Gay marriage plebiscite - Result YES to SSM

Should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry?

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Yeh I listened to the interview yesterday on Triple J.

This employer sounds like a fucking 12 year bitch born with a silver spoon, who use to sack daddies maids because they brought her the wrong fork at brunch.

I really couldn't give a fuck which way this vote swings, but it seems a bit hypocritical that anyone who doesn't vote yes is crucified and labelled as a homophobe.
Btw.. What the fuck does being scared of cock jockies have to do with peoples opinions on them getting married?
If your scared of being raped by a bloke, I think you'd be more inclined to vote yes so they'd be stuck at home with their whinging partner for the rest of their miserable lives and not prowling the streets looking to rape unsuspecting straight men
I don't know how this is allowed in a free western secular society. Freedom of speech not tolerated anymore when the left decides?
 

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Lol is this serious?????

Catholic schools have got the power to fire gays, divorced people, non catholics etc and THEY HAVE DONE SO IN THE PAST
You mean like this threat?



Married Sunday, fired Monday: Churches threaten to dismiss staff who wed same-sex partners

Australia's Catholic church is threatening to fire teachers, nurses and other employees who marry their same-sex partner if gay marriage is legalised, in a dramatic move led by the country's most senior Catholic.

Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, speaking exclusively to Fairfax Media, pointedly warned the church's 180,000 employees they were expected to uphold its teachings "totally", and defiance would be treated "very seriously".


"I would be very emphatic that our schools, our parishes exist to teach a Catholic view of marriage," he said. "Any words or actions which work contrary to that would be viewed very seriously.

"Our teachers, our parish employees are expected totally to uphold the Catholic faith and what we believe about marriage. People have to see in words and in example that our teaching of marriage is underlined.

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"We shouldn't be slipping on that," said Archbishop Hart, who also chairs the powerful Australian Catholic Bishops Conference. He said individual hiring and firing decisions "are best dealt with on the local scene".

Archbishop Hart was backed up by Archbishop Timothy Costelloe, chair of the Bishops Commission for Catholic Education, who cautioned teachers against "undermining" their schools' values if same-sex marriage became law.
  • Archbishop Costelloe said parents who sent their children to a Catholic school wanted them educated within a Catholic framework, of which marriage was a vital part.

    "In accepting a role in a Catholic school, staff will recognise their responsibility to conduct themselves in such a way as not to undermine the fundamental ethos of the school," he told Fairfax Media.
    • indicated he could vote "yes" in the upcoming postal survey, but wanted the church's right to discriminate maintained.

      However, Catholic Health Australia, the country's largest non-government, non-profit health group, distanced itself from those threats.

      Chief executive Suzanne Greenwood told Fairfax Media she would not expect doctors and nurses to adhere so strictly to the church's teachings, though conceded it may be different for teachers.

      "We're not converting people to Catholicism," she said. "It's not really relevant to the jobs people are performing within the care environment at a hospital or an aged care facility.

      "It's not like people are currently screened [for sexuality or marital status]. I would see absolutely no reason why that would change."

      Religious organisations have had exemptions to the Sex Discrimination Act since its inception in 1984. Human Rights Commissioner Ed Santow backed the act and said any attempt to legalise same-sex marriage would need to maintain those exemptions.

      "It's a matter for each religious organisation how far they want to take that exemption," Mr Santow said. "Most religious organisations are very careful and respectful of the diversity of our community."

      According to a 2015 paper by the Australian Catholic Council for Employment Relations, more than 180,000 Australians work for the Catholic church in some respect - about 2 per cent of the workforce.

      Bishop Michael Stead, chairman of the Anglican Diocese of Sydney's Religious Freedom Reference Group, declined to answer directly whether the Anglican Church would seek to dismiss employees.

      In a statement, he called for the maintenance of current exemptions to anti-discrimination law, and said attempts to legislate same-sex marriage in Australia so far were "manifestly deficient" in protecting civil and religious freedoms.

      "The experience in countries where marriage has been redefined has been a quick and steady erosion of freedom of speech, conscience and belief," Bishop Stead said.

      "The fact that promised safeguards for freedom of religion have quickly unravelled overseas should serve as a warning to Australians."

      The US has seen a number of high-profile cases of employees being fired after wedding a same-sex partner, and the scenario was dramatised in the 2014 Ira Sachs film Love Is Strange.

      In June, former parish music director Colin Collette lost a lawsuit against the Archdiocese of Chicago after he was fired upon becoming engaged to his male partner.

      Lyle Shelton, managing director of the Australian Christian Lobby and one of the leading public campaigners for the "no" side, also defended the power of Christian organisations to dismiss staff who married a same-sex partner.

      "Religious organisations should have the same freedoms as political parties to ensure that staff share their ethos," he said.


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You mean like this threat?



Married Sunday, fired Monday: Churches threaten to dismiss staff who wed same-sex partners

Australia's Catholic church is threatening to fire teachers, nurses and other employees who marry their same-sex partner if gay marriage is legalised, in a dramatic move led by the country's most senior Catholic.

Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, speaking exclusively to Fairfax Media, pointedly warned the church's 180,000 employees they were expected to uphold its teachings "totally", and defiance would be treated "very seriously".


"I would be very emphatic that our schools, our parishes exist to teach a Catholic view of marriage," he said. "Any words or actions which work contrary to that would be viewed very seriously.

"Our teachers, our parish employees are expected totally to uphold the Catholic faith and what we believe about marriage. People have to see in words and in example that our teaching of marriage is underlined.

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"We shouldn't be slipping on that," said Archbishop Hart, who also chairs the powerful Australian Catholic Bishops Conference. He said individual hiring and firing decisions "are best dealt with on the local scene".

Archbishop Hart was backed up by Archbishop Timothy Costelloe, chair of the Bishops Commission for Catholic Education, who cautioned teachers against "undermining" their schools' values if same-sex marriage became law.
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And it's COMPLETELY LEGAL for them to do so
 

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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/d...-schools-faces-crackdown-20160831-gr5mot.html

They hire based on who the people are, ie they discriminate when hiring

http://www.smh.com.au/national/teacher-scorned-for-chosen-lifestyle-20091003-ghbl.html


People with a different life style don't bother applying

I saw an ad for a Catholic school employment about a year ago and the conditions clearly discriminated against certain people
Sydney morning herald and the age? Am I able to apply your same remarks as you do with people sourcing daily telegraph and right wing msm? Or does that only apply to?

I also see ads that discriminate, especially when they just want aborigines, just want females etc. catholic school is a private owned entity with religious freedom.

Just like the business that fired the female worker, I guess they're discriminating people who don't agree with them? Being bigots themselves?

Also Islamic schools and Jewish schools are just as strict if not stricter on who they hire as teachers. You ever went to catholic school, or really know anything about Catholicism other than what your precious leftist msm and sources tell you about it. I.e thinking Judaism and Christianity are the same religions coz we have the same book lol.
 

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You mean like this threat?



Married Sunday, fired Monday: Churches threaten to dismiss staff who wed same-sex partners

Australia's Catholic church is threatening to fire teachers, nurses and other employees who marry their same-sex partner if gay marriage is legalised, in a dramatic move led by the country's most senior Catholic.

Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, speaking exclusively to Fairfax Media, pointedly warned the church's 180,000 employees they were expected to uphold its teachings "totally", and defiance would be treated "very seriously".


"I would be very emphatic that our schools, our parishes exist to teach a Catholic view of marriage," he said. "Any words or actions which work contrary to that would be viewed very seriously.

"Our teachers, our parish employees are expected totally to uphold the Catholic faith and what we believe about marriage. People have to see in words and in example that our teaching of marriage is underlined.

RELATED ARTICLE

"We shouldn't be slipping on that," said Archbishop Hart, who also chairs the powerful Australian Catholic Bishops Conference. He said individual hiring and firing decisions "are best dealt with on the local scene".

Archbishop Hart was backed up by Archbishop Timothy Costelloe, chair of the Bishops Commission for Catholic Education, who cautioned teachers against "undermining" their schools' values if same-sex marriage became law.
  • Archbishop Costelloe said parents who sent their children to a Catholic school wanted them educated within a Catholic framework, of which marriage was a vital part.

    "In accepting a role in a Catholic school, staff will recognise their responsibility to conduct themselves in such a way as not to undermine the fundamental ethos of the school," he told Fairfax Media.
    • indicated he could vote "yes" in the upcoming postal survey, but wanted the church's right to discriminate maintained.

      However, Catholic Health Australia, the country's largest non-government, non-profit health group, distanced itself from those threats.

      Chief executive Suzanne Greenwood told Fairfax Media she would not expect doctors and nurses to adhere so strictly to the church's teachings, though conceded it may be different for teachers.

      "We're not converting people to Catholicism," she said. "It's not really relevant to the jobs people are performing within the care environment at a hospital or an aged care facility.

      "It's not like people are currently screened [for sexuality or marital status]. I would see absolutely no reason why that would change."

      Religious organisations have had exemptions to the Sex Discrimination Act since its inception in 1984. Human Rights Commissioner Ed Santow backed the act and said any attempt to legalise same-sex marriage would need to maintain those exemptions.

      "It's a matter for each religious organisation how far they want to take that exemption," Mr Santow said. "Most religious organisations are very careful and respectful of the diversity of our community."

      According to a 2015 paper by the Australian Catholic Council for Employment Relations, more than 180,000 Australians work for the Catholic church in some respect - about 2 per cent of the workforce.

      Bishop Michael Stead, chairman of the Anglican Diocese of Sydney's Religious Freedom Reference Group, declined to answer directly whether the Anglican Church would seek to dismiss employees.

      In a statement, he called for the maintenance of current exemptions to anti-discrimination law, and said attempts to legislate same-sex marriage in Australia so far were "manifestly deficient" in protecting civil and religious freedoms.

      "The experience in countries where marriage has been redefined has been a quick and steady erosion of freedom of speech, conscience and belief," Bishop Stead said.

      "The fact that promised safeguards for freedom of religion have quickly unravelled overseas should serve as a warning to Australians."

      The US has seen a number of high-profile cases of employees being fired after wedding a same-sex partner, and the scenario was dramatised in the 2014 Ira Sachs film Love Is Strange.

      In June, former parish music director Colin Collette lost a lawsuit against the Archdiocese of Chicago after he was fired upon becoming engaged to his male partner.

      Lyle Shelton, managing director of the Australian Christian Lobby and one of the leading public campaigners for the "no" side, also defended the power of Christian organisations to dismiss staff who married a same-sex partner.

      "Religious organisations should have the same freedoms as political parties to ensure that staff share their ethos," he said.


      Michael Koziol
Lollll using a journo just as bad as bolt but from the left. Also what's wrong with a catholic arch bishop doing what he's religion tells him to do? Heard of religious freedoms? He's not sacking people from government owned companies etc. learn the difference
 

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And it's COMPLETELY LEGAL for them to do so
Just as it is for any other religious organisation, is it legal for them to go to government owned or publicly owned places and fire people or tell them what to do? No. So relax babe. If it's catholic owned they have that right to do so. If you don't like it then I'm sure you got Kleenex to wipe away dem lieftiat tears.
 

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Sydney morning herald and the age? Am I able to apply your same remarks as you do with people sourcing daily telegraph and right wing msm? Or does that only apply to?
The sydney morning herald employ andrew bolt lol
 

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Thanks for picking that up I legit thought I read school?
Regardless it's still pretty pathetic to fire someone based on their opinion? If it's a despicable action that's different, but come on bro getting fired for that opinion is fkn ridiculous.
Yeah i agree but why should religious institutions in australia have the legal right to discriminate but other business owners do not?
 

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No you hypocrite

They get funding from the state. They get my taxes and they discriminate
So do many other religiously private owned schools you pick and choosing double standard buttercup.
They're still at the end of the day, owned by their religious organisations.

Look how far you've gone off topic to ignore the issue at hand which is this business fired a female worker for having an opinion on the vote which was no.
Can you comment on that at all?

Also lol at you complaining about they get your taxes, my taxes go to far more of your government owned leftist bullshit organisations and pay for trannie surgeries/hormonal treatments (not hundred percent sure on that) but sounds about right.
 

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Yeah i agree but why should religious institutions in australia have the legal right to discriminate but other business owners do not?
Being fired for just an opinion? That's different.
The way you're looking at it means they're discriminating though, from a religious point of view which is the perspective they look at it, they're not being discriminative rather following their religious doctrines. It's religious freedom bro and religions have this in Australia and I'm sure in most of the western world.
 

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Sydney morning herald and the age? Am I able to apply your same remarks as you do with people sourcing daily telegraph and right wing msm? Or does that only apply to?

I also see ads that discriminate, especially when they just want aborigines, just want females etc. catholic school is a private owned entity with religious freedom.

Just like the business that fired the female worker, I guess they're discriminating people who don't agree with them? Being bigots themselves?

Also Islamic schools and Jewish schools are just as strict if not stricter on who they hire as teachers. You ever went to catholic school, or really know anything about Catholicism other than what your precious leftist msm and sources tell you about it. I.e thinking Judaism and Christianity are the same religions coz we have the same book lol.

the islamic school my children go to have a white aussie christian principle and most teachers are non muslims.
 

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the islamic school my children go to have a white aussie christian principle and most teachers are non muslims.
There you go. Just like my catholic school had non Catholics. But it seems due to an ad and a bias leftist article only catholic schools Instill a 'everyone must be catholic' agenda
 

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There you go. Just like my catholic school had non Catholics. But it seems due to an ad and a bias leftist article only catholic schools Instill a 'everyone must be catholic' agenda
No one said that you victim.

You're a victim, a hypocrite and you hardly understand what people post here that's why any conversation with you ends up in a shit fight

STOP BEING A VICTIM
 

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No one said that you victim.

You're a victim, a hypocrite and you hardly understand what people post here that's why any conversation with you ends up in a shit fight

STOP BEING A VICTIM

lol, I am not sure who is using whose words now.

you both come up with same come backs.

lol, stop fighting ffs i am getting bored.
 

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Being fired for just an opinion? That's different.
The way you're looking at it means they're discriminating though, from a religious point of view which is the perspective they look at it, they're not being discriminative rather following their religious doctrines. It's religious freedom bro and religions have this in Australia and I'm sure in most of the western world.
Yeah but where do you draw the line between religious beliefs and discrimination than? Why does a religious employer work under a different set of rules to say Coles or whatever?
 

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No one said that you victim.

You're a victim, a hypocrite and you hardly understand what people post here that's why any conversation with you ends up in a shit fight

STOP BEING A VICTIM
Victim? I told you ages ago stop using my lines. You are the one and organism victim here. There was no better evidence than your over the top mental break down a couple days ago about gays and their rights lol.

Again stop using my words against me, you lack originality. But I can't blame you, as you're one of those ANTIFA far left zombified type people, you're unable to think for yourself.

It always ends up in a shit fight coz you always say no you're wrong your source is a right wing extemist and then you just do the same just opposite sides lol. That is why everyone ends up in a shit fight with you. It only happens more regularly more with me coz there's a lot of lefty followers here.
 

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Yeah but where do you draw the line between religious beliefs and discrimination than? Why does a religious employer work under a different set of rules to say Coles or whatever?
As long as it's purely at the religious organisation then they're freely able to do as they please, that's not to say I'm against blatant discrimination for the sake of discriminating, but if they're following their religion in their own religious organisation and he outside may see it as discrimination then I see no issue.

Coles isn't religious that's what makes it diffferent? Lol they'll go to the cleaners if let's say they only employ white males
 
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