Well defensively for the first half of the season we were in the top 2 or 3 if I recollect and that was even with the blowout we had early on. Sure the intensity fell off at the back end when all the contract stuff was happening but if international players tell you that they hate playing us then sorry, I'll take their word for it. It's not about whether they fear us in terms of winning, it's about how they wake up the next day and despite some of the problems we had, Klemm, Jammer, Eastwood, JJ, Lichaa and even a couple of the young forwards hit pretty hard. Even lardarse Kas in his first 5 min spell put a bit of effort in.