to those who might sponsor their players. So if the players, club and fans are rubbish they can't attract the right sort of sponsors. It has nothing to do with local areas. Its about a national reach and bang for buck these days.
 

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From the NRL's point of view, it makes more money to have Brisbane & Melbourne being successful so they allow them special dispensation on things that other clubs don't get partly because they are 1 team 1 town clubs. It's just like the AFL & the Sydney teams. Sport is corrupted by administrations these days.
Brisbane and storm have a broader sponsorship reach due to being the only team in town. Storm is an interesting one as they do need to compete with the afl teams for sponsorship so being successful naturally helps

As for the roosters the alarm bells should be ringing for the Nrl. Whilst the club isn’t allowed to directly arrange TPA’s this is easily sidestepped given how large uncle nicks business empire is not to mention his business connections. In short he can use this at his disposal to pretty much land any player he wants.
 
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