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hahah I love this guy. I love it when someone asked him what he thought of people who called him defeated. And he replied with what car do they drive? What girls do they have living in his house? hahahaha

If you can't link the issues together, that is your problem. Anyway, I am done here. Enjoy the rest of the debate champ.

Cheers lad. I made my point. Laterz

The issue is simple. You need credibility to launch these type of attacks and be actually sincere about it. Abbott lost his credibility on the issue a long time ago.

I can recall Abbott flip flopping on any issue prior the election. He had about 10 stands on the parental scheme lol. He had about 50 stances on the ETS, only to bring an ETS that cost alot more then Labor. And his company tax hike would have been passed onto consumers. And even in 2009, he said...

She may or may not. But Abbott is having a spaz attack over something he never had a consistent position on. So a guy who can't hold a consistent line, and he himself lied and knew about the lie - is trying to claim the moral high ground? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Gillard never made a comment like, then launched an attack on him for the same thing. See the difference? Abbott flip, flopped, somersaulted on the ETS, carbon issue so many times. You first need consistency to be credible. He is far from consistent on this issue, and therefore has no...

Thanks for the compliment, now get back to the issue - Abbott's spaz attack is about as a credible as CIA intelligence on Iraq's WMD - i.e ZIP. Abbott lacks the credibility to launch his attacks. It is bit like a present criminal telling someone that committing a crime is an offence. That is...

That, and then on top of that an ETS policy that cost 3x Labor's ETS. First he supported the ETS, then didn't. Then came up with one that cost triple. First he supported something similiar to a carbon tax then did not. First he said climate change is crap, then real, then crap, then real...

Turnbull still has credibility - and is still on the side of the ETS despite not being the leader and despite still being a member of the Liberal Party. He even mocked Abbott's "people revolution" today. ---------------

His own ETS policy would have costed triple Labor's ETS! His own company tax policy, by his own admission, would hurt business. He supported a similar policy to the carbon tax in 2009. He supported even the Labor-Liberal ETS until some mining heavies tapped him on the shoulder then became...

The difference firstly, is that before Abbott starts to think he is Jesus saving the country - let him look at his record - first on his ETS flip flopping as I outlined, then on his own electoral promise. To calim the moral high ground - you first need credibility. He lacks plenty of it...

oh and one thing before he starts calling Julia Gillard a liar, let us remind Abbott of this moment in September 2004: Fullerton: Will this Government commit to keeping Medicare-plus-safety-net as it is now in place after the election? Tony Abbott: Yes Fullerton: That's a cast-iron...

It is not about being "leftists", it is about someone trying to claim the moral ground when he himself is the epitome of hypocrisy. The guy has flipped and flopped so many times, everyone has lost count. He is a political opportunists, and follows the public trend from day to day with no policy...

He was asked 29 times whether he would sell of the power or not, and he couldn't answer yes or no http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W-IXo-Vz4g

Seems where DogKat has some connection, always dramas First the QLD floods, now NZ. DogKat, just roll over and kill yourself and spare others their lives! lol

The US backs a dictator even up until the last few weeks. Then when the people revolt against the dictator, the US save face and ride the wave. Utter hypocrisy.

Don't you love it, how for 18 days, the Feb14 partners didn't open their mouth in support of the people of Egypt. Until their ally Husni Moubarak finally fell, they came out in support of the revolution. What cowards.

The worst thing Egyptians can do is to replace him with someone equivalent. If the rumors are true, and Omar Suleiman will be President - then Egyptians have completely wasted their time and should go home.

The issue is not so much what he said. If he explained it corretly, it would have been all water under the birdge. He said "sht happens". The journalist asked Abbott to clarify what he meant by it. Journalists always take spin on events, however it is incumbent on a potential leader to act...

Do you see her in silence for 30seconds in anger? In the end, she can answer a simple question. Abbott can't. End of story. Unfit to lead. You're questioning the journo? LOL, he is a politician FFS! The media should be his domain to conquer!! At end of the day, a journo asked a question, as a...

A politician should be able to withstand pressure moments. Abbott capitulated. It's not the first time either. He openly admitted, that without a script he is lost and stands for nothing. So the PM shouldn't answer any questions from a journo or the people. They should just receive emails...

Liberals received temporary support in the last election. And the media largely kept Abbott out of the fire. But in the long term, Abbott will kill the party politically. Keep him there for some time, and he will self-destruct and take the party down with him. Sooner or later, the Liberals will...

Tony Abbott can't attend the funeral due to jetlag from Canberra to WA.

The guy is a raging ****w!t, and slowly he is being exposed as such. Great PM. Stands there in fury when asked a simple question. Funny how when he went back to the Office, he was able to word it perfectly. This guy can not handle the pressure. He is only good with scripted words - he even said...

Caretaker Telecoms Minister Charbel Nahhas on Saturday said a U.S. ship was the cause of internet jamming in Lebanon. "The problem, however, is due to a coordination error related to waves," Nahhas told OTV, adding that an investigation was underway to find out whether this act is "intentional...

lol I love the latest leaks...... 1) Rafik Hariri was paying the Syrians to stay in power 2) RH was the "Syrian Foreign Minister" and was the "Saudi man in Lebanon" lol 3) RH broke his shoulder on a boat (the Syrians didn't break his hand)

Never understood how dirty water can clean a window? Oxymoron?

IOU's

They can't sack him because they will have to pay him out. So far, it is still an allegation until proven guilty. This is the only and best option Management could have taken. Unless they come to a mutual agreement.

Jumblatt said he lied to the Syrians for 26 years....... so which Jumblatt do we have today? The one lying to accuse or abdicate Syria lol

Saad is a false witness himself. Did you not listen to the leaks of Houssam Houssam and Mohammed Siddiq? He was never interested in reaching the truth. He was using the Tribunal to tighten his political grip, playing on sectarian emotions when needed etc etc. They were using the STL to achieve...

The STL was passed by an unconstitutional cabinet, and the decree was neither signed by the President, nor approved by the parliament. Secondly, the STL changed the rules only recently to try suspects in absentia (60 days from indictment). The US is pushing the STL to the max and manipulating...

He is a "moderate" and a "beacon of democracy" :) In other words, nod and agree with the US, and they can turn a shmuck into an angel :)

You're fixated in an hypothetical. While we have given you statements and facts for the last 2 pages.

Let them ask. Cheers. The Resistance is a Lebanese choice. It is supported by the majority of Shia, Christians, now Druze, and about 30% of the Sunni. Oh the Sunni is a bit more now, considering Mikati and Safadi (who control Tripoli) have sided with the Opposition. Add to it the Leb President...

Read these: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb05242007.html

The Lebanese President (former head of the Army) and the current Head of the Army does not want HA disarmed. Point is?

The government does not want the Resistance disarmed. Go and give me a ministerial statement that called for the Resistance to be disarmed? I don't mean MP's statements 2005, 2008 and 2009 governments legalised the Resistance weapons. And the President himself and the head of the national army...

The government has legalised the resistance arms many times. And until a national defense strategy is worked up, and until the army is capable of defending the border with efficiency, then why would the resistance offer Lebanon it's head?

HA refused to not stir up Shia/Sunni divisions. It did not want to be seen as taking sides in what Sunnis see as their "Palestinian brothers". Afterall, Fatah el Islam was created by the Welch club themselves. read up about it. Secondly, Aoun provided the cover for the Opposition by insisting...

Is the Lebanese government willing in assisting the Lebanese army?

November 2006: "Iran is ready to supply modern anti-aircraft arms to Lebanon," said Iranian ambassador Mohammad Reza Sheibani after talks with Lebanon's army chief Michel Sleiman in Beirut late on Saturday. May 2009: Iran is ready to give Lebanon military equipment, such as an air-defense...

Siniora withheld LL 300bn in funds for the Council of the South (from donor states) after the July War. Why do you suppose he did that for? Where did the money go?

Iran offered former PM Siniora weapons for the Army. Siniora declined. Iran offered the Army again in 2009. Hariri refused. And again in 2010. The US, France or any "Western country" doesn't want to provide the army with any useful weapons. They only provide them with meaningless weapons...

Hariri is burning the country for the chair.

It wasn't that bad. I don't know if it even was intentional. He was running in to kick the ball at an angle. He just missed the ball. Not like he went into to karate chop him. The way the other guy flipped made the tackle look worse.

LOL Hariri has been caught out again. Details of the Saudi-Syrian agreement clauses, shows that Hariri was willing to trade the Tribunal to remain in power. So much for his "Justice over Power" speech he made last week lol :) He came out in reply and said that he never signed off on it, and...

What proposal do you suggest? The Opposition has suggested resorting to State institutions and the judicial council as per the government decree in 2005. What other avenue do you suggest? Should false witnesses be allowed to fabricate testimonies and have 4 people under arrest for 4 years...

Aoun was either for unifying arms behind the Army, or disbanding them. Aoun asked Geagea to unify behind with the Army, Geagea chose to fight the army. Aoun offered Geagea unprecedent ministerial portfolios in his cabient, Geagea decided to call him and reject the offer. Geagea gad plans for...

Firstly, the crimes are proven. The ceasefire did not cover assassinations and crimes against political figures. A Lebanese court found him guilty. You can dispute it all you want. Like I said to you, let Geagea reopen the file and have conviction quashed. His minister handles the justice file...

Do you not remember Fatah el Islam that fought the Army for days on end and claimed the lives of over 100 army men? If the Army doesn't even have the ability to forcefully confront a group like this, then you want it to match the might of Israel?? So which is it, the Army is underarmed or their...

A niff nuff with majority Christian support, 5 ministers in government, and 27 ministers in the Parliament. Do not forget, the government could not have fallen without Aoun - he has the "capability" to make "big" decisions unlike some others

It's not about "me" wanting it, it is about achieving real justice. How can you achieve justice, when the investigation has lost it's credibility? On the Lebanese internal scene, why would anyone who has nothing to hide be fearful of such an investigation? Those who are afraid of it (i.e. runnig...

You failed to answer anything related to the government and to false witnesses. Why did you run away after pages and pages, and then return to comment on something not even related lol. After time and time declaring he has no weapons, Geagea publicly said he could wipe Aoun in Christian areas...

What next, a thread about what socks to wear?

There are armed groups. Read the redirection by Seymour Hersh Read about the links with Fatah el Islam Read about Hariri's Aunty and Jund el Sham Read about SecurePlus and read about even Walid Jumblatt's video about May 2008 Not only that, we all know how heavily armed Samir Geagea is. He...

Hariri, being the son of the murdered PM, you would think would want to know the truth about those who misled the investigation with false testimonies and have them brought to trial? Yet he continually refused to convene cabinet to vote to investigate the false witnesses. The Hariri - Mohammed...

1. There was no Syrian-Saudi deal. Hariri was lying when he said "a deal was done months ago". He tried to shift the blame to the Opposition. When the Opposition asked him what points exactly, he shut up and never mentioned it again. 2. Saudi Arabia and the US both want to eliminate HA. US...

The show continues to roll. Explosive new Hariri recordings.

Israel is stealing gas from reserves in Lebanese waters worth an estimated $76bn. While a draft oil bill was passed in Parliament in July of last year, the government has stalled and no actual exploration has been undertaken on the Lebanese part.

What's funny is in the CBC report, Wissam Hassan (national intelligence chief) provided a very weak alibi which "alarmed" the STL, but yet the STL didn't even pursue it. Then we found out that Wissan Hassan was signatory to the false witnesses statements. Now this. And all this supposedly...

Part of it?? The river is in Lebanese terrority! Do a little bit of google search and find the significance of the Litani river. And what about the other points?

Yeah. If there will be no investigation, let the evidences go out to the public for all to see. Hariri and Co have had enough chances to deal with it. It is little wonder why the kept evading cabinet.

HA provided some evidence, and yet the STL just continued with the HA path. HA has been relentlessly pursuing to investigate the false witnesses to expose who and why there were implanted in the STL, which will shed alot of light and hit the tribunal hard.

US does the bidding for Israel: 1. Naturalisation of Palestinians 2. Eliminiation of Resistance: be it by disarming HA, or by not properly equipping teh Army as you would already know 3. Water from Litani river 4. Land annexation (Greater Israel) 5. Gas and oil (havent you paid attention to...

1. That is a cop out. The STL has said, although conviniently, that it has no jurisdiction to investigate the false witnesses. Therefore, the onus is on the Lebanese to investigate them. In 2009, an arrest warrant has been issued against Mohammed Siddiq, who miraculously just "disappeared" while...

By the way, the title is misleading..... so to clarify: 1. Hezbollah have 5 ministers. And the largest Christian parliamentary bloc - also has 5 ministers in the government. So to say that "Hezbollah forced the government down" is false. It can not do anything without the approval of the other...

Saad Hariri, PM of Lebanon, admitted the false witnesses (6/9/10): "At some point, we made a mistake," Al-Hariri told the Saudi-owned daily Asharq Al-Awsat in remarks published on 6 September. "At one stage, we accused Syria ... That was a political accusation, and that political accusation is...

Lebanese government collapse: a history of missed opportunities Nicholas Noe The Guardian US policy is similar to that of the Bush years – apply short-term pressure and hope for a miracle. A bolder approach is needed With the collapse of Lebanon's national unity government this week, a media...

Press TV 'Justice: Main victim in Hariri tribunal' Press TV - Lebanon's unity government has collapsed after 11 ministers led by Hezbollah and its allies resigned over tensions stemming from a US-backed probe into the assassination of former Lebanese Premier Rafiq Hariri. The following is the...

Firstly, Telecommunications "evidence" is easily mainuplated. Have you not paid attention to the many Israeli spies arrested in Lebanon in Telecom companies? And the sophisticated telecommunications equipment seized? Secondly, HA has it's own private Telecom network that can't be breached...

lol. How can a tribunal be credible if it does not investigate the false witnesses that misled the investigation? The STL prosecutor admitted it, and even the PM admitted it himself. You want real justice? Investigate who implanted these false witnesses. That's what was the Opposition has been...

Waste of **** money. Anymore talking??????? Far out!! Give us more footage and less talking next time!!!

What's with those collars?? Shocking. Other than that, not bad actually.

Thanks mate. But I'm sure someone saved a few images lol. Someone PM me them ;)

They "deserve" ? Why? I don't think I have seen a team celebrate so ungracefully and arrogantly. FB statuses are still going.

Am I the only one that can't see it? It says "No Image". Can someone upload the pictures. Cheers

Get the Dragons fans a calendar. In case they haven't realised, it is now October 12. The GF was Oct 3. They can take down their stupid accessories, flags etc from their cars. Gosh, they will keep them on for another 31 years. Maybe the Premier should assist them and legislate to...

***! What you want us to help you with?? Ever been to another party with speeches? Weddings? Anything? Get some ideas from there ***! And secondly, how do the hell do we know ur sis?? Do we know her? Have we lived with her to tell you stories?? **** MAN!

.[8] It was first announced in early August through online e-magazine "Bulldogs Blue 'n' White e-mag" that he would be returning to the Bulldogs in season 2011[9] [10] --------- BAHAHAHAHAHA

LOL Dragons This is what I hear 1) Why didn't you crap on Tigers because they merged and won the title? Well, Tigers only needed ONE shot at the title. From 2000-2005, they only made the FINALS ONE TIME (2005) and pulled it off. And who can forget the 2005 Tigs vs Dragons prelim hahahaha...

I don't like the dragons any less then you do, but your figures are deceptive. A choke is when you are favourite or near favourite, and them bomb out or lose. To finish 7th in the normal comp, is not really a "choke". No expectation or pressure to win from that position. It just becomes...

The NRL for however many years refused to halt the Vodafone sponsorship of the Warriors, using the pretext that there is no Telstra in NZ and therefore does not violate any sponsorship contracts with Telstra? Now, form what you said, the two are actually inter-related? Which was obvious from...

Who bloody cares where anyone is? Hickey halfback, Kimmorley and Barba front row, Ryan wing and Morrin fullback - who cares. Does it matter in the last game? Can we build the future of a team in ONE game? This is a novelty game with ZERO significance.

Another clown. I have been a critic of Moore in the crucial games, where decisions on tactics, player selection etc were 12year oldish. Right now, I don't give a toss what he does with his experiments. It makes not a single difference in games that have no significance. That's fine with me...

LOL lucky you're not selecting the team then. You're selection criteria is about as strong as toilet paper on running sh!t

Future? *** man, this guy has been in First Grade for like 6 years, and is an international player. And yet, he still does the simple things wrong. We will never win a comp with him. That is fact. He is too erratic and inconsistent.

This what the issue was about back then, with Fittler denials: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/fittler-denies-roosters-match-fixing/story-e6frexni-1225779929193 And this is what he said recently about losing the last game...

This has a few questions: Firstly, the bet was on the Cowboys to open by 2pts. This assumes the allegation against Tandy stems from the fact that he contributed to the POSSIBILITY of this eventuating by committing "two successive errors" early in the game. Secondly, these are two teams...

This is what Greenberg said

This is where I disagree with the Bulldogs. Ayoub was right. The way the Bulldogs dealt with Matuai was a shambles. Why sit down with him, then close the door on him? Why sit down with me, then use the excuse that we only have room for one? The Bulldogs should have been honest and...

Kevin Moore Press Conference after game "We can take alot of positives out of the game. Few bad calls cost us. We still finding our rythm"

Moore needs a firecrack up his own a55

LOL @ Haztrick joining in

hahahaha so true. Split image

Ah ok. Sorry misunderstood. See instead of replying, I would have just hit the like button on your post and wouldn't have bothered with a min. 10 word limit just to "agree" without adding more to the discussion. Saves time for me, for you, and for others :)

True. The Like/Thank You button won't stop all the clowns on the forum. But i am sure a good number of members would just hit the button instead of bothering to typing a simple thing that can done with a click. So would cut a decent amount of useless posts. On the character limit. Yeah maybe...

lol. Granted :p See what a simple click can save ;)